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So Hotaru sides with the Dragon King, yet represents 'Order'....
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posted08/22/2004 12:30 PM (UTC)by
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Now, this is fascinating. It brings an entirely new dimension to our perspective of the Dragon King.

Hotaru is a supporter of Order, as we saw. It's mentioned in his Bio that for this reason, he has taken up sides with the Dragon King.

So, does this mean that the DK is trying to impose an order of his own? What kind of 'order'? It must be a righteous one, else someone like Hotaru who is devoted to Order would not side with him...would he? Perhaps, in whatever the DK's grand scheme is, the ends justify the means, and that's why Hotaru sides with him.

Or perhaps Order means something entirely different in Hotaru's homeland. It's possible eventhat Hotaru himself has a warped sense of what is orderly and what is not.

IMO, I think that for the first time, we have encountered a Mortal Kombat character who has shattered the boundaries of 'right' and 'wrong', escaping the 'evil bad-guy' syndrome that plagues so many of our games and comics. It may be that the DK is not inherently evil. It would be welcome to see a character with more than one dimension.

Perhaps this is a war with no winners, and for now, our 'Earthrealm heroes' are merely players in a war beyond the boundaries of such limited concepts as 'good' or 'evil'.

Perhaps this is the Deception. There are no good guys or bad guys this time through.

What do you think?

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 •08/21/2004 07:26 AM (UTC) •
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I was gonna make a thread like this, but you did a much better job, dude. wink
I think the order Hotaru seeks would mean the the absolute lack of chaos and as such, the enslavement of all. There would be order, because there would be no freedom.
In Mortal Kombat Deception, the line between good and evil has blurred like never before. It's going to be fascinating for sure, Shadaloo.
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 •08/21/2004 07:31 AM (UTC) •
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I think Hotaru interpets Order for stability. And since the Dragon King is the most powerful entity to yet grace the MK universe he sides with him believing that doing so will bring all the realms into order with one another. Or rather he sides with whoever will win the war to ensure balance and "order" is achieved... who knows maybe the dragon king will win or something.

But I do like what you had to say also... maybe the dragon isn't even evil he just has an agenda or a mission that he believes he has to carry out.
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 •08/21/2004 07:33 AM (UTC) •
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It really never even occured to me to think that the Dragon King would be anything but evil. I mean, he's the bad guy. But a lot of people painted Hotaru to be evil and he's Neutral. Neutral can be far more dangerous than evil, and you may be onto something.

The Dragon King could be Neutral! tongue
I gotta tell you, a powerful force like the Dragon king being Neutral would scare the piss out of me far more than him being evil. Evil has weaknesses. Evil is usually arrogant. You can depend on evil's flaws. Neutral is just damned scary.
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 •08/21/2004 07:45 AM (UTC) •
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Neutral is, indeed, unpredictable. I wonder just what the DK's motives are. Argh, we'll have to wait nearly 2 months to find out.... >_<
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 •08/21/2004 07:49 AM (UTC) •
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i also thought of this, my conclusion was one word. Deception. I'm not flaming and im not being sarcastic so please dont take it that way.
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 •08/21/2004 07:51 AM (UTC) •
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*speechless* Well...umm...it looks like we're all on the same page about the blurred lines of good and evil and Hotaru's perspective and belief on what Order truly is. I had figured that Hotaru would believe that because the DK is such a powerful creature that he would essentially stop the feuding between realms, thus bringing the universe to an order of some sort. I wonder what Havik has in mind...
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 •08/21/2004 07:54 AM (UTC) •
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Wouldn't that beat all if Havik was working for the Dragon King too? I don't even think Hotaru knows about Havik. He's busy feuding with Sub, Dairou and Darrius.
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 •08/21/2004 08:02 AM (UTC) •
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Bezou Wrote:
Wouldn't that beat all if Havik was working for the Dragon King too? I don't even think Hotaru knows about Havik. He's busy feuding with Sub, Dairou and Darrius.


Oh man that would be great. Of course since Hotaru has teamed with the Dragon King, you would think that Havik (being a supposed chaotic opposite to Hotaru) would team with Earth's forces. My guess is that Havik is playing both sides. Maybe even sabotaging both as well. He could be a new wild card, just as dangerous as Scorpion.
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 •08/21/2004 08:29 AM (UTC) •
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perhapse havik fights along side of earth.....the two characters reprasenting yin and yang losing balance cuz in deception its hitting the fan
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•08/21/2004 08:38 AM (UTC) •
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Or perhaps the DK deceived Hotaru, and he thinks that the DK is a "good" ruler, that the only thing that the DK wants it's to restore the peace in the Outworld.

