It's exactly for that reason that I'm surprised that Scorpion and/or Sub-Zero don't hold the title of Champion of Mortal Kombat. In some small sense, I think that can give Scorpion some credit. He's the head guy's favorite character, yet he's confined to the middle tier. Speaking of champions, where is it stated that Scorpion never defeated Onaga? I know Shujinko had a big build up for beating him but if you're going to say that Raiden said that Shujinko killed him in his Deception ending, Shujinko would be dead by now as Raiden then killed him. Judging by the fact that Shujinko finds himself in Shao Kahn's captivity and that Scorpion was cheated by the Elder Gods, I don't see how it wasn't Scorpion that won Deception...unless they released Shujinko's bio recently and I never heard of it. Would that be the case?

Referencing how it was said that Scorpion is a crybaby that gets his ass kicked all the time, not entirely true. Scorpion is a powerful warrior. His only mistake as of yet is that in Shaolin Monks, he picks a fight with Liu Kang and Kung Lao, the top two heroes in the series. The fact that they didn't simply squash him is commendable (Not that I think Shaolin Monks happened. But if one person mentions Shaolin Monks then it seems fair to counter with evidence from Shaolin Monks.). Additionally, Quan Chi has been established one of the most powerful characters. The only reason Scorpion keeps losing is because he's out of his weight class. Going back to the Oni fight he had, he almost won that fight against Moloch AND Dhramin. Oni are very powerful creatures, especially these two. For Scorpion to take them both on and come close to winning is proof that Scorpion has talent, it's just that his eyes are bigger than his stomach. Should he had taken on just one Oni, it would have been a slaughter and Scorpion would be hunting down Quan Chi seconds later. If you ask me, nobody can be blamed for losing a fight against superior numbers, not even Superman.

About Scorpion's inability to die: I rather like this. Why? Because it has founding. Scorpion sold his soul to be able to live again and hunt down his enemies. As seen in his MK1 ending, he can only truly die when he completes his mission. Additionally, the only reason Scorpion dies so much (As seen in MK1-3...) is because of this very reason. In MK1 he thought his job was done and thusly descended to the Netherrealm. In MK2, he felt he no longer had a reason to live so he left the living plane once more. In MK3, he died because the only means he had to "live" (Shao Kahn's invasion of Earthrealm opening the Netherrealm.) had disappeared. The only "death" Scorpion had that was caused by another fighter was when Quan Chi kicked him into the acid pit. Moral of the story: Scorpion is almost never forced to die. He mostly dies by his own decision. (Note: I don't really count Shaolin Monks as cannon so his death there means nothing to me.).

Now you're all saying Scorpion isn't very ninja-like. Well, according to the 5 billion posts I just read, nobody in Mortal Kombat is a ninja, not even Smoke or Noob Saibot. However, given the obscurity of the ninja's true existence, I would say that Scorpion lives up to what our society expects from ninjas. We expect them to be masked (As any assassin should be...) and to be stealthy (Again, commonplace for assassins...). Scorpion has a mask...technically, he has a mask over a mask as he has the ninja hood and then his fake face over his skull. Then, if Shaolin Monks can serve as a guide (More of a look into how these people fight and act [Excluding Scorpion, they messed him up that time.] rather than as a real storyline as Shaolin Monks was only the third game to show you the story rather than give you brief summaries of them.), then Scorpion is stealthy as seen by how he trapped the Shaolin Monks in his lair and snuck around them. Then, even if you don't want to use that as an example, every ninja has been said to be sneaky at various points in MK endings and such (Very vague but every ninja ending or bio shows some hint that they are sneaky.). As for how his costume has been mocked, I like his costume. I don't know about you but I think it looks kool (Especially his Deadly Alliance one.) and I don't see how you can relate it to the Batman costumes.

