Dude, this thread has been a LONG read... and with long, I really mean long!!

Don't get me wrong, as a Sonya fan I am very glad to see such a decent and detailed thread about her. And I have to admit it: Sonya does kick a whole lot of ass this time around! Her looks, moves and finshers were ALL great the say the least.

Having back all these classic moves made me so happy during the development of MKvsDC. And all of that felt really well on the moment I started to play myself. The Kiss of death, (for some season I'm having difficulties to pull this one off) is one of the most classic and best fatalities in the game. I like to use this one on Kano .

Storywise, everything has been discussed already so I don't need to point out I liked that as well. As for whooping Baraka's ass, that was funny, even though Baraka has been my alltime favorit villain from MK.

It's good to see you're still on top of everything regarding Sonya, qaueve! Great thread!

It is good they hooked up Sonya to the max. In a game where the majority of the Fatalities looked like child play. You can Vertical kick from the air too, making Sonya's kick that much better than Lui Kangs' bicycle kick. I know one thing all you Sonya fans. Kitana is on her level iF not the best female in Mk vs Dc!!
I wanted Wonder Woman to be the best female, but her moves are as sluggish as Supermans'. Heavy hitters', but hard to catch skilled people online with. Leaving Sonya and Kitana on top. Teleporting, and Fan lifting is alot more useful, when you've got half a life bar fighting somebody who can juggle-combo like crazy online.

Cool! ^_^

Again, I can only say I’m glad to see that there are still users like you around. There should be more people like you in the forums: Respect, fairness, and intelligent posts are what make your replies so much fun to read and so goo dto take seriously.



Hehehehe. Trust me, I can be an eloquent elegant diplomat. But the thread title simply disserved to be that “loud”. Sonya is practically flawless.



Agreed.

I mean, I think the awesomeness of seeing Superman, Batman and the other DC stars completely ripped apart in violent ways by the MK team and their own side of villains would had been amazing and probably gathered more attention then the immense attention it already had gotten.

Fatalities truly needed a breath of fresh air, and this game handled that pretty well. Now, with the gore back, they seriously need to start to get creative or things will be bad.

Seriously, new touches and details and creativity are a must for the new gore that’s to come. Its about time we see body turn into ashes, skin melting violently in front of our eyes, body parts being dramatically torn, sking being gruesomely ripped, frozen people being shattered in more original ways, victims loosing an eye or two, etc.

Really violent and serious fatalities are a must.

And please, let them be longer then 5 seconds.



So true!

I actually enjoyed the ninjas chapters a lot. Jax also had one of the best chapters in the game. He was portrayed so well and they made him stand out in such a cool way that fans all over the place have been pleased despite the initial negative reaction of his inclusion.

I still feel characters like Johnny Cage and Mileena should had been there instead of some of the ones we got......BUT, when you see what they did to Jax, wow, one is kind of pleased he actually made the cut to see him in such awesomeness.

And yeah, it was sooooo much fun to see Sonya kicking so much male butt. Each scene of hers has something extremely memorable.



Agreed. It was nice to see these super heroes being taught an MK lesson. And I wasn’t really surprised that Kitana didn’t get a chapter, but that did suck for her a lot.



Hey!!! Its excellent to see you are still around! How have you been?

Yay, on your awesome comments man.



Same here!!! Isn’t it fun just to imagine the storyline being played in your head while you are fighting? And when you reach the Finish Him/Her, you are like, well, would Sonya kill this guy?

Kano always dies in my game, as cool as he is and as much as I like him.



Oh dude, but, we are actually specifying which scenes from the story mode we enjoyed and liked the best. Surely you must have a favorite between all her moments of glory (I know its kind of hard to pick though, lol).

Was it against the Catlady?
Against the Clown-Prince?
Against the Captain?
Against the Orck of Mk?
Against her best friend?
Or the against Ring bearer?



Thanks man!



Great post man!

It is actually a shame Wonderwoman and Catwoman are so bad in the game. Thankfully, I have LOADS of fun with Catwoman. She can be low tier, but she is loads of fun against the machine. Her special moves are cool.

Sonya’s are moves rock and Kitana is definitely high tier and fun! But, that’s the only positive thing though.

