use sareena, lets see them turtle then.

makes the game better and more deep

ask versatile when me and him play, neither of us move in on each other. if one of us has the lead in the round over each other, we both know that we have no choice but to walk up to try and even out the damage. then when i get the lead, i do it back to him etc.

he knows it.

the main problem is online, theres a clock, so you are always worried about it, theres no way to shut it off

take that away, and the game breaks down to your opponents movement and spacing, its all part of the game, if you move/sidestep a way you arent supposed to, it will give me camera advantage allowing me to move in a step or more depending on your next move.

you have to watch it and at the same time play your game. you cant get frustrated nor think you are gonna lose because of it

if you are losing because of it, it is a obvious mismatch that theres nothing you can do about it.

but never feel like the person whos turtling is going to win. they will either eventuall stop turtling, or if they dont, will eventually take one wrong step.

and without backdash canceling, they really cant turtle too much

brake them down by moving in and hitting them with low pokes. you have 90 seconds and 4 pokes plus 3-5 hits on block is about 20% health. even if you hit them and they block it, thats 1% chip damage off their life, umk is all about chip damage and seeing who can hit who first

its part of the game evolving, learn to play like that, and youll be able to beat everyone. just like learn to beat a player like versatile, and youll beat anyone

also stop their movements with projectiles, itll help you move in half a step. eventuall you will get close enough to them.

also moves with range. and as i mentioned even if they block it, you can mixup off block, theres nothing they can do.

and if they dont have the lead, they arent gonna win by staying back.

unless u have a 40% or more lead, you dont have any chance of winning by just turtling and letting the clock run out.

i missed the part of which character u were, i know u said he was rain. and was teleporting, well, thats one wrong move to do if u wanna turtle, that closes in half the gap, and lightning bolt is not that great on recovery either. throw a projectile, itll trade off with the lightning and neither player will have the advantage unless he can freethrow off the lightning/any other move

it just forces you to play better, in my opinion, the person who turtles loses anyway. if youve played the game long enough, you'd know that, unless your characters stance is a a defensive stance. ( walks forward slower, walks backwards faster, there is a option in KAK for this )

furthermore, you shouldnt be worrying too much about winning in this game. dont let it bother you,and if a player is bothering you or acting "boring" then just leave and find someone else to play.

if you feel you have something to prove, then i suggest taking my advice.

or theres always dairou

i wish more people played like me and dan did. ( dan hit me up soon, im selling my ps2 very soon )

i need to go now, hope this helps somewhat

later

Turtling is only good with certain characters. I.E.~ Smoke, Sub-Zero, Frost, Dairou, Hsu Hao, etc. It's the best way to play them. But if your opponent is turtling with people like Kabal, Scorpion, then that's just plain stupid. Those characters are meant for being all up in your face IMO. Then again it's the player's decision on how to play his/her character.

*NAKM*

good stuff check

mav how are u playing that guy, if hes hosting and i click on his name, i get that his connection is horrible message, so i wont even waste my time, he uses like dial up , i think he has negative 3 stars.

no...think you guys are confusing what i am saying...the guy wasnt turtling...hell everyone turtles...its the best way to get into an opponent....this guy was straight op backing up the ENTIRE GAME....NEVER any forward motion.....the exception was with Rain...when with Rain he would teleport as I moved forward..

This guy is just an extreme version of what I have seen alot of guys do. like I said I am not talking spacing to get the proper range to set someting up...i mean flat out backing up and circling ALL day.

Picture it lie this...imagine if you were forced to become a character in the game....and you didnt want to fight....what would you do to avoid contact....that is what he and others seems to be doing (Maybe not the extreme of this guy)

All you have to do verses these guys is just get one good combo then just hold down and block. Depending on who they are using. People that play like this won’t even get close to you until 10 seconds are left. Then just run from them.
Blaze, Drahmin, Sareena, and Dairou all are good verses these types of players. A character with an infinite also does good verse them. If they want to play retarded like that then you play retarded right back

And as Check said just find someone else to play. Even if they are an elite. I’ll only play 3 games verse most people that are afraid to approach me.