And now, for the million dollar topic, Scorpion's nobility. Now that you mention it, I do remember how before the first MK tournament he confronted Sub-Zero 1 and refused to kill him without giving him a fair chance to fight back. That to me just seems fair and maybe even a little more than he needed to do. Every MK character should at least let their foe know that their coming, not sneak up on them like the Deadly Alliance did. Outside of that though, I don't think that Scorpion owes it to anyone to go out of his way to do anything. You say how he wanted to make it up to Sub-Zero 2 for killing his brother. Why should he? As far as Scorpion could tell, Sub-Zero was his target. He didn't owe the second anything. The fact that he promised not to hurt him at all (Excluding how I think he mistook Sub-Zero 2 for Sub-Zero 1 in MK4...) is honorable enough. You're expecting Scorpion to be a super hero when the fact of the matter is, anyone who went through what Scorpion did would be killing everyone and everything in his path. Perhaps this much sought-after nobility you want to see in him is right in front of your face. Excluding his erroneous (And non-cannon if you ask me...) fight with the Shaolin Monks in....Shaolin Monks, Scorpion never starts a fight. If you were to see him on a bus, he’d only punch you if you attacked him first. Other than that, you might just pee yourself knowing that Scorpion is standing in front of you while he wouldn’t so much as look at you.

However, I will admit that even I have my problems with Scorpion. In Shaolin Monks, I was disappointed to see that Scorpion was losing his fight with Sub-Zero 2 and that he started a fight with Liu and Kung for no reason. Also, Scorpion's loss to Sub-Zero 2 in Armageddon's opening and the fact that it looks like he's siding with anyone at all disappoints me. The Scorpion I know only fights people who start with him and he keeps to himself, never joining one side or the other.

Then, just because it confuses me, I'll explain what I know to be his MK4 story. As far as I can tell, I think he mistakes Sub-Zero 2 for Sub-Zero 1 simply because he's wearing his older brother's uniform (I got that from reading Sub-Zero 2's bio in MK4. It states how he puts on the uniform his brother once wore. It's my guess that Scorpion isn't the smartest of people and mistook him due to the unpredictable nature of MK and the fact that the uniform was the same exact one.).

Finally, the Scorpoin/Quan Chi fued. I thought this was an interesting turn of events and very kool that Midway would actually end the Scorpion/Sub-Zero fued. Additionally, I don't know why everyone hates this so much. I thought it was well done. Short? Maybe. However, they gave it a justifiable ending: Quan Chi died and Scorpion had gone beyond his spector limitations. Thanks to the Elder Gods, Scorpion had more or less become a living person once more and wouldn't be limited to returning the Netherrealm...though that in itself is a problem with me because it casts Scorpion into a limbo of existence. Is he alive? Is he dead? What's going on here? Other than that though, I liked the Scorpion/Quan Chi fued and wouldn't have it turn out any other way.

Now, before everyone and their mother tries to tell me that I'm wrong, can you spare me any Armageddon spoilers please. All I know of Scorpion's story thus far is that he lost to Taven and hates the Elder Gods. I don't want to know his ending before I get to it at my own pace.

According to John Vogel, Scorpion aided Shujinko in the destruction of Onaga. But since Scorpion did NOT deal the finishing blow, that was basically half-assing the job. So, in return, the Elder Gods half-assed their end of the deal by bringing back Scorpion's fellow Ninja as undead. This pisses off Scorpion, and he wants revenge. He thinks that by destroying Taven and Daegon and causing Armageddon, he can have his revenge on the Elder Gods.



Scorpion lost, because his rage and impatience blinded him.



You misunderstand. The problem lies within Scorpion's ability to get killed, return to the Netherrealm, brush off, and escape into the living realms. Again, death needs to have meaning and consequence in MK, otherwise, it'll basically be like Dragonball Z. When Scorpion dies, it should just be his soul wandering. He should not have a physical form unless he is given one. I think that in the end of MK2, Scorpion descended into the Netherrealm simply because he had no reason to kill the Younger Sub-Zero. It's not so much that he dies by his own decision. It's just the limited time he has in the living worlds.



No, Scorpion isn't very ninja-like if you are comparing him to historical ninja. If anything, Sub-Zero is the most ninja-like of the male ninja-type characters. The stuff that society generally depicts of the ninja are simply stereotypes that give the ninja a bad image.

Scorpion wasn't exactly stealthy in MKSM. He simply used a bit of strategy to trap Liu Kang and Kung Lao.

Regarding Scorpion's costume, Chrome was referring to Scorpion's MK4/MKG/MKD alt/MKA primary costume. He compared it to the costumes used in Batman Forever and Batman & Robin, both of which were directed by Joel Schumacher. Basically, he's saying that Scorpion's costume in those games is silly in its design, just like the costumes used in the Batman movies directed by Schumacher.



