In mk1-3 they used actual actors and all the outfits had to be found and pieced together. They had no money. I urge you to keep that in mind. I thought her mk3 look was much improved over her mk1 look even though it is essentially the same outfit.

Also if you look at Sonya from mk1 and mk vs dc side by side you can see what I was refering to. You can tell it is the same character. Slight differences pants not spandex, elbow pads etc. Thematically Sonya's looks have remained fairly consistent. Mkda was the biggest departure.

Personal preference of course. I do think that all of Sonya's subsequent looks have contiually improved on her mk1 appearance. We are in agreement on that sir.

Also, sonya is ont of the most powerful characters in MK vs DC. In her rendrer, she looks like a man but in the game she is perfect. Sonya's 32 hits combo is awesome!(2 2 DB 1, DF 3, While in the air, jump and press 2 for an other pop up (juggle with:) 2,2,2, 22 DB 4 (in air) DB 4(for special move)

Agreed, MK3 was way better, but I may be biased because Kerri Hoskins was such a knockout. I used to have her Playboy pics ages ago. :P

Sonya.....LMAO, she SUCKS!!! There is nothing really good about her at all. She does not own shit. Same 'ol boring moves, which are not that impressive and her fatalities sucked hardcore! She was to effected fatality-wise. The Neckbreaker was a downer and her Kiss of Death was pretty faint. Overall, she is a...washed up, no good for nothing Trash Bag. How do people like her, geez.

^ My personal opinion about Sonya "Dumb Blonde" Blade!

Used to JayboH?

Yeah, I doubt I could find them, but since then I've married and moved on.

I actually got one of my questions answered in her Q+A sessions at this one website. I thought that was awesome because I live in southern WI and she and Midway are in Chicago.

This coming from the same guy that said MKA was a better game because of the gore, after admitting MKvsDC has better gameplay...

Gameplay and Gore fall under two different catagories!

Sonya still f*cking sucks! She always did, and always will!

Hehe, don’t worry man. I got your point, somehow, I still feel it’s something risky, but then again, if he is NEVER to return again, ever...then you have a point. That is such an awesome move that shouldn’t be lost and thrown out. But what about Kung Lao? It would make more sense for Sonya I guess, who also “honored” him in MKDA when he died by performing a similar fly kick, but it would also make sense for Kung Lao in a way.

Whatever the case, you are right in something: such an awesome move should never be lost. I guess I just prefer Sonya getting new special moves or awesome variations of her classics instead of moves (as awesome as they are) from other characters.



She looks fantastic in MKSM. I loved how they played with her outfit to give it a MKDA and MK3 feeling. The black tight shirt was awesome, and the jacket was wicked cool. I loved the colors as well, plus the hairstyle, which was pretty. Nothing like her MKvsDC looks though.

Freakin hot!



OMG!!! I LOVED THAT!

It was such a cool touch from the Mk team. That was a very good idea and a very fun thing to watch. It can’t be a coincidence that they made her face the mutant in this game. It was obviously a nod to the mksm cutscene with Sonya teaching Baraka whose the real boss. Payback time.



So true.

I love it how in every-single-game she always feels new, fresh and like they paid close attention to her design.



Not at all. Plus, she’s always had massive milk cannons.

Thing is, she was very much portrayed in such a Lara Croft way that she can easily be viewed as the Lara Croft of MK.

Anyway, she could be with smaller boobs and no one would give a crap about that. She would still look like the best of all thanks to her fantastic design. That hair style, face AND outfit make her flawless.



Hehehehehe.

SOOOO good they finally heard the fans and brought back all her amazing moves.



I say she should keep them and we should all be proud of the babe for having those that big and 100% natural! (they can’t be fake, look at them, they move!)

LOL, since there are jerks out there, I should just flat out say IM KIDDING. Just in case someone takes that too seriously.



This is the only thing I’ve been reading from you that I disagree with. There is no way she looks the same. Essentially, MOST of the characters look the same with “different variations”. Just to give a fine simple example: Scorpion. And yet, he has never looked the same...at all. I actually love him in mkvsdc, and this is coming from someone who got easily bored with the ninja. He looks and plays fantastic.

Shang Tsung is one of those very few who looks SUPER DRASTICALLY different in some games. Sonya, for example, looks drastically different in all her games (overall), because she always gets a new design, but never as drastic as Shang Tsung. He gets to the point where he could be unrecognizable (Mk1, Mk2, MkDA).



Perfect, indeed.



Kerri Hoskins is probably one of the best things to ever happen to MK. Lol.



LOL. Its pretty obvious why she has so many fans and why so many people like her, even within the development team. Its because of all of the things she has that you think she doesn’t and that she sucks for. But its your opinion, so, *shrugs*. We are all just happy they made her so flawless.



Wait, really??....wow. LMAO.



We all know they fall under 2 different categories, but, it sounds like you are still saying gore makes the game better.