Wonderwoman I loved in storymode. I was expecting her to be blah, but no, she was actually cool. The whole “sweetness and sincere personality” made her shine for me. She rocked. She is not that much fun to play as, but oh well, at least she had a story chapter and looked decent.

how have i missed this thread?

but anyways. yeah, it's clear that the developers went out of their way to make sonya a really likeable badass character in this game. which i think is outstanding considering how forgettable they made her in the last three games.

the way she is portrayed in this game is simply outstanding. it's sonya 100%. from her interactions with jax and the joker it was just perfect. she was really the main character in this game where you could watch the story unfold and say "that's EXACTLY what sonya would do"

actually i was surprised at how much of the special forces that we got in story mode. and for me as a huge jax and sonya, it was a treat to finally see some real interaction between them. not just back story. it's the first time we've been able to see their brother/sister relationship outside of DOTR and MKA...you know...the movie.

i guess the only real complaint i have about sonya is her ring toss. i mean it's cool how it is being low but i miss the MK3 ring toss that was higher up. i think it'd be cool for her to have a projectile that hits mid and one that hits low.

As I've told you before queve, I'm always around. I seem to be away because it doesn't happen a lot I actually post around the forums. But my visitcount keeps on rising

Well, my favorite scene in Story Mode. What a question. First of all, anytime the Joker pops up the scene is funny. I can't fight with the guy, but he's hilarious! His scene with Sonya was no exception. Good fun, even when playing it through for the second and third time .

Sonya's interactions with Jax weren't bad at all. They kinda reminded me of the first movie. Jax telling her that they are a team while our though chick handles thing on her own (In the movie, Sonya ignored Jax and went after Kano onto the boat). I found that a nice touch. Having them face off against each other was a little to be expected.

I don't wanna make too long posts, so I'm gonna go to my favorite part: The one where Sonya whoops both the Lantern and the Captains ass lol. Two dudes with great power at their disposal get knocked around by MK's femme fatale, I absolutely loved that! . Having them fleed away was even the best part of it all. Certainly if you're gonna think ahead: the Captain is gonna defeat Baraka, Scorpion, Shang Tsung and Raiden after that. But he was no match for Sonya. Ain't that great!

Little note: I think the cinematics and voice acting in Story Mode were good. Not just Sonya, but all of them. I still don't like the whole colliding universes thing, but story mode brought is as decent as possible. Great job to the MK team for that!

That’s good to remember! ^^



So true. I just love the whole “pretty flower for the pretty lady” scene. How she approaches him in such a tough way, her lovely attitude, and her cool punch. Awesome. And not to mention that the Joker was also perfect in every sense of the word. His movements, his sarcasm, etc. Like Sonya, he has gotten loads of praise.



Now that you mention it, it is a nice little touch. I didn’t think much of the first movie, but I did think about DOTR and MKA. Cool.



Agreed!



The babe knows how to kick butt. And she look shot doing it too. Awesome.



So true. And I also agree all of the voice acting was great.

I remember the early hate Shang Tsung’s voice got for some weird reason, but till now I find nothing horrible about it. Its cool and it suits the character. All of the voices fitted each of the characters PERFECTLY. The Australian accent in Kano, the softness in Kitana, Liu Kang’s hero voice, Sonya’s tough take-no-crap sexy voice, Rayden’s wise voice.

And how could we forget the awesome DC characters? Superman, Wonderwoman, Flash, Catwoman, Captain Marvel, wow....they were all perfect.

I LOVED Catwoman. Sooooo much personality in her sort of slutty voice. Cool.



Sooo good to see you around as well!

I though all characters were extremely well done and memorable in MKDA, in one way or the other. It was THE comeback game. I don’t see how she wasn’t memorable (or anyone else for that matter....but well, we have Hsu Hao, who wasn’t quite loved, but there were very few exceptions. Li Mei was hated a lot and soon received huge love), especially because of the advertizing she got (less then in mkvsdc, but good enough).

And in MKA, a game with over 50 characters, it was quite fantastic to see her have a long cool role with personality in Konquest, one of the few with a bio, and a cool special Kover, imo.



So true!



I know! I loved seeing more of them like that. To see the whole friendship thing going on. That’s another reason why it pains me that characters like Johnny Cage and Mileena didn’t make the cut. Their interactions would surely had been some of the top best.

Johnny Cage was extremely loved and praised in MKSM, he would had rocked in this game. And my hopes to see him interact in mk vs dc like cinematics with Sonya are still very high. Mileena would had rocked interacting with characters like Catwoman, Wonderwoman and even Kitana.

Anyway, I was more then pleased we got soooo much of the Special Forces in this game, because it helps a lot to show how cool it truly is. After all we saw, I wouldnt be surprised if they decided to give the theme a second chance as an adventure game. Thanks to MKSM and MKvsDC storymode, we can surely bet they are capable of doing things right now.



