Possible proof that Sektor and Cage are among the hidden.
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posted09/05/2004 01:55 AM (UTC)by
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Ok. Now, this is kind of old, so if there's already been a thread discussing these two in this particular context, I apologize. It was mentioned in the prison thread earlier, created when the last of the Gamer's Day videos were released, but I felt that the matter itself needed specific attention. Hence this thread.

I apologize before hand as I do realize that "_____ is a hidden character because..." threads are very redundant, but I actually believe I have decent proof, not a thirdhand report from a Gamefaqs user who's supposedly seen a guide that apparently doesn't exist.

My personal view is that Sektor and Cage look different, Sektor being an upgraded version of Cyrax's MKDA model, and Johnny Cage's MKDA model having undergone a graphical change.

First off, Sektor. Let's look at Cyrax's MKDA model:



Now, compare it to this:



As people have said, the legs are different, but only slightly. It would appear that his shins have some sort of strange green attachment to them. But what fascinates me is his general stomach area. Rater than it tapering down into a slightly narrower waistline, it looks as though he's got some sort of white attachment there. What that is is anyone's guess, but I'd wager that's where he fires homing missiles and so forth from, rather than his chest, as they used to.

Now, to Cage, MKDA model first:



Now, prison pic:



Several people have said that that's just his MKDA uiniform, but I think not. Cage's pants in MKDA ended just below the knee, and his shins and feet hand bandages, whereas in this pic, the pants clearly taper off into white sneakers. Even with such a low quality picture, I think it's easy to see that he's got no bandages, and his shins aren't even exposed. But he does seem to have is MKDA 'champion belt' on - a sign that they've simply improved upon the old. I think they've fused his MKDA outfit and his MKII outfit into one.

Now, it's arguable that they could have just decided to update their images for the sake of them looking better in Konquest, but it's also debatable. It could really go either way. It brings the question to mind of why Jax hasn't been updated for Konquest at all, from what we've seen, and they have.

Perhaps I'm being too optimistic, and stretching here. But that's just my two cents.
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XtremeBLOOD
09/03/2004 07:57 AM (UTC)
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i dont think that the model of the sektor pic is good enough to be a playable character. Looks kinda rushed
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XblacksabbathX
09/03/2004 08:04 AM (UTC)
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I'm gonna have to agree with you there, they do look slightly different and I hope that they are(well Sektor at least) super secret characters.
I think this is probally the best proof of either of them being playable, not just updated looks for konquest, because like you said Jax hasn't changed.
Well thats my 2 cents.tongue
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09/03/2004 08:04 AM (UTC)
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Fair enough observation dude. It does make you think. I have serious doubts that they are hidden playable characters tho. But hey, you never know.

I did hear that some characters in the prison are actually playable hidden characters. I have no idea how true this is or who they are talking about, it's just what I heard. Anybody clued in to what people are talking about here? Or was I unlucky enough to stumble upon a bum thread?
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09/03/2004 08:06 AM (UTC)
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I would think if they were going to be playable they'd get completely new costumes like everyone else. Why just slightly upgrade their MKDA outfits?
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09/03/2004 08:19 AM (UTC)
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Why make a whole new cyborg outfit when you can just edit one thats allready there, you know how eddy boy operates.
But thats true I'm gonna have to agree with you, IF they are playable I'm gonna feel a bit screwed if thats how they look, but on the other hand it's better than nothing and as long as they have stories, their own moves and fatalities, then they are probally the "most complete" hidden characters yet in MK.
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09/03/2004 08:19 AM (UTC)
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Well you have to remember about the lower polygon count on the characters in the cells and in Konquest. A high quality Sektor would have definite changes, in comparison to Cyrax, going off of that model. Good eye and theory. Interesting...
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09/03/2004 11:42 AM (UTC)
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XblacksabbathX Wrote:
Why make a whole new cyborg outfit when you can just edit one thats allready there, you know how eddy boy operates.
But thats true I'm gonna have to agree with you, IF they are playable I'm gonna feel a bit screwed if thats how they look, but on the other hand it's better than nothing and as long as they have stories, their own moves and fatalities, then they are probally the "most complete" hidden characters yet in MK.


Just so. MK has always been kind of...well, not lazy...shall we say 'bland'...with their hiddens, playable or no. MKI and II gave us pallette swaps, MK3/UMK3/MKT gave us the same but with unique moves, for the most part, MKT being somewhat of an exception with past versions of characters. MK4/Gold gave us yet more of the same; but with moderate variation: Noob had Tanya's fireball and Reiko's teleport slam, only being given the block disabler in MKG. Goro was the game's sub-boss. Sektor did have his own moves, but was a pallette swap.

And Mokap and blaze...well...yeah. They had their own appearances and endings, but none of their own moves or Fatals.

Looking at these examples, it's just the kind of thing I'd expect Midway to do (not that I'm accusing them of being overly lazy or anything). Re-use what's already present, and improve upon it ever so slightly. Graphical alterations to pre-existing models would be the next step, and having moves shared by no one else would be a great bonus.
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09/03/2004 12:42 PM (UTC)
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Your proof is decent. Yeah Sektor does look different, the only difference in Johnny Cage is that the bars are covering where his pants end. I think his pants are still short, from the knees
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09/03/2004 06:02 PM (UTC)
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I agree. If Sektor wasn't going to be playable they wouldn't have updated him at all. Plus Tgrant and other still stand by what they said, and they don't seem like the lying type.

