Very nice observations Temp. I agree...I wouldn't mind seeing Nightwolf take over the reins from Raiden..so long as Raiden doesn't dissappear completely and is still involved in some way like you said, with fujin. I would also like to see the more unused characters have interaction with the mainstays of the series. For one I'd love to see a thing develop between Tanya and Sindel...Maybe having Sindel find out how Tanya betrayed Edenia..and then taking it from there. Or to separate Sonya from the whole Black Dragon...have her concentrate on Frost..It was a nice little beginning of something that they had in MKDA why not explore it? (If these two ladies come back to the MK games that is)

Very nice thread Temp.

why nightwolf? he hasnt really done much to become leader. I think Sub would be better for it.

TomTaz: Thanks, bro. I think a Sonya-Frost conflict would do both characters some good. It may even bridge here character with Sub's. I mean, we're on the way to the seventh installment of MK. I think it would make sense that all the classic characters have at least some understanding of each other by now.

Chaos160: because Subzero is already occupied with his own establishment, not to mention is under seige by the Tekunin and maybe the Red Dragon. Also, Subzero has already been developed. Why bring back characters if we're not going to develop them? I feel that Nightwolf is the only character that has the moral fortitude and the level of spirituality to take Raiden's place.

Thank God someone finally said it. Tobais's writing was terrible. He just contradicted himself, and created problems. Vogel is ten times the writer Tobais was, and hopefully, he will rectify some of the flaws in the storylines of MK3 and MK4 characters.

true... is there anybody esle that can do it? im not a big nightwolf fan. as u can tell im pretty new to posting here, maybe u can tell me who is the guy that kicks ermac in to the death trap? he wears blue and has a pony tail?

Chaos160 Wrote: why nightwolf? he hasnt really done much to become leader. I think Sub would be better for it.

I agree, a character like Nightwolf who only joined MK because Shao Kahn's attempt at taking over the Earth affected him, his people and his homeland, shouldn't have such a big jump to having a higher status over such bigger and more important characters.

Even characters like Smoke, in my opinion, should have more of a say in this, because he's actually done something or been involved in something that's effected A-ist characters like Sub-Zero.

Then there's buddy characters like Sonja, Jax and Kung Lao. None of these should have such a big jump either, as they've been buddy characters to Liu Kang, and that's how everyone has viewed them, why change them.

Sub-Zero, if he can come out of Deception alive, having to

1. Help the Earthrealm warriors against the most dangerous threat to Earth ever, the Dragon King
2. Fend off Sektor's new Klan, the Tekunin, who recently took control of the whole of Japan/China (can't remember which, either would be a big stronghold)
3. Stop itself from being destroyed the same way the Black Dragon was at the hands of the Red Dragon,

then Sub-Zero has to have the best shot of becoming Earth's primary defender.

Not to mention the fact that his look gets more god-like every game

Well I personally hate Nightwolf, and I hate his mohawk hairstyle even more, but if they got rid of that stupid costume and developed his character well, then yeah, I think he could replace the leadership of Rayden since Sub-Zero is so occupied.

I don't think we'll get stupid storylines with worthless characters ever again now that John Vogel is doing those instead of that dumbass John Tobias.

FLSTYLE Wrote: then Sub-Zero has to have the best shot of becoming Earth's primary defender.

Subzero should be the main protagonists, but by no means is he a guide or a teacher. The only thing Subzero has going for him is power and good intentions.

The only character who I feel can match Raiden when it comes to integrity and wisdom is Nightwolf. Subzero would be a good hero like Lui Kang. But Lui Kang wasn't a leader. Lui Kang couldn't put a fuckin hat on without Raiden's help. But it isn't just about replacing Raiden, it's about developing the understated characters, which MK usually is very bad about. Raiden may have been the earthrealm defender, but in the story his purpose was to be a leadership figure. A position I think Nightwolf would do best in.