Why would he go his way to vow to protect the Younger Sub-Zero? It's just his way...Well, it WAS. It's not about owing him anything. It's simply as a means of respect and honor. If the Younger Sub-Zero were just like his older brother, then I doubt Scorpion would've spared him, let alone make a vow to protect him.

NO ONE is expecting Scorpion to be a superhero. I don't know how you got that idea, but that's just way off. Why would Scorpion want to kill everyone and everything in his path? That just makes him more idiotic than he's already become.

Scorpion never starts a fight? What about in MKA's Konquest when he harassed and fought Taven?



Scorpion and Sub-Zero didn't really have much of a fight at all in MKSM. Scorpion didn't lose to Sub-Zero in Armageddon's opening. It's just that Sub-Zero, for the moment, had the upper hand. Those two fighting in the intro is just stupid and illogical, but they did that for nostalgic reasons. Not everything in MKA's intro is canon.



That's just your speculation on the matter. Scorpion's primary bio in MKDA states that he's been after Sub-Zero for many years, believing him to be the murderer of his family and clan until Quan Chi eventually revealed the truth. And since Scorpion knows that Quan Chi is the real murderer, he no longer wants to harm the Younger Sub-Zero. So basically, even before MK4, Scorpion's been thinking that the Younger Sub-Zero was the murderer.

Where does this leave the Older Sub-Zero? Well, here's where things get complicated...

In MKM: SZ, as well as being mentioned in one of Sub-Zero's MKDA Konquest missions, years ago, Quan Chi framed the Older Sub-Zero for the death of Scorpion's family and clan, which enraged the ninja specter.

So if Quan Chi framed the Older Sub-Zero and NOT the Younger Sub-Zero, why does Scorpion believe that the Younger Sub-Zero is the murderer?

Some say that Scorpion blames all of the Lin Kuei (or just both Sub-Zero brothers). Others think that in MK4, Quan Chi told Scorpion that the Younger Sub-Zero was also responsible, thus Scorpion wanting to go after him.

However, given the way Quan Chi framed the Older Sub-Zero but with Scorpion blaming Younger Sub-Zero for many years, this leads me to believe that Scorpion either doesn't know that there is a Younger Sub-Zero, or he can't tell them apart or that they are the same person. This makes Scorpion out to be even a big doofus.



It's not that the Scorpion/Quan Chi feud in itself was bad or hated. It's just that the way Scorpion's storyline was in MKDA was very flat and dull. It was also quite one-dimensional as he was simply going after Quan Chi and doing nothing else.

Scorpion becoming Champion of the Elder Gods does not mean that he became a living person. He's still a specter.



You don't know what Scorpion's ending is? Well, let me say this. It's one of the worst endings in the game.

It goes back to Scorpion valuing his own sense of honor.
Scorpion was brutally murdered in cold blood by the older Sub-Zero, despite asking for mercy. This is what pissed him off so much about that. Scorpion himself insists that he is not a murderer. However, when the fought in MK1, Scorpion proceeds to brutally murder the older Sub-Zero in cold blood, not unlike what Sub-Zero did to him. And this is after Scorpion had already been defeated by Sub-Zero twice (remember, they faced each other again in the Netherealm in Mythologies).
In murdering the older Sub-Zero, Scorpion betrayed his own principle and really, what right did he have to kill him, since he was beaten...fairly...twice? Scorpion vowed to protect the younger Sub-Zero because he felt the need to atone for betraying his own belief about "murder" and as a way of regaining some sense of his honor.
It wasn't about owing the younger Sub-Zero anything...it was his way of trying to regain the honor that he lost in murdering the older Sub-Zero in cold blood.

Once again, I liked this because it presented Scorpion as more than just a guy who mindlessly obsesses over nothing but vengeance. It showed him actually think over the consequences of his actions and respond to them.
I don't like Scorpion as Mortal Kombat's Jason Voorhees. I like Jason and all, but that's not the Scorpion I grew up with that became my favorite character.


I know that Shaolin Monks is almost entirely non-canon, but I only mention it because to me, everything that is bad and wrong about Scorpion now was proudly broadcasted throughout that game.

I don't think Scorpion "loses" or "dies" alot. He has only officially lost his physical body after his death once, and he has only officially been beaten by the combined power of Drahmin and Moloch.
Sub-Zero was beaten by Hotaru, so we have to give Scorpion more credit.