I also miss the MK3 style of ring toss, a lot, even though I love it in MK vs DC. I guess a cool pro move would had been showing Sonya do a normal high ring toss and then a pro move where she bends and shoots it like she doe sin this game. Whatever the case, I love the ring toss and I’m a very happy fanboy because they brought it back (along side everything else they raped her off since MKDA).

Soooo cool they kept the kiss.

forgettable may have been a bad word. but for lack of a better one that's what i'm going to work with. as far as story goes of course all the characters were well done and memorable but she was missing so much from the last three games as far as gameplay goes that made her forgettable IMO. she shared almost everyone of her moves with someone which made her less unique i think.

yeah the thing about this game is even though it has 22 characters it really feels like it has 10. there are soooo many important characters missing from BOTH sides that should've been in the game. after actually playing through the story mode i would've loved to see like johnny cage and joker interact. would've been very very funny.
and yes a shaolin monks styled game with sonya and jax would be cool.

all right i'm glad i'm not the only one that misses the old ring toss. i'm not sure what kind of projectile she had in MK4 but if it was more similar to the MKA projectile she's had a low hitting one for awhile. but still i don't see a reason why she can't have a high/mid hitting one in addition to the one she has now. like liu kang.

It's called Special Forces. It sucked major amounts of ass.

There are some really good points here to respond to. Let me see if I can hit them all.

Queve, both you and Oracle made an interesting point that I hadn't consciously thought of. I enjoyed Jax in the story mode of this game. I am not a Jax fan specifically. I never had any great dislike for the character until the stereotyped ghetto thug version we got in mkda, mkd, and mka. I hate that version.

This was for all intents and purposes a different character. I didn't mind the mk annihilation movie Jax so much, but this was the best version of the character bar none. I still don't use him, but his story chapter was very good. Mostly for the Sonya, Sub Zero, and Wonder Woman interactions, but he was portayed with some self respect this time around. I also think he got a unique and cool look also.

Oracle I think the reason Sonya seemed let's use the word lackluster in the last 3 games was, like Reptile, she lost every special move that made her Sonya. No leg grab, no vertical bike kick.

Imagine Chun Li without the upside down hurricane kick or lightning kicks. Yeah, didn't think so.

Also until mk4 Sonya was until mk vs dc the best looking and gameplay version of Sonya in my opinion. She had all her trademarks, and a cartwheel kick similar to this one, only this one is better. It is a pop up move.

Also she had the regular ring projectile standing upright in mk4. It had nice particle effects and when it hit the opponent I believe it I remember correctly it splattered apart. Or maybe that was mk 3. But in any case she stood up. It wasn't this low ring shot.

I prefer the standing one also, but wouldn't mind if she kept the low one also.

Also loved the interaction between Sonya and Jax. Let's pray the mk team keeps it brother and sister and does not ever hint at a romantic story.

I do wish that they wouldn't continually play up the Sonya is a loner and Jax always reminds her to not go it alone angle. Mk annihilation did it and this game played with it, I don't need to keep experiencing this angle. Although it was handled perfectly in this game, just a little reminder from Jax, nothing more. Now let's drop this from future games. We know the Sonya/Jax dynamic now. Let's develop it beyond that story now.

Queve you said you weren't surprised that Kitana didn't get her own story chapter? I am a little surprised to hear that. After Sonya she is the most popular female and in the interest of her fans and diversity I thought for sure she would get her own chapter. Especially when her gameplay footage came out and it was so good. The mk team seemed to also take a special interest in restoring her to her previous glory also.

What made you think she would get overlooked.?

Also I really like Wonder Woman's moveset. I like her special moves very much. It kind of gives you an idea where they could go with Sindel in future game and how they could work her flying abliites into her special moves. Potentially sweet.

I have heard WW isn't very good tier wise and I admit I don't use her much, but I still think she is fun.

Not a big fan of Catwoman in this game though. Looks alright, has some cool looking moves, just doesn't feel good to me.

I do wish that she was dressed in black and not purple and that her top was zipped completely up though. Just like her Will Pfeifer series that just concluded. It was one of the best comics on the market period. I was not a big fan of the character, but that series was so damn good it won me over. I recommend it if you read comics at all.

Also I hear a lot of fans say that they like her voice in this game. That is one thing I completely disagree on. It has this weird Eartha Kitt vibe mixed with Adrienne Barbeau from the Batman animated series. Horrible.

I love Adrienne Barbeau from Batman the animated series. She is the ideal Selina Kyle for me. I also love MIchelle Pfeifer. I just found Catwoman's voice to be somewhat comical in this game.