On Sonya, thats funny, becuase most fans and the MK team would dissagree with you. Veyr much.

But like I said, you are entitled to your opinion.

No, she doesn't look exactly the same, just thematically. I know roughly how she is going to look in each game. The only question is what interesting tweaks in design is she going to get. I know she never looks exactly the same.

Your point about Scorpion I think confirms mine. Scorpion thematically always looks about the same. But he has different variations. If he showed up in bermuda shorts with a pitchfork then I would say thematically he changed.

I was only saying that her look in mk1 is still there in the current design in spirit. The outfit is different but all of her subsequent designs have all drawn from the mk1 outfit in some way or another stylistically.

Probably my fault for not explaining myself better.

Sort of like the Jedi in the prequels. Compare Anakin, Obi wan, Mace, Yoda, Qui Gon Ginn. All of their outfits are slightly different but they all draw from the same elements. If you stood them all side by side you could easily tell they all belonged to the same group.They all share some of the same characteristics. Apples and oranges though. Maybe I am just not explaining myself well enough, but either way if you don't see what I'm saying or agree it's all good. We both agree Sonya rocks.

Well I wouldn't put her that high up. But they do deserve a good handful of props for her in this game.

1. Was the render. Now, I understood the concept, so I defended the render from that aspect. But after looking back at the thing? It's a poor representation of Sonya. It's "eugh"...She looks like a man in the render. Sonya's still my no.1//2 Mk chick, but that was just bad.

2. Was the in-game models. Which worked alot better. It's almost as if they should have shown that first or something. Overall she looks way better in the game for a couple reasons. Both because of non-related contributions to the character modeling process of the character.

One, being because the voice actor was perfect. And two, being because there wasn't alot of behavior we could pick up from the Mo-cap people that would sway left or right as far as good or bad. "She made her appearances"....or "She made adequate appearances". That's how I'd probably put it in the end.

Wasn't about textures, or clothing choices, and any of that stuff. See? But, the worst thing about the presentation was the combination of the man-face, tied in with the fact that they made her with the intent of bringing attention to alot of unnecessary.....stuff. That shirt, and those "boobs" is unnecessary. Tanline, choke chain, and all the aggressive accents (pads and so on), don't balance out the softness they tried to establish with the short shirt, the skin, and the boobs.

3. Was the Gameplay. To me, it looks like queve had his way with her here. Which is fantastic to say the least. She got everything she was supposed to have, and for all intents and purposes....she worked. If she's gonna be there, what else could you ask for from her eh?

On the flip side though, I felt like the stuff they did give her was un-inventive. I mean like, it didn't look fresh, but it felt fine because the rest of the game felt fine. I liked her pro moves, and I liked stringing up her combos to a certain extent. Past that extent, just like the rest of the game, it feels boring, and not worth the trouble.

4. Was the Story mode appearances. She was one of the only ones who sounded and acted like we know she is supposed to. Which btw, isn't all the way good or bad. For the good:

- She looked like Sonya
- she sounded like Sonya
- She acted like Sonya

For the bad:

- She was vocally stiff
- She was mentally immature
- She was a typical, run of the mill "hard-ass chick".

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So essentially, they did a great job of refurbishing the MK1---uum maybe through Mk4 Sonya. Which was par for this presentation so I'm no where near upset with that. Ultimately though, she was slightly above a let-down. Just because she was only the Sonya I remember from 12 or so yrs ago.

They did good on Sonya in this game. That would be my bottom line.

For some reason, Sonya is able to IMMEDIATELY catch with her upward bicycle kick, despite the distance form the beginning of the round. Doesn't even have to step forward or anything.

Well Predator I'll agree with the unnecessary choke chain. It didn't really detract for me but given my druthers I wouldn't have had it either.

Again ditto on toning down the breast size and maybe lengthening the shirt a little. I felt some of that was unnecessary with Sonya. Sonya is supposed to be a sexy character but emphasizing it shouldn't be the main selling point with her. I don't think they over did it with this game, just tone it down maybe one notch.

A character with Mileena all that would absolutely be okay and necessary. Mileena is all about enticing you with her grace and body to lull you into a false sense of security and before she eats your face.

I can she Tanya also using her feminine wiles as part of her presentation to her advantage. Sexy, seducer trying to get in close to learn your secrets and then betray you

Agree also with the manly render. The face was a littly butch, but in game and in cutscenes all that became a nonfactor. Just not the best render.

I think I know where you are coming from with the boring factor also. There is just not a lot to the game. No team battle, no endurance, no tournament. Sonya was done near perfect, but the game still is a little boring after a while.

Adding about 4 more characters and alt costumes for the mk ones would have helped. I have been pacing myself seriously with this game. I finished all the story mode in a couple of days, I was working at the time so I dragged it out and i just finished arcade mode with everybody a few days ago. I am now actually experimenting with my favorite characters Sub-Zero, Scorpion, Sonya, Raiden, Shang Tsung, and Kitana.