And actually, I don't think Scorpion comes back immediately after his hellspawn body is destroyed. In MK:DA, at least two months past between losing his body and coming back.



Did John Vogel say all of that, or only that Scorpion and Shujinko fought together?

And I really wouldn't call it "half-assing." "Half-assing" is taping a picture to the wall instead of putting it in a frame and hanging it, or only rinsing your hands after you whiz without using soap.
So in this case, "Half-assing" would be like Scorpion letting Shujinko do all the fighting. But knowing how dedicated Scorpion is, I know that isn't what happened.

Besides, we'll have to wait and see what did or didn't happen in MK:A. That whole scuffle between Taven and Scorpion may not even be canon.

He certainly loses a lot.

With post-retcon Scorpion, he's lost in MK2, MK3, MKDA, and MKA.

The stuff I mentioned before was stuff that John Vogel said. It was in an e-mail response, and the e-mail address itself was legit.

I would call it half-assing as he didn't destroy Onaga. He simply helped in his destruction.

MKA's Konquest is entirely canon. Vogel and the storywriters had to rectify the problems through Frost's MKU ending, Sareena's MKA bio, things like that.

I forgot to add, how many people wear blue ninja uniforms and shoot ice-blasts? And since the Elder Sub-Zero was transformed into Noob Saibot (something that we didn't even know) after his death, Scorpion probably made an honest mistake.

MK4 was a retcon anyway. MK4 was supposed to emulate MK1, since MK4 was the first MK game in 3D. So the MK team variably brought back the original 10 characters, re-ignited Scorpion & Sub-Zero's fued, and had let people technically play as "Ermac" by putting in a code to make Scorpion's costume red.



Are you talking about MK:SM? I don't consider that canon at all, since almost verything about it cantradicts previous games. Scorpion killed the elder Sub-Zero in MK1, didn't do anything in MK2, helped the Earth warriors in MK3, beat the younger Sub-Zero in MK4, "lost" to Quan Chi and later lost to Drahmin & Moloch in MK5, beat Onaga in MK6, and lost to Taven in MK:A.

No, Quan Chi "half-assed" beat Scorpion in MK5, Scorpion and Shujinko helped each other accomplish a common goal, just as Shang Tsung and Quan Chi did with Liu Kang, Raiden, and the Shoa Kahn clone.

No, the retcon that Scorpion never vowed to protect the younger Sub-Zero and may not even know it's not the same Sub-Zero who killed him.
If he always believed the younger Sub-Zero was involved with the death of his family and clan, then Scorpion was trying to kill Sub-Zero in MK2 and MK3. And since the younger Sub-Zero is still alive, Scorpion must therefore have been failing the whole time.
BTW, unless it's mentioned in Hotaru or Sub-Zero's Armageddon bios, Sub-Zero never lost to Hotaru.

Considering that in the MK2 story, Scorpion saw Sub-Zero spare the life of his opponent, I don't think it's an honest mistake. Then again, with MKSM, which I don't like to consider as canon, it's more likely that never took place or maybe it did, but Scorpion just didn't give a shit.

But Quan Chi didn't beat Scorpion down and leave him a broken man, he kicked him into acid. And I remember that Shang Tsung thought to himself in his Konquest that Quan Chi was lucky, and that he knew Scorpion's abilities and Quan Chi was no match... but let him gloat.

And are you saying the psychotically determined Scorpion sat back and didn't as much as lift a finger in order to get his clan and family returned to him??

Wait, I think I'm putting it together. I think Sub-Zero's ending comes true, I think he might be the one who defeats Blaze, becoming a god without their consent (Taven was supposed to become a god). So they send their champion to kill Sub-Zero, who's Scorpion, but Scorpion's angry at them.

But where could Scorpion's story go from there?

From Quan Chi's MK:DA Konquest:
"Although Quan Chi had blasted Scorpion with his Skull Fireball multiple times, he finally restored to his Rising Star kick, and sent Scorpion flying backward into a moat of acid that surrounded the courtyard.

A short time later, Shang Tsung emerged from a doorway to applaud his fellow sorcerer's victory. Shang Tsung had not interfered with their battle, and had remained inside his home until the kombat had ceased. Scorpion's demise in the acid bath led Shang Tsung to believe that Quan Chi had defeated Scorpion with a lucky shot.