In Sonya'a chapter when she comes up and says "I'm Catwoman" real groggily I groan every time. Then I deeply enjoy beating her ass into the ground with Sonya! Yeah I do love that!

yeah she really didn't have ANYTHING in that game that made her sonya. MK4 sonya had a fantastic look and it clearly inspired the MKvsDC outfit which isn't a bad thing at all.
also i think that ring toss that kind of fell apart was in MK3 but i never really played MK4 enough to know if it was in that game too.

jax never seemed like a different character to me. this jax seems like the MKDA jax to me with only thing omitted is him saying aaahhh yeaaah which i don't think makes him ghetto or a thug. just kind of silly. although i will admit that his look is better, before he seemed to just kind have a bunch of parts put together with no uniformity. i think that his look was a big upgrade.

but i also agree that in every single game i don't want to see jax reminding sonya that she needs to calm down and be less impulsive. it was made clear before now and now we've seen that dynamic i'd also like to see the other aspects of their friendship explored.

talking about catwoman for a sec...she's interesting. i mean not to play with lol but she does have this BTAS/Eartha Kitt thing going on but it's a mix i enjoy. my favorite catwoman of all time is eartha kitt with BTAS catwoman coming in a close second. the only thing i really don't like is how far down her zipper goes. i even like the purple because that's what she frequently wears in the comics. her and a superman i think have had the best visual transition from comic to game.

I've probably pick Sonya in more matches now than I ever have previously. She's definitely more fun to play with this time around. More importantly, I've had more victories with her in this installment than any other. :P

As for the character itself, I'm still not crazy about her, but if you knew why I played MK in the first place, you'd see she was never really a "favorite character" candidate to begin with (for me, that is). Artistically, MK is a boiling pot of a number of things: Western Philosophy meets Asian Philosophy, Arcane meets modern, and on top of all of that, fantasy meets realism. Since the fantasy element was the fishing hook that... er... hooked me, I'm naturally going to be into the more magic-driven characters, such as Subzero or Shinnock. The only reality-grounded character that really impacted me was Kabal, and even he fell from grace because of his shitty MKD story.

Note to Vogel: If a character derives morality and conviction from personal suffering, and ideological conversion to nihilism makes no sense. Minus ten points from Gryffindor.

As for the large breasts, I have no complaints. MK has always had a colorful exotic presentation. It means dragons, but it also means boobs. It's what the world would look like from the perspective of a Suburban 15-year-old boy. In a purely fantasy or purely realistic context, this wouldn't work, but being that MK has sewn it's own signature presentation, I find no fault in making the women very sexual in appearance. Also, some of the scantlyness makes sense. Different cultures contain different levels of excepted nudity. I could totally believe that in Edenia it's a convention to leave your thighs and shoulders bare.

But Predator's right about the collar; that was just tasteless. Also, they could have kept her revealing without making her costume so minimal. The white shirt thing is kinda bland.

Ohhhhhhhh. Now that you’ve elaborated, I can safely say: I AGREE.

It must still be remembered that MKDA cut down every-single character in terms of special moves. Rayden lost his torpedo, Scorpion only kept the spear, Johnny Cage only kept his shadow kick, Kitana only had the fan lift, etc. The majority lost all of their classic moves and kept up to 3. Strangely, new comer Li Mei was very well benefited, and Sub-Zero was one of the few who actually got 3 specials I think.

MKDA gave her the kiss, which brilliantly stayed with her as one of her best and now a signature trademark, but you are right, MKA brought back the wave punch and the MK4 fire ball, but they were already stolen by others, and the kiss in MKD with the lame mistake they made with the awesomeness that Kira can be.



Exactly. Problem is that we love MK as a MK game that we wanted more of the characters in there, but the DC heroes and villains “took” their place. The number of characters in the game is good, the problem is that it’s not enough from either side. Thankfully, it was so well balanced that in a way it can be accepted even if we still feel it empty.



For sure. Johnny Cage would had seriously rocked in this game. They got him soooo perfectly in MKSM that I wouldn’t had been surprised to see him shine in the same splendor as Joker and Sonya did in this game.



They’ve learned from the mistakes of their first 2 adventure games (specially SF). It would rock.



In Mk4 she has a high hit projectile that looks more like a fire ball that explodes with a very cool whirlwind style. Yeah, a high ring toss followed by a low pro move one would had rocked.



Agreed!