And red you’re not missing much by not playing him.

Hmmmm... I see what you mean. I've played many people who've done this. Essentially, fuck em. They're really not worth your time. Why constantly run after them for the entire round?

Well, one solution could be if you're hosting, pick a small stage where you could pressure them into a corner and try tio match their side to side movements byusing your best pressure character. And yeah, there's always the KAK option, but leave it to some slapass to have a KAK that suits his/her running needs. But really, it's not worth it to play those players. Move on to someone else.

Hmmm. This has me thinking of a way the MK Team could squash this in MK8.


Ghostdragon

Mav, just counter-pick next time. If your fighting someone that you know for sure likes to space CONSTANTLY between you guys then pick a character that forces your opponent to come after you. Sareena or Dairou are good solutions.

Fighting is about aggression, martial arts is not, it's about timing. Some of the fighting styles in this game work with aggressive play. Styles like Choy Lay Fut, Wrestleing, and Karate are defensive. I beat Gotchawiththebs because i used the defensive strategy. I waited there when he was tsu hao, i kept dodging his attacks and it drove him to the point of walking into my attack's range, I mixed defensive with aggressive attacking. You just gotta be patient, sured it took me the entire match to wait for him, but i won in the end.

There so many characters you can pick to counter people who enjoy running like little rats. I usually use Jarek to deal with that or like Bobby said, Sareena would be good option too.

My list of characters according to my roster for long range attacks are:
Jarek
Jax
Hsu Hao
Sindel

Characters I wouldn't use to face running rats are:
Ashrah
Havik
Reptile
Baraka


Trax

How is Sindel long range? She only has her projectile which isn't that great. Her scream is shit and so is her foot grab.

Her weapon has good reach which somewhat limits the distance you have to cover chasing running rats, I think!

Sindel has a higher chance of winning when some one is Turtling.

she doesnt have any High priority mids or lows.
she has 1,1,1 in 1st stance, but it hits high.
her throw has high priority, but she can be smacked right after, oddly and thankfully only Versatile, Check and Dave take advantage of this down side to Sindels throw.

so yea a Good Sindel player will go "WHOOP HE'S TURTLING ME, imma win this no problem".



Mav ~ i Just loled when you called Piggy an aggressive player. he straight up ran and ran and ran vs me the other night.

i countered by picking Tanya and Mavado. he countered by Crying, calling me fag and making fun of how i space sentences on MKO

Fujin also, a Fujin that doesn't turtle=NOT a good Fujin

Hahah did you really LOL? or maybe you WERE ROTFL W LOLING. I called you a fag for repicking over and over the same characters,not replaying our disconnected match, having a problem with turtles and because you are gay anyway. You are gay right? Deal with it.

I turtle A LOT but agressive a lot as well. Some people I just don't feel getting too close to

again picking Tanya 3 x's and mavado 2 x'x isnt picking the same characters over and over. you just couldnt handle them and got pissy. its just a game.

OMFG people! Pig, so you lost a few times. Doesn't mean you have to get down n dirty n personal with your remarks. I'll admit that was kind of a low-blow just over a series or whatever.

Yeah! Cool it guys! It's just a game.

However, as Pig mentioned, I prefer series whereby people don't repeat same characters, but having said that, people are different and will play their strongest characters to get series win. I guess you just have to deal with it but counter-picking in return.

Trax

wtf, repeat characters! who cares? don't like it? move the fuck on!

4 real! You're obviously doing something wrong if you can't beat one of your opponent's characters.

how bout we all just sit down and play for fun instead of whining you got red complaining about connection 24 7
you got people starting crap with acrade mkf red and mav all the time
you complain about the other site
or just flat out this now
i think we all just need to sit back and look at what we are dealing with

co-signed

HI I'm PIG! Nice to meet you, maybe you don't know me but I always am having fun. This game means dick and I love starting shit. Have you not picked up on this? I'm not being offensive, he is gay so what..... Relax G gamer