The Special Attack that had sent Scorpion hurling into the acid bath is called the Rising Star kick. It is a pop-up attack that can also be used to dodge projectiles.

Quan Chi tried to propose an alliance with Shang Tsung, but Shang Tsung did not believe that Quan Chi was a worthy ally.

Shang Tsung believes that the Rising Star kick is indeed fast enough to hit an average warrior, but he laughs at the idea that it could defeat an aggressive opponent such as the ninja spectre, Scorpion."

Then you would practice the move a few times and then it says this:
"Shang Tsung was impressed with Quan Chi's fighting abilities and agreed to listen to his proposal for an alliance between the two sorcerers.

So Shang Tsung thought it was just a lucky shot....then Quan Chi proved him wrong.

Shang Tsung was impressed, but he never changed his position on Quan Chi's luck in the battle.
And as you read, Quan Chi couldn't do anything to stop Scorpion, so he resorted to kicking Scorpion into the acid. That was a desperation tactic.

But consider this... you're playing the game. Your opponent has but only a hair of life left, while you have almost an entire life bar. But, your opponent does the unthinkable and manages to knock you into a death trap and win. Does this mean you were inferior, or that they were lucky?

About Scorpion's costume: I got that Chrome was making fun of the traditional palette-swap one. I was merely saying that I don't see why it's being associated with the Batman and Robin costumes of which I am also aware. I think that's a kool costume and don't see anything wrong with it.

About Scorpion's honor: I think the whole reason he's mad in the first place is because he didn't want to die and Sub-Zero 1 killed him anyway. This could simply be a matter of Scorpion having been a chicken shit in his mortal life and becoming the the demented man that he is now in his afterlife. Being an assassin, I find it hard to believe that Scorpion ever had any honor and his whole vow thing seems out of place for his line of work. I got the whole superhero thing because everyone was saying how much they liked Scorpion back when he was taking Sub-Zero 2 under his wing and looking out for him yet when he decides to start looking out for himself and taking out anyone that might have wronged him, even Sub-Zero 2, you get on your high horse and start scolding him.

Scorpion not starting fights with others: In Armageddon he wasn't fighting Taven because he's Taven, he was fighting Taven because he was an instrument of the Elder Gods (Perhaps that's why he was able to beat Scorpion and all of the others before him.).

Scorpion vs Onaga: I'll believe Shujinko delievered the final blow when I see it for myself, no offense to you Sub_Zero number 7. And even if Shujinko was the lucky one, you know that the only reason he got by was because Scorpion had his back and probably did most of the work. With Scorpion's tenacity you expect him to simply stand back? No. GraveDigger knows what really went down. Chances are, Scorpion did most of the work and got knocked to the side. Then, while Onaga was catching his breath or something, Shujinko leaps in with a sucker puch or something. Whatever the specifics are, you know that Scorpion only "half-assed" his job in the eyes of the ever ass hole-being Elder Gods.

Scorpion and Sub-Zero: Given how Midway will give you a retcon at the drop of a hat, it could be very well stated that the reason Scorpion said he had been chasing Sub-Zero all this time was because they decided to change the story so that he killed #1 and thought that he somehow came back to life and thusly came back to kill him. For all we know maybe Scorpion never did really die in between assassination attempts, or at least not by Sub-Zero 2's hands alone. Afterall, Outworld was crawling with Shao Kahn's minions in MK2 and Earthrealm was utter chaos in MK3 so he might not have been able to get close enough to his target.

Scorpion's inability to die: If you're going to argue that it diminishes death to have Scorpion constantly come back to hunt again, consider this: the only reason he's even escaping the Netherrealm in the first place is because of his curse/selling his soul deal. Anyone else who goes to the Netherrealm is stuck there because they didn't turn themselves into a specter so that they would be able to leave their prison. Scorpion did. And I wouldn't say Scorpion ruined death for MK. I'd say MK ruined death for MK. Afterall, whenever anyone dies they go to the Netherrealm. From there, if they don't sell their soul like Scorpion did, they can find a portal and leave said realm. Additionally, noboy here has yet to complain about Noob Saibot even though he's the same exact thing as Scorpion: a completely different person than he was in his old life, changed in death by some trait of theirs. Granted, Scorpion chose to become a specter and Sub-Zero 1 became Noob being evil and such but you get the point. So, in a sense, nobody stays dead in Mortal Kombat except Liu Kang.