Indeed, his new costume makes him stand out soooo much. And I love how realistic he looks. Its awesome. His story chapter is also one of my faves, because he was portrayed so well and the interactions were all fun.



So true. But I do disagree about something. MKDA Sonya, for example, was (until MkvsDC) my FAVORITE Sonya model. Ever. While I’m a huge fan of the sexy pony tail she’s known for, MKDA gave her the best look ever in terms of character representation and personality. IMO, she looked sexy, but also very tough and very intimidating. Best outfits ever for Sonya (until MKvsDC of course).

MKDA set in stone (for real) what Sonya should look like and act like. But I do admit her MK4 look was amazing, just not as amazing as MKDA (I will gladly take the hat and pony tail back though, that was wicked, and a remake of that sexy top as well).



Actually, her MK4 was more like a projectile attack that exploded with a very cool whirlwind effect. It was high, but not a ring toss. The ring toss that splattered around the room in small rain-like particles was in Mk3. In Mk4 it spins around like a whirlwind though, which looked pretty cool.



Dear God NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That would be horrible (unless they can actually pull it off but I’m totally against that).

Best friends thing rocks. NOW, if they want to give her a man, no better dude then Johnny Cage for the job.

I was seriously hoping to see something. I know the hints haven’t really been that canon for the games, but there has been enough to suggest SOMETHING could possibly happen. And I would love it if done.



With any luck, they will continue his MKA story/ending (which I’m sure was affected by his MKunchanied story and ending as well, and which was even recreated in his MKvsDC ending) and make this two best friends enter a conflict they never thought they would be forced into.



That was back in the age of Dinosaurs.

With the way they’ve advanced and improved with their story/adventure games, we could actually get a very cool decent project.



I rather not say something that might be misinterpreted by others and create unnecessary conflict. So, I will try to sum it up by saying that I wasn’t surprised because Kitana is one of those characters that is well known for either being last or a next last addition. Mk3, Mk4, MkD, MkA, MkvsDC are all prove of that. But by that, I am NOT saying she is a bad character. SHE IS awesome people so don’t bit e my head off!

Kitana would have surely done well with a chapter, but so would had Baraka and Kano, alongside Catwoman and Deathstroke.

Wonderwoman barely got any decent gameplay footage and her gameplay is actually bad, but she still got a chapter because she is very important storywise inside this game and her own world, same with Sonya. Gameplay footage has little to do with that, I think. And you can even see the way she and Sonya were teamed in the Kollectors edition kover and the info videos we got in the special disk. I guess they thought of these two as the ones who disserved the chapters the most, and as much as I love it for Sonya, in a way it sucks because I feel all the female should had been exploited more in the story and the game because there were so few of them. Specially Catwoman, who showed excellent potential imo!

The little (which was actually not so little) we saw of her was superb.



I’m glad you mention that because both Sindel and Mileena would had been terrific additions for this game.



Cool! Thanks!

As for the character, I thought she was perfect in the story mode. And her look is superb. And this is coming from someone who disliked with huge passion those ugly goggles she wears. I was disappointed because I wanted a very pale Pfeifer Catwoman from the old Batman movie. 100% leather black cat suit. But, after seeing her gameplay and stuff....wow. The choices they made for Catwoman were definitely for the best.

The boob thing doesn’t bother me at all because she is known for that image since forever. The comics represent her like that as well. So the Zipped thing was cool and suits her, just like it suits Mileena.



For real?????

Even after the fantastic quote she says about the security of the MK team being “more pathetic then the Gotham Museum”?????? She was brilliant.



Exactly.

Its got a cool sexy British vibe with the whole Eartha Kitt voice style AND her own thing going on. It rocks.

I repeat, that quote up there is one of her bets moments.



OK. I guess that was a bit weird, but, isn’t that Catwoman right there playing dumb and sexy?




WOW, really?

This Jax has awesome personality. But to be fair, we didn’t really get much of his personality before. Those ghetto things were implied, sure, but they didn’t really made him ghetto like you say, but it DID help create a vision of a bad stereotype.



YAY!!!! Like I said, imagine the MKA story/ending of Jax coming true.

This was obviously hinted again in MKvsDC in his own ending. Its basically the same idea, but with a twist.



I 99% agree with you.

That 1% is for the zipper thing. I think it suits her. And hasn’t Catwoman been portrayed like this in the comics as well?



OMG!!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Man, that was HILARIOUS!!!!!

And btw, I 100% agree with you. THAT was my main and only and major complain about Kabal in MKD. I mean, WTF.....he went back to “bad” because of........nothing?