Don't get me wrong, Nightwolf would be a horrilbe main character. But as a guide, a mentor, he would be excellent.

Zentile: I agree, Nightwolf's alt sucks.

EDIT: I meant "protagonists," sorry.

TemperaryUserName Wrote: FLSTYLE Wrote: then Sub-Zero has to have the best shot of becoming Earth's primary defender. Subzero should be the main antagonist, but by no means is he a guide or a teacher. The only thing Subzero has going for him is power and good intentions. The only character who I feel can match Raiden when it comes to integrity and wisdom is Nightwolf. Subzero would be a good hero like Lui Kang. But Lui Kang wasn't a leader. Lui Kang couldn't put a fuckin hat on without Raiden's help. But it isn't just about replacing Raiden, it's about developing the understated characters, which MK usually is very bad about. Raiden may have been the earthrealm defender, but in the story his purpose was to be a leadership figure. A position I think Nightwolf would do best in. Don't get me wrong, Nightwolf would be a horrilbe main character. But as a guide, a mentor, he would be excellent. Zentile: I agree, Nightwolf's alt sucks.

I also hate the mohawk, but Nightwolf could take on the Raiden role, being the wise, all knowing guy, but not the main character. If Liu Kang is, I will hang myself. I think the people who have the best chances of being the main character is:

1. Subzero
2. Hotaru
3. Ashrah

Hotaru looks promising, he could also take up the Raiden role, he looks wise. If you lose the armor and stuff.

If anyone should replace Rayden it should be Fujin..

Nightwolf holds his own, that's what any native american fighter would be like. No prejudice in any way - but lone indians fit as renegades, fighting for themselves and their people.

why does raiden need to be replaced in the first place? i have no problem with him staying the leader of the good guys. to go from raiden to nightwolf would be a huge step down.

wingsofredemption Wrote: If anyone should replace Rayden it should be Fujin..

Although I love Fujin to death, I don't think he shares the bond with the Earth realm that Rayden had. Nightwolf, being not only a native, but is probably the only character who isn't restricted by a seperate plotline(special forces, Feud with the Red Dragon). He's an empty slot.

Chaos160 Wrote: why does raiden need to be replaced in the first place? i have no problem with him staying the leader of the good guys. to go from raiden to nightwolf would be a huge step down.

Raiden is beginning to suffer the horribly stale fate of Scorpion. His character hasn't grown since MK2. I like Rayden a lot, but he storyline can't stand on it's own anymore.

I do think that Nightwolf can take the role of advisor to the Earth realm warriors. He has that "in touch with the higher plane" thing going for him. Plus, he may be the reason Lui Kang has returned. And like everyone else on this forum, his Cheif Thunder mohawk sucks, I don't mind the rest of his outfit.

I believe that Smoke should be someone who becomes one of the main antigonists in the series. But like I said before in other forums, I'd be pissed if they kept his story the same after all this time. Him being the best friend of Sub-Zero is really pissing me off. He needs to evolve. I personaly would like for him to be on the side of the Dragon King, that alone should develope the relationship between him and Sub-Zero. He doesn't have to be evil, but he should be an anti-hero. This is something that can enrich the story and flush out some of the other characters.

If Nightwolf even thinks it, he's going to get shot!

I guess it's a good idea, but it shouldn't be him. It's too early for him, especially as a not so popular character, to just take over a more important characters role. That's probably why Fujin never got to return as Earth realms protector. He wasn't that popular.

I think Nightwolfs story should be built up to the event first. Then have him take over. Raiden should however remain a key part to MK and have a new, large role of his own.

If they take Raiden out completely and give Nightwolf the role, he will have my eternal hatred! Then I'll go shoot him!

Whoa!!!!!!!!!!
This thread's name should be changed to the I hate Nightwolf thread.

Although I'd like Nightwolf to become involved in the story. I don't support him carrying Raiden's torch unless Raiden is missing for some reason. He would have the leadership qualities though. As he is the leader of his people.