To Sub_Zero_the 7th: You would know more about martial arts and the like seeing as how you actually give a crap and don't let several years of Tae Kwon Do and Mortal Kombat serve as your only reference to fighting styles (Which, if you haven't guessed by now, I do.). But from what you said about ninjas, I think you're saying that they had some assassin traits (Though not to the extent that the world thinks of them.) and were more about self-defense than offense. If that's the case, wouldn't Smoke be the most ninja like? What I can tell about him is that he lurks in the shadows rather than confronts people and his Mi Tzu style, though not one of the Ryu styles that you said ninjas all used, seems very much like a defensive thing. Also, what's so bad about what we think of ninjas? If you ask me, ninjas are lucky to be associated with what they're associated with because what you're telling me is absolutely lame. Of course, that could be a difference in our giveacrappery about fighting styles. I'm sure you have some assumptions about wrestlers that would make my head spin in rage over.

I agree with n00b-Saibot's Scorpion+Shujinko vs. Onaga scenario.

The difference if Noob Saibot hasn't "died" again since becoming a wraith.

There's also a difference between Scorpion returning or being summoned back to the Netheream and being "killed" again. After killing the older Sub-Zero in MK1, Scorpion returned to the Netherealm. He didn't "die" again. In MK2, if you believe he refused to kill the younger Sub-Zero, then he was summoned back to the Netherealm again...however if you believe he didn't and attacked Sub-Zero, then he had to have "died" again.

Scorpion constantly "dying" and being able to return with no consequences is stupid and makes me ask myself "Why should I give a rat's ass about what happens to this character?" If Noob Saibot died again and again and kept returning like nothing happened, it would be stupid.
Death has become a revolving door in Mortal Kombat. That's fine, but there should be some kind of ramifications to character. Scorpion and anyone else for that matter constantly dying, waking up in some other realm and brushing it off like it was nothing is stupid and cheapens the storyline because why then should I care about anything that happens in the story if there are no consequences to even death itself.

And also, like I said earlier, I think Scorpion dying all the time just makes him look stupid and incompetant. Whenever I see some "vs" thread with Scorpion involved, I always see at least one or two people say "Scorpion would win because he can never die." That's not a good thing. It doesn't make Scorpion "bad ass."

You know, not too long ago, I'd have proabably agreed with you. But you combine this with Scorpion getting jumped by Drahmin & Moloch....punked out by Shujinko in Deception's Konquest...his buffoonery in MK:SM....getting tossed by Sub-Zero in Armageddon's intro...and getting his ass kicked by Taven in that Konquest.....
I know some it is non-canon and you can make all sorts of excuses for other sutff, but after a while I can't help but ask myself: is Scorpion a good fighter with some bad luck....or is a just a jackass who can't fight worth a shit?
Edit:
And BTW, also figure Quan Chi goes on to help kill Shao Kahn (clone)....defeat the Earth warriors, personally defeating Kitana....help beat Raiden....hand Shang Tsung his ass....and in Armageddon's intro he beats Kenshi.
Canon or not, who's being depicted as the inferior fighter here?

I agree that death should have consequences for even Scorpion, but I stand by that he has only died twice.

For Shujinko, fighting Scorpion was optional. It really had nothing for the story except getting his spear. As for Taven, no other character was able to beat him in Konquest, and we fought almost all of the characters, if not all of them... infact, the same goes for Shujinko.

I don't consider MK:SM to be even remotely canon.

Drahmin and Moloch are both powerful in on their own, Moloch even more so. I'm sure Scorpion coud had defeated either in single combat, but he can't beat their combined might.

Quan Chi helped kill Liu Kang, Raiden, and a Shao Kahn clone, which we can't even debate the power of. He didn't do any of that on his own, and since he didn't, he can't get credit for it. And Raiden was kicking their butts! They'd probably have been royally boned taking any of them alone.
Err... wait, when did Quan Chi beat Kitana? Anyway, Quan Chi only gets credit for beating Shang Tsung and possibly Kitana. Quan Chi even said in MK4 that Scorpion was the only one who could defeat the younger Sub-Zero, which he did.

Scorpion and Sub-Zero looked pretty even in their fight, but Sub-Zero got the upper hand for a moment. But if you think MK:A's intro has any credibility, then Sheeva was opening a major can of whup-ass on Ermac, Nightwolf, and Bo' Rai Cho. Ermac and Bo' Rai Cho are supposed to be two of the greatest warriors in Mortal Kombat.