So annoying. Still, I have a huge love for Kabal and I hope that if he ever returns they fix the mistake they did with him in MKD.

Good points on Sonya btw, I disagree with some, but those I have already given my opinion about above.

In response to your Sonya points Queve, let me see if I can hit them all real quick.

1. Until mk vs dc I think the mkda Sonya model was also my favortie too. I just like the mk3, mk4, and mk vs dc outfits better. However we both agree that the baseball cap and ponytail were beyond awesome and should return.

2. Loved her personality in mkda and mka. Definitely can't give the mk team enough credit for making her tough, sexy, authoritative, and intimidating without her coming across as a total unlikable bitch. Great job mk team!

So many movies and tv series today try this combo and fail. Their attempts usually end up just having the women come across as a smart ass annoying females that I end up wanting to smack.

Did not get that with Sonya or Kitana for that matter in this game. Her portrayal and character reminds me a lot of Teela in the original Masters of the Universe cartoon series. Tough, noble, and likable.

3. One of my favorite things bar none in mka was the Sonya/Sektor feud. That was sweet and I don't know about you but all I can say is I WANT MORE! Kano is always going to be Sonya's most personal enemy, but there is no doubt the rivalry could use a small break and Sektor being a former Lin Kuei is so much more dangerous than Kano. This would be the biggest challenge for Sonya and Jax.

4. If Sonya were to get a boyfriend I would vote for Stryker. I love his revamped look in mka. Cage is too much of a light weight to me. Stryker was portrayed serious and cool in the mkdotr cartoon. I could see him joining the OIA and becoming a full member of the team. I would prefer not to follow a Sonya romance story though.

5. Thanks for reminding me which game had the rings splattering like liquid. I couldn't remember for sure. I like that idea and would like it to return.

Now as for my views on Catwoman, let me try to explain a little more to both you and Oracle why I wasn't so fond of this version so you can understand where I am coming from.

First off I didn't hate this version, I just had several problems with it.

1. Let me state that I like her dialogue. Especially the line that Queve reminded me about above. The line about the OIA security being more pathetic than the Gotham museum. One of the funniest lines in the game to me. Especially since I am a huge Batman fan.

It isn't the dialogue or her portrayl that I had a problem with. As a matter of fact they were pretty spot on. Unlike Sonya, Catwoman was a smart ass bitch. That is a big part of her character. Female empowerment gone bad. It works.

It is the voice actor I had a dislike for. I don't mind the Eartha Kitt Catwoman. It is really cheesy and bad in a good way. I don't think it fit this game though. Eartha Kitt while having some charm, just reminds me of the campy 60's series when I want a serious character instead.

Also after Michelle Pfeifer and Adrienne Barbeau in Batman the animated series those are the only 2 Catwoman voices I hear in my head. Strong, sultry, but with an underlying layer of steel in it.

2. Oracle you stated that you liked the purple costume because that is what she frequently wears in the comics. You are partially correct. She used to wear a purple catsuit in the 90's. The outfit she is wearing in mk vs dc is the outfit, goggles and all, pretty much what she is wearing in the comics now. The only real difference being that it is black.

queve you stated that you want an all leather black catsuit like in Batman Returns. I agree except that is sort of like what she wears now. Imagine the outfit she has on now in the game but all black. That is how the outfit in the game is supposed to be colored.

When asked most people will say they want a black leather suited Catwoman like in Batman Returns like you just did Queve. That is why it is somewhat puzzling to me that the mk team didn't just color the current costume black. I like the alt better, but it still isn't black.

3. I mentioned the Will Pfeifer Catwoman series that just ended at 94 issues I think (Ed Brubaker started the series though), that series was so fun and good that I can't help think about it as I type this. It was so good that it has become the definitive take on Catwoman for me. He nailed the Selina Kyle character. I mention that because I can't imagine her voice sounding like the voice actor in this game.

4. Catwoman in the 90's, especially the Jim Balent illustrated series (which I am also a big fan of. I own a signed #1 issue of that series) made Catwoman synonymous with gigantic boobs and the costume so tight it looked like it was spray painted on. Like Taki from Soul Calibur. What the Brubaker/Pfeifer series did was take the character of Selina Kyle an establish a more realistically proportioned figure. She no longer has watermelons on her chest.

The mk team took the Brubaker/Pfeifer costume and look, colored it purple like the 90's version, crammed the Jim Balent big breasted figure into it, and then mixed the 60's Eartha Kitt accent with the sound of the 90's Batman the animated series Adrienne Barbeau.