I don't see any diferences between the Emperor Shao Kahn and the Dragon King like Outworld rulers, and if Hotaru went to the Outworld to face Shao Kahn, and now this ally with the Dragoon King, is that the DK has deceived Hotaru.
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 •08/21/2004 08:42 AM (UTC) •
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I don't think that Hotaru thinks the Dragon King is good. Just with what Vogel was saying in the video bio about Hotaru wanting Order "at any and all cost".
"Hotaru actually sides with the Dragon King for the sole reason that he will bring order to the universe. You know, he doesn't care *how* he brings order to the universe, but he *will* bring order to the universe. "
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 •08/21/2004 08:44 AM (UTC) •
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maybe as dragon king plans to enslave people and have no freedom is a way that hotaru sees as having order.
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•08/21/2004 08:47 AM (UTC) •
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Bezou Wrote:
I don't think that Hotaru thinks the Dragon King is good. Just with what Vogel was saying in the video bio about Hotaru wanting Order "at any and all cost".

"Hotaru actually sides with the Dragon King for the sole reason that he will bring order to the universe. You know, he doesn't care *how* he brings order to the universe, but he *will* bring order to the universe. "


My listen of English is not very good grin

Thanks for the info wink
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 •08/21/2004 09:20 AM (UTC) •
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I agree with the warped or dominant sense of order, but it could also be that The Dragon King is a "classy" ruler. I can picture Kahn as a saage type ruler, and Dragon King to have more of a "charm" to him. But that doesn't explain why he searched for Shao Kahn.

BTW, it could be that Hotaru is being deceived as well.
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 •08/21/2004 09:40 AM (UTC) •
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By the sounds of it, Hotaru is a facist. Cool!!
So it seems like Boon and co are fans of Babylon 5 ...in Babylon 5 the bad guys (the Shadows) wanted to bring order to the universe at any cost.This idea is based on all fascists like Hitler,Mao etc who want the world to run their way at any cost.So the Dragon King and Hotaru are definately not neutral,they're definately evil.
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 •08/21/2004 11:42 AM (UTC) •
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GoldenSquirrelFist Wrote:
So it seems like Boon and co are fans of Babylon 5 ...in Babylon 5 the bad guys (the Shadows) wanted to bring order to the universe at any cost.This idea is based on all fascists like Hitler,Mao etc who want the world to run their way at any cost.So the Dragon King and Hotaru are definately not neutral,they're definately evil.


Well Hotaru just has to be mis-informed, it's The Dragon King who is definately evil.
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•08/21/2004 01:02 PM (UTC) •
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Just because Hotaru represents "order" doesnt mean he wants Outworld to be inhabited with fluffy pink rabbits and rosebushes...

We all have our own interpretation of "order"

If I wanted order in Earthrealm, for instance, Id kill off certain people I thought were "disruptive" ....Whereas someone else would keep them alive, hence everyone havin their own interpretation of "order"

Would be nice to think DK is "neutral" but I wouldnt count on it, I just dont see it happening, we need to be introduced to a serious badass evil mother canucker before we see any tame outlook on the DK [in my opinion]

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•08/21/2004 01:07 PM (UTC) •
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Great thread!

Hotaru could have any perception of Order. Order to him might be the kind of order all evil people want. Or maybe he really is a good guy and wants the peaceful kind of Order.

If he was a good guy, then the Dragon King is most likely deceiving him. If he's a bad guy, then the Order the Dragon King wants is Hotarus ultimate goal in the end and therefore he has sided with him to help achieve this order.

For all we know, Hotarus sense of Order could be a mix of good and bad!
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 •08/21/2004 01:36 PM (UTC) •
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well, think of it this way. Adolf Hitler sought what he thought of as order. although, it incompassed the annihilation of every Jew and anyone else without blond hair, blue eyes, and similar racial blood, it was still his idea of order.
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 •08/21/2004 01:38 PM (UTC) •
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Darius.. ( or whatever that black MK morpheus was called ) Will prolly side with the earth/edenian forces. He's the order rebel remember. Chaos would side with Kahn.

And it wouldn't suprise me if the DK is decepting Havik and Hotaru for his own ends. for the DK there are no order, chaos or neutral sides... just his side.
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 •08/21/2004 01:42 PM (UTC) •
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He takes side with the dragon king (which is a maker of evil) and Hotaru is a disturbed person o he thinks he is doing the right thing when allied with the king of evil.


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 •08/21/2004 03:47 PM (UTC) •
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I wonder if they will actually go back to the mortal kombat rules like in MK1. I mean really the last couple games have taken place mostly in outworld.
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 •08/21/2004 03:59 PM (UTC) •
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I think people are looking far too deep into things. He's just siding with whoever he thinks has the best chance of bringing order to Outworld/Edenia. That person just happens to be evil. It's more of an opportunistic thing, side with the guy who's winning as it seems the easier way to achieve what he set out to do. I'm sure if the good guys were the ones winning and had the DK on the ropes, he'd be with them instead as they look to have the best chance of restoring order. Then again I haven't seen the bio (they tend to never work for me, be it WMP or QT) so perhaps I'm wrong.
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