In MK:DA's Konquest it says she was the one who ended up fighting Quan Chi while Kung Lao fought Shang Tsung.



No, at the end of Konquest Scorpion attacks you saying the Elder Gods sent him to destroy Shujinko.
The fight might not be canon because it contradicts Scorpion's bio, but it's yet another example of Scorpion being presented as a chump.



And it was after MK4 that they started turning Scorpion into a loser. Which is what I've been saying. Scorpion used to be cool. But they've since turned him into a chump.
And like I said, you can explain it all away and makes excuses, not canon, etc etc...but Scorpion is rarely despicted as the super "bad ass" that he's supposed to be.
And that's the thing. It's gotten to the point where I don't buy Scorpion as this feared bad ass warrior who can take on anyone in MK. I'm not saying he should dominate every single fight he gets into...but seriously, they make him look like a loser.

And like I said in my first post. I'm supposed to think Scorpion is this bad ass rogue who doesn't take shit from anybody and should be feared and respected. But I'm looking at what they've been doing with him in the past few games...canon or not....and I don't buy it anymore. It's not just getting his ass kicked...it's his being presented as a mindless buffoon who blindly attacks people for little to no reason. I'm tired of making excuses for him and I'm tired of hoping they'll just fix him in the next game.

And you see more people turning on Scorpion now because they're not buying it anymore either.

You and other Scorpion fans keep saying...
"But that wasn't canon."
"Scorpion was only caught off guard."
"Scorpion was outnumbered."
"Quan Chi needed help to do this."
"Scorpion did this because he was tricked."
"Scorpion only attacked that guy because..."
Hell, I used to say all that, too. But Armageddon was the last strike. Now I'm tired. I'm tired of excuses. Scorpion can get his ass kicked over and over, but it always either never counts or it's not his fault. Yawn. It's been about 15 years and he's still bitching about his family. Yawn. Someone looks at him the wrong way and he vows eternal vengeance. Yawn.

I'm done with Scorpion.

You're not calling anyone else Shujinko or Taven beat a chump. And is it that Scorpion's supposed to be a super badass, or that we expect him to be a super badass? Should we expect Scorpion to be flawless? No body cares about the flawless characters, we care about the flawed character. Ok, who's more popular? Spider-Man or Superman? One who's human, has problems and doesn't always beat the badguy; or the the one who's larger than life, has almost no problems, and always wins?

Just to further elaborate on my point about being tired of making excuses for Scorpion......

Let's look at Scorpion's qustionable antics for the past few games....

If Scorpion vowed to protect Sub-Zero in MK2, why was after him in MK4?
Quan Chi must've deceived Scorpion into believing he was involved with the massacre of his clan and family.

But if Scorpion didn't vow to protect Sub-Zero in MK2, then that means he's been after him all along. Doesn't that mean he's been losing all along, too?
They never confirmed the vow didn't happen.

Scorpion gets tossed into the acid bath by Quan Chi.
Quan Chi's a powerful sorceror and he probably caught Scorpion off guard. No big deal.

Scorpion gets jumped by Drahmin and Moloch.
Hey, it was two on one and it said they ambushed him...so he was caught off guard. He even admits in his Deception bio, he acted too hastily and led to his getting ambushed.

Scorpion is beaten by Shujinko, even after becoming Champion of the Elder Gods.
Well......that fight might not be canon because it contradicts Scorpion's bio.

Why was Scorpion helping Shang Tsung in the Shaolin Monks intro?
Well.....he wasn't serving Shang Tsung. He was after Sub-Zero.

Then why did he attacked Kung Lao in the intro?
Okay well, Scorpion must've only been helping Shang Tsung to get to Sub-Zero.

Scorpion was beaten by Sub-Zero in the MK:SM intro. He was...when Goro storms out, you can see Scorpion lying motionless on the floor.
....ummm....

Why did Scorpion attack Liu Kang and Kung Lao later on?
He probably assumed they were allies with Sub-Zero, so.....hey! Who cares, Shaolin Monks is non-canon! So it doesn't matter.

Scorpion's fight with Sub-Zero in the Armageddon intro.
Sub-Zero didn't exactly win and besides a lot of the Armageddon intro doesn't actually count.