It is this weird mixture of elements that is off putting to me. Again not horrible, just strange. I would have preferred all of one version not a mixture several. I don't want to sound too negative here because that wasn't my intention. I just didn't like her voice or look as much as Sonya or Raiden, or Batman, or Wonderwoman. It's cool that you guys obviously enjoyed her so much. I enjoy her some too, just not as much as you guys apparently.


Lastly TemperaryUserName:

Ten points from Gryffindor. (?)

Hahahahhahahahhahahahhahahha.......gasps for breath....hahahahahahahahahhahaahhahahhaahah!!!

I loved that. Maybe I'm too tired right now but that was witty and funny. Great.

One guess which house Reptile would belong to.

Kabal is one of my favorite characters and I freakin love his mkd alt. I thought it was a little abrupt and out of character for him to just turn evil again too. I didn't know anybody else felt that way. I don't mind if they are going to bring him back and run with him in charge of the Black Dragon because that could be potentially cool. Sonya and Jax vs Kabal and KIra's new Black dragon could be so awesome I could ignore the abrupt character change. If they aren't going to bring him back then they should have left him a good guy.

P.S. I choose to forget his mksm appearance. Horrible voice acting on Kabal.

that's understandable about catwomans voice. i just seem to hear eartha kitt whenever i read something catwoman says even though i can't imagine selina kyle sounding anything like kitt if that makes sense.

yeah black leather catwoman definitely has lots of fans. but i guess growing with 90s catwoman puts me in a position to favor the purple suit that i've kind of grown used too. although i must say i'm shocked that blue was chosen as an alt and not black. i was 100% positive that black would've been her alt color so i almost fell off my bed when i saw that it was blue.

sonya's MKDA model huh?

i must admit that i like a lot of things about it. the boots are lovely lol and i do still like the jacket but that hair i guess is what i mainly dislike about it. i think the ideal style for sonya as far as hair goes is the pony tail. to me it manages to be tough yet feminin. if it was longer in MKDA or maybe just in the pony tail that look would be essentially perfect i think.

i know it seems like i'm putting a lot on the hair but that's actually how i recognize sonya.

Oracle I don't find it strange that you put emphasis on her hair. I do the same. Hair color and style are one of the most recognizable features of any human and can tell you a lot about a person. By changing hair colors or styles you can change how a person is perceived pretty quickly.

I liked the mkda model, the stance and proportions and the face wasn't too bad either. Yeah I would have preferred the pony tail to return on that model, maybe as an alt style.

Kitana is the same to me. I liked very much how they gave her long, long hair in mkda. To me it tied her directly to her mother SIndel, since she too had the extra long hair. You could see the same style and family traits present in both of them.

By contrast Mileena, Jade, and Tanya didn't have the long hair, just them.
The one thing that bothers me about mk vs dc was that stupid looking starched ribbon in Kitana's hair.

Queve I though more about your answer to my Kitana question. I was satisfied with your answer, but I don't think that you should worry about saying something that some rabid fan might interpret wrong if it is your honest opinion. You have been thoughtful in your responses and as long as it isn't just hateful or trolling who cares?

I like Kitana very much but I can criticize her if I want. If somebody gets out of line and disrespectful for no reason, just don't answer their posts. I don't. It is harder to be argumentative by yourself and quite frankly no fun. Plus we have admins for to keep that crap under control.

If I misread your response I sorry but I found the first part of your statement to be somewhat cryptic. I don't mind legit criticism of my favorite characters and other fans shouldn't take offense so much. It is only a game. Thanks for the answer though, I appreciate it.

Now, I can finally address a bit of these posts:

Thrawn

1- I also agree with your views on Sonya’s personality. The combo of giving us a tough, deadly, sexy female who can be likable and noble is done extremely well. She can come off as a tough bitch, but a very POSITIVE tough bitch.

2- I loved the whole Sonya VS Sektor thing. Tekunin VS Special Forces is something I was DYING to see ever since they created the concept of the tekunin in MK:U. It was such a brilliant idea, and Sektor has never been cooler and more dangerous.

I want to see more of it, but I also want to see Sonya face something new. Preferably something that challenges her to run away from the SF and get involved in something weird.

3- *Johnny Cage slaps you twice with his fancy million dollar globes and then smacks you with Stryker’s ripped head*

LOL. Don’t get me wrong, Stryker is cool (and yes, he was designed amazingly in MKA), but he and Sonya are NO match. Specially because Cage is still around. If there is ever going to be some serious romance in Sonya’s life, that’s got to be Johnny Cage. They are prefect for each other.