I'd rather he became very involved in the classic characters like Sub, Scorpion, Raiden etc story. That way he might hang around for MK7.

I want all characters to have good interlinked stories.

I don't think that Nightwolf has really "proven" himself to take the place of Raiden. If anyone should replace him, it should be Fujin, seeing as he's Earth Realm's protector, and since he helped in the war against Shinnok.

Also, seeing as this thread's about developing one-time characters, why not start with everybodys whooping boy Stryker? If anything, I think that the only way he'll make it onto people's good sides is if he gets developed, and given a new look. Maybe he could join the Special Forces?

TemperaryUserName Wrote: It's not secret that a lot of the more obscure characters are returning. This has caused a lot of ruckus among the forum, as well as please a lot of fanbases. But I don't want to repeat the mistakes of MK3 and MK4. A lot of characters that were introduced weren't developed, or given any focus. Therefore they were either downtroddened or were taken in by the hearts of cult fans. And I'm very greatful to those cult fans, because they're the reason a lot of my favorites are back(Kabal, Smoke). Ever heard that saying "No man is an island?" Well, that's what we got with MK3/MK4: a bunch of fucking islands. None of the new characters had any real interaction with the story beyond their personal situations, with the exception of the cyborgs. Kabal, Nightwolf, Kai, and many others simply resolved their own conflicts and went their own ways. Jerek, the worst character ever was one of the few that actually interacted with other basic story by evading the special forces. I don't know about you, but I blame Tobias. He gets too much credit. Now that we have Vogel, why not put the new characters to use? Have them ally or become enemies with the current ones. Or as I mentioned above, have Nightwolf become the new leader for the Earth Realm warriors. Raiden can finally be a god, for once, and team with Fujin while fighting the DK his own way. Why not have Kabal team with Subzero, so that they may together help take down the Red Dragon. Any thoughts, guys?

Nightwolf is probably the most spiritual and surely is wise enough to take the lead. Why not him. I agree that the storyline got out of hand in MK3 and UMK3 and MKT tried to fix the plot holes but unfortunatly, they just added more.
I think they made a great choice of bringing old characters like Kabal, Smoke, kira (new in MKD but not in our knowledge), noob than adding a too much new characters that needed to fit for a reason or another.
I just hope the storyline, which is the main reason why I like MK in the first place, get deeper and make sense like it use to.

I too think that nightwolf should replace raiden in this game, so that there will be a change in the story. the story seems to be the same for every character , that or there is never a dramatic change. Another thing that could happen is that they could have the red dragon capture jax, and turn him into a red dragon member. This would add a big twist to the story, and help jax's story out alot.

And also good thread!

TemperaryUserName Wrote: FLSTYLE Wrote: then Sub-Zero has to have the best shot of becoming Earth's primary defender. Subzero should be the main protagonists, but by no means is he a guide or a teacher. The only thing Subzero has going for him is power and good intentions.

Don't underestimate Sub-Zero's leadership skills, he is the grandmaster of the Lin Kuei, I'm sure 2 of the main characteristics in the job contract would be to be a guide and a teacher.

I wouldn't mind Nightwolf for the protector element he's always had, but from how Raiden has done the job it seems you'd need to play a sort of father role, something I think only a god could do. (or someone powerful who looks like a father figure who's had expierence being a mentor to others = Sub-Zero )

Here's my thoughts:

I agree that Fujin is the best man (god?) for the job as Earth's protector. That status seems to have always been held by a god (Raiden), and, although he doesn't have enough emotional ties to Earth and its warriors to fit the job description, he's devoutly loyal to Raiden, and seems willng to learn. Plus, he's proven himself to be a capable protector in the war against Shinnok, so it would make sense that he'd take up the reigns when Raiden finally steps out of the spotlight.