He's out for revenge again? How does attacking Taven help? He gets his ass kicked by Taven, too. And how come....


Gravedigger, maybe the MK team hasn't exhausted you, but they've drained me. I've stuck with Scorpion through a lot...but after Armageddon I just don't care anymore. I've given Scorpion a lot of rope over the years.....and the MK team hung him with it.

I do agree that Scorpion has been crapped on the last few years, but I'm optimistic that it can only get better. I just don't think it's fair to give up on Scorpion for what writers write, it's something I've realized being the comic geek that I am.

And several things happen in MK:SM that can't be explained in any of the games, not just Scorpion's questionable activities.

About Scorpion's costume:

Basically, Scorpion's costume is very tight and spandex-like, much like the costumes in the Schumacher Batman flicks.

When it comes to his honor, you have to understand that Scorpion joined the Shirai Ryu only to provide a comfortable living for his wife and son. This kind of sets him apart from most other Shirai Ryu. The problem with Scorpion is the way he goes about handling certain things.

Taven wasn't so much so an instrument of the Elder Gods. He was just part of the quest to save the realms, which would've pleased the Elder Gods. However, Scorpion felt that stopping Taven (as well as Daegon) would be getting back at the Elder Gods.

About the battle against Onaga, it was not Scorpion who dealt the final blow. Nightwolf also had a part in Onaga's defeat by trapping his soul in the Netherrealm. I never said Scorpion just stood there and did nothing, but I think you're giving Scorpion too much credit by trying to say that he likely did most of the work. He and Shujinko weren't the only ones fighting against Onaga, you know...

For Sub-Zero and Scorpion, the stuff you mentioned in the beginning of that paragraph basically sums up Scorpion's MK2 bio. He learned that Sub-Zero was back and was taking part in Shao Kahn's Mortal Kombat tournament in Outworld. This had to have been a shock to Scorpion and he probably thought that Sub-Zero survived or returned to life. Then in his MK2 ending, it reveals that he learns that this Sub-Zero is the younger brother of the Sub-Zero he killed in Shang Tsung's tournament and that this Sub-Zero, unlike his older brother, has mercy.

As far as we know, Noob Saibot hasn't been killed yet. I would still like it if Scorpion had no body after dying.

Regarding the Ninja, there were some Ninja who were used for assassination purposes, but the Ninja were more about unconventional warfare tactics and things like that.

Smoke being most ninja-like? I don't know...Sure, I guess he can be considered stealthy, but that doesn't exactly make him ninja-like.

What did I tell you about the ninja that's lame? The problem with what the majority think of ninja is that it gives them a bad and erroneous image, namely an image of evil, black-clad, heartless, assassins who go around throwing shuriken at people's heads, using poisons, wielding short, straight-bladed swords that are made from low-quality steel, etc.

Assumptions about wrestlers? That was kind of out of the blue...And what kind of wrestlers are you referring to anyway? Sumo wrestlers? Shuai Chiao practicioners? Pehlwani practicioners? Catch wrestlers? Pro-wrestlers? Please specify as there are many many different wrestling and wrestling-type styles.

I don't think the elder gods revived Scorpion's clan (even as undead), because the elder gods aren't allowed to interfere or risk awakening the One Being, that's why they sent Scorpion to deal with Onaga instead of doing it themselves.
It may be possible for them to bring Scorpion back to life, but bringing hundreds or thousands back to life is risky.

Generally an interview with Hatsumi, Masaaki. General idfea of modern and medieval ninja some stuff about Gikan-ryu koppujutsu and Gyokko-ryu Koshijutsu.



Essay on Togakure Hidden Doors, Shoko usage, and the general lineage of Soke. Interview stuff done by Edgar H. Kiron

I still wonder when they will add rubber nipples to Scorpion.

We'd never see the rubber nipples underneath the yellow sash... maybe they're already there?

Ah, I see. I personally like to go with people such as Don Roley, Dale Seago, etc. who have studied under Hatsumi and know their stuff. Then there are also other things, like the Ninpo/Ninjutsu history essay from ninpo.org. I'm not sure if you've seen it before, but it's a great read.

Btw, just out of curiousity, what was said in the interview about Gikan Ryu and Gyokko Ryu? I mean, Gikan Ryu is one of three styles that's not really touched on much or at all and there's limited information on it.



Why would the nipples be underneath the sash? O_o