I'd say Sektor is playable.
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09/03/2004 11:09 PM (UTC)
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Three other little things that occured to me upon watching the prison video again:

1: Sektor's movement of grabbing a character seemed slightly more fluid when compared to Fujin's grab, which seemed a bit jerky.

2: This was already mentioned, but they apparently used Tremor's model from MK: Special Forces to build a mold of Rain. Not a very good sign for his fans. :(

3: Is it me, or is Kitana's skin a bit paler than the other inmates'? wink
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09/03/2004 11:22 PM (UTC)
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I don't think Cage changed..

aand I seriously doubt they used Tremor for Rain... the normal MK team didn't even have anything to do with SF... and we all know it sucked...
Tremor was also much more buff... It looks to me like they just used a tweeked MK4 ninja or a tweeked Scorpion 2nd ourfit...
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09/03/2004 11:28 PM (UTC)
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Very good observations dude. smile

You know, I think people are expecting too much. People think that the “super secret” characters will all be new models of classic characters, or players we have never seen before, but I think they are all wrong.

They might be just MKDA models to please the fans, and as far as I know, only a very small number (maybe even 1 or 2) of those characters are updated. Sektor and Sareena come into this list.

While the other super secrets, are the MKDA models to please fans: Sonya, Johnny Cage, Kung Lao, Kitana, Tsung, Mavado and Quan Chi.

I think only time will tell.

The Johnny Cage pic is very interesting, I think he will return, but only with his MKDA model and no story, maybe updated a bit but nothing new. Just like the others.
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09/04/2004 04:57 PM (UTC)
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Very good observations dude. smile

You know, I think people are expecting too much. People think that the “super secret” characters will all be new models of classic characters, or players we have never seen before, but I think they are all wrong.

They might be just MKDA models to please the fans, and as far as I know, only a very small number (maybe even 1 or 2) of those characters are updated. Sektor and Sareena come into this list.

While the other super secrets, are the MKDA models to please fans: Sonya, Johnny Cage, Kung Lao, Kitana, Tsung, Mavado and Quan Chi.

I think only time will tell.

The Johnny Cage pic is very interesting, I think he will return, but only with his MKDA model and no story, maybe updated a bit but nothing new. Just like the others.
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09/04/2004 05:57 PM (UTC)
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Thank you Shadaloo....you've said everything i've been thinking for the past month...but the difference is i was too lazy to get proof...LMAOwink
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09/04/2004 06:07 PM (UTC)
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I think Reptile will be one of the hidden, with a different appearence.

But yea, your proof is solid. Good find.
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09/04/2004 06:17 PM (UTC)
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this proof is one of the reasons why i want to see a picture of shao kahn in the prison...it's been said by someone who went to game star that kahn was in a prison.....i'm curious about how his model looks......**preys for the slightest chance that kahn is in deception** i mean could you imagine it...

SHAO KAHN vs. ONAGA.......good lord i'm drooling
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09/04/2004 06:46 PM (UTC)
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Even though this may be off topic, but I would like to add to the list of possible playable updated characters from MK: DA and what not. I would like to add Shang Tsung. The main reason is from the MK: Deception intro video Shang's chest plate is very differant from his chest design from MK: DA. Interesting stuff have been said on this post indeed :.l.
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MrSilvers
09/04/2004 08:22 PM (UTC)
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I hope sektor is playable, and you have good proof of it too.

Now all i need is rain, whether he is new or swap i still want him. and DA kunglao
EDIT also you think that if he was not playable they would have used his mk4 outfit instead of fixing him up
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CMETH
09/04/2004 11:18 PM (UTC)
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I think Rain's looks is from Scorpion's UMK3/MK4 oufit which was recreated for MKD.
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JoRdANMan
09/04/2004 11:34 PM (UTC)
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I think Sektor is just a color swaped Cyrax from MkDa, which is fine cause hes only in the prison. If he was a playable char i think that they would have game him his own look. Johnny looks the same as he does in MkDa.
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09/04/2004 11:38 PM (UTC)
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JoRdAnMaN Wrote:
I think Sektor is just a color swaped Cyrax from MkDa, which is fine cause hes only in the prison. If he was a playable char i think that they would have game him his own look. Johnny looks the same as he does in MkDa.


I agree. I think Sektor's legs don't really look different, I think they just look shorter which makes it look like he has added detail on the thigh area and such where he really is just a swap. And Johnny looks the same too, i think, I think what you're saying is the top of his boot is really his calf skin, but it's debatable because of the lower prison bar.
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09/05/2004 12:42 AM (UTC)
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If sektor is in it i hope cyrax is at least have competetion over them two since they are both cyborgs...
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09/05/2004 12:54 AM (UTC)
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Anyanka Wrote:
I would think if they were going to be playable they'd get completely new costumes like everyone else. Why just slightly upgrade their MKDA outfits?



Well, they only slighty upgraded Raiden's look.
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09/05/2004 01:55 AM (UTC)
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There are interesting new characters in Deception to worry about Cage,but if him along with Sektor are unlockables i have no problem....

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