Raiden, while he should not be removed entirely from the game, should take a backseat to his fellow warriors. Most likely, he'll be too busy kicking the Elder Gods out and rebuilding Heaven to continue his role as Earth's protector, so he'll need people he can trust to take his place. He's already appointed Fujin to the role, and he has many allies he can trust for backup, just in case. He can still watch over his allies, lending aid when neccessary, but for the most part, his part is done, he needs a rest.

Nightwolf would be a good liason between Heaven and Earth, teaching Fujin the ways of the mortals so he could further understand what he needs to do to protect them, as well as relaying messages and aid from Raiden to Earth's warriors. He'd be the perfect mentor, for both the fledgling Fujin, and the rest of their allies.

Subby would be a great leader for the mortals, but he's got the Lin Kuei to manage, as well as the Tekunin and Red Dragon to deal with. Plus, with Frost possibly coming back from her last attempt at usurping him, he'll have to deal with the possiblility of a revolt from within. He'd be stretched way too thin to be a viable leader. Plus, his Kori powers are growing astronomically (thanks to the Dragon Medallion), so he may end up corrupted by that power, or transformed into an elemental being like Blaze, which would put more strain on him.

Kung Lao, on the other hand, has only the White Lotus Society to deal with, and now that Bo' Rai Cho has joined him, that responsibility won't destract him nearly enough to cripple him as a leader. He's already got two reputations to uphold: As the last remaining descendant of the original Kung Lao, and as the friend to the Mortal Kombat Champion, Liu Kang. Unlike Liu, Kung Lao has shown that he doesn't need Raiden's help to do things on his own. He saught out Bo' Rai Cho in order to gain the fighting prowess he needed to get revenge for Liu's death, and convinced the portly Outworlder to join him on Earth to help rebuild the White Lotus Society. Raiden never told him to do that. He'd be better to take up Liu's position as the 'Chosen One' than Subby would be.

well tampon, you do have alot of nice ideas as of late, but im just not feeling these, like Kabal and Sub-Zero? Come on thats like J Lo and Afleck. Nightwolf? Replacing the Thunder God? I don't like that, Raiden could be the only one to be the leader of Earthrealm, noone can replace him.

Tgrant: I don't want Raiden to jump ship or anything, I just kind of want him to move on to bigger things. So many of the lower characters were wasted opportunities in past games. I just want to see something achieved with them for MKD.

Maxdam: Well said. BTW, your sig rules!

Mr.Silvers: Thanks, man.

SynjoDeonecros: Good post.

Everyone else: I'm not saying Nightwolf should be "Defender of the Earthrealm." I'm saying he should be the new leader figure for the MK warriors of earth, as Raiden was. I don't want to throw Nightwolf into a baggy white clothes and a funny hat and call him thunder god or anything

But give role of leader to Fujin? I hope not. Believe it or not, I atually like him better than Nightwolf, but there are bigger fishes for him to fry, IMO. My guess is that it was Raiden's original intention for the mortals to be independant, and represent themselves. But he didn't feel there was any human who would be wise and moral enough to take on such a burden. With Nightwolf taking this burden upon his shoulders, I think Raiden could finally be a strict protector and reunite and finally reunite with Fujin to do some heavy ass kicking.

Making Fujin the new leader would just be going from point A to point A. Let one of the Earth Realm take up the challenge, instead of being babysat by another god.

Now for Subzero. I won't say that he couldn't be the new leader of the series, but I would much rather him be the new hero. Could he be both? Yeah, but it would be a waste. Remember guys, the Nightwolf/Rayden thing was meant to be an example. My point in this thread was to point out that the old revived characters need some development this time around. Characters like Nightwolf need a purpose for the story(a real one this time). It would wasteful to give all the roles to Sub.

For the type of person he is, nightwolf probably would be the best mortal suited for the job, I wouldn't mind one bit if Raiden became an elder god again, Nightwolf the leader, and Sub-Zero the hero.

TemperaryUserName Wrote: Lui Kang couldn't put a fuckin hat on without Raiden's help.

:: Dies laughing::