4- As for Catwoman’s voice, I guess you have valid views. But, thankfully, I truly loved and enjoyed her accent and voice. It was just...awesome.

5- As for the Kitana comments. Cool . I can see what you mean and I’m glad to see there are members like you around. We seriously need more like you!!

And yeah, I LOVE her amazing gorgeous hair style in MKDA. They nailed it perfectly with the slim long tied hair. They should had kept that animation and style for MkvsDc, or given her a bun. Seriously.

Oracle

I can see what you mean by the long hair. It was such a drastic change! When I first found out about MKDA and saw the Sonya VS screen picture of E3 I was in shock! Not in a bad way though. It was just too many surprises. I had no idea about a new MK game, and when I found out about it I had all this cool info and pics to digest at once!

I couldn’t believe Sonya had lost her amazingly pretty pony tail, I was shocked to see her with short hair. But the shock wore off strangely quickly after staring at her vs pic more and seeing the in-game pics. I was 100% convinced with the first videos were she was used to promote the game.

I love the short hair, but there is just no doubt that the pony tail IS her best hairstyle ever. Period.

(and don’t forget the sexy bangs MK team!!!!!!!!, those have to comeback forever and ever and ever)

Hey how are you queve? I missed your posts. I just happened to check this forum and saw your post. I am at this moment playing through mk vs dc's story mode again. Damn! I love Sonya and Sub Zero in this game.

Love the bangs on Sonya. I want those to return. I love her neck breaker fatality in this game. One of my favorites in this game. Simple but violently fatal.

The fighting styles in this game though feel a little (emphasis on little) lacking. I think they need 2 or 3 extra basic attacks added to the mix. It doesn't help either that every character in the game shares the same low and jumping attacks as well as throws. I though we had moved beyond that type of laziness. Oh well.

Another thing I noticed was when you fight Baraka and he says "Jax won't save you this time" I kind of just ignored that but upon further reflection I suppose he is directly referring to the events of mksm and mk2. I liked that little touch.

As far as Cage/Stryker goes...baton up the side of the side and a taser to the back.

Stryker is a serious guy dedicated to serving and protecting like Sonya. I think they have a lot in common. I could see Stryker joining the OIA and becoming something like the drill sgt or the guy that trains new recruits or something. Cage is such a lightweight and a joke. He has his fans to be sure. I am fairly indifferent to him myself. I like him sometimes. however.

Johnny Cage is perfect for Sonya except for the fact that he's MALE! lmao

sonya=awsome sonya and scorpion so owns this game

Hey Thrawn! Sorry it took me a while to get back to you, but I'm finally here, haha. I hope you are still around buddy, I love reading your posts.

I absolutely agree on Sonya's new hairstyle. They did an amazing job. I still find it incredible that after the first pic we got of her (Flash VS Sonya), I started to make comments about how I would love to see her with bangs similar to Lara Croft, and then, BOOM, we find out she actually has even better and sexier looking bangs. She looks gorgeous in MKvsDC. By far her best look.

As for her neck breaker fatality, I'm a huge fan of it, but I think it would had been much better if they had shown her whole body/legs spinning the way she does in MK4. I think they failed badly with the camera direction. I repeat: I love the fatality and is one of my favorites, but, I know it would had been better if her body would had also been shown (twisting).

They should definitely go back to the MK4 style fatalities were the camera played the same fatality 3 times from different angles. That was really cool and would work well for A FEW fatalities. It was one of the best things that MK4 introduced. It made the fatalities feel a lot gorier and deadly for some reason. More shocking in a way. Seeing her spin from 3 different angles showing her whole body spin would had been epic for MKvsDC!

Her fight with Baraka was an excellent nod to her confrontation with him during MK:SM. That was a really memorable scene in that game, so, it was great to see her get her revenge on this one. Wicked.

As for Stryker, hehe, I love him, but I still stand with what I said: Johnny Cage would make the better partner 'cause of the very reasons why he and Sonya are so different. A funny match made in heaven (and the MK film/comics/Cage's MKDA ending, hehe)

I honestly hope they keep for MK9 Sonya (+ the future) all the things that made MKvsDC Sonya the perfect MK Babe: special moves, attitude, role in the game, hair style, cool costume, fatalities, etc. That doesn't mean she shouldn't be updated and improved of course, but some things (like her new hair and sexy look/attitude) should stay the same.

Aren't you not supposed to bump threads older than three months?

You're just hating

You've been around here long enough to know better. Thread closed.