I hope we get dlc soon. This game is good but it does feel a little empty to me. Mk2 on the other hand I remember playing it until mk3 came out nonstop and the same with umk3 and trilogy until mk4 came out. I don't see this one holding my interest for another 2 years until mk9 comes out.
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meh - her ass sucks, her legs are rubbery looking and her face still looks like a man

This guy above me even knows that Sonya sucks!

*queve*- I said the only reason that MKA is good, is because it has gore. Now, MKvsDC has better gameplay. There you happy?

The MK Team sucks just as much as Sonya does. They have not made an original decent game in ages. Now, if they redeem themselves with MK9, I will gladly take back what I said about them. But if MK9 turns out to be anything like most of the prior MK only games, then I give up.

I didn't like the blood effects in mkda, mkd, and mka. I felt they over did it with the blood slightly. I hated how you could hit somebody and these gigantic globs of blood would run down your legs.

I found that I would often play with the blood turned down slightly. I love my blood and gore, don't get me wrong Green Lantern, I just would prefer if it was done slightly more realistically. Not so over the top. I like the mk4 style really well.

Mk vs dc has almost no blood. That I do not like. It has the violence but without the blood it is definitely missing something. It does feel neutered.

Stop instigating before I hit the eject button. Geez...

I don't have a problem with your perspective (even though I do disagree), but you're baiting one user.

I wondered when this thread would show up and I knew Queve would be at the helm. And I gotta say queve, I agree. Sonya was done wonderfully in this game. I was very impressed.


MKvsDC is still a horrendous concept but at least my girl was given the loving treatment she deserves.

I just hate it when women in video games always have massive knockers and guys look like they've been pumping roids for the past 5 years.

Yeah that upward bicycle kick has RIDICULOUS range, like it's broken in fact. It would be like if they gave Ryu a dragon punch that could hit you from 6 feet away from your body.

Hey buddy! Its so good to see you around here.

Yep, I’m glad to see you agree as well. Seriously, Sonya fans all over the world can rejoice with how wonderfully she was portrayed, created and designed for the game. She is fantastic.

I’m curious to know, which are your favorite scenes? Was there something you maybe would have changed?



Thrawn, I have to say I LOVE reading your posts. You write coherently and you voice your opinion in a very cool interesting way. I really like your posts.

Anyway, on the blood thing, I agree with you. I love the blood in the floor and explosions in MKDA, but the huge worm-like blood running down the victims buddy was weird.

Strangely though, in MKvsDC, I haven’t missed the blood...at all. I think its not just me though. I’ve also read comments of people who actually enjoy the game so much that the excess of blood goes unnoticed. I DO wish they had more exaggerated blood, it’s a shame it was town down so much, BUT at the same time, I have so much fun that I just forget it lacks the beautiful gore the game is supposed to have.

Hmmmm. I still think they could had gotten away with more violence then the one they presented. Arent there more violent T games out there?




Wow, awesome post Pred!! Good job on your views and points.


I think its ridiculous how they have always managed to sort of screw the faces of the females ever since MKDA, ONLY in the renders (with a few exceptions in-game, of course). It really isn’t THAT hard to get the idea on how female features should work! Most of the models look fantastic in-game (ever since mkda), but in their renders, there is always something that’s missing. I personally feel that in MKDA Sonya, Nitara and Frost had excellent faces in their renders, but Li Mei looked horrible for example. Kitana looks good with the mask but horrible in her alt render pic.

And you can actually see they have the talent! Look at Wonderwoman, she looks horrible and like an ugly old lady with loads of Botox in her render, BUT, in the amazing extra one they released of her: She looks perfect! Gorgeous!

Sadly, She is one of the few characters in MkvsDC that looks sort of weird and not too pretty in her in-game model, but she doesn’t look that bad in-game thankfully. She looks decent enough, not as ugly as in her render, but not as pretty as she looks in the other concept arts of her.

They messed up with Sonya on the jaw/chin making her look too manly, but it was never as bad as some loved to think it was. Thankfully, she looks absolutely stunning in-game, in the extra concept art pics, etc. Just perfect. Just as Sonya is supposed to look.



They actually did. Remember the famous Sonya VS Flash pic?



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I disagree. Isn’t her model one of the most praised? Maybe I misunderstood you, but her success also has to do with her cool and gorgeous design, most definitely.



Now I really disagree here, but I can see where you are coming from. I personally think it was perfectly balanced, reason why I had no complains, even with the beret which at first I kept saying should be thrown off. The pads, choke chain, etc., were all excellent additions that gave her presence, coolness and toughness. I don’t think they were unnecessary at all. In fact, they are what make her look so cool!

The tanline was even said to be a fantastic bit of trivia/touch from the team for the fans. That was a very cool thing that the team did! I love how they pay attention to those details. They could had easily given her a thong or not given her a thong at all. That would had been more simple.

Now, the huge Lara Croft boobs, that’s something I can totally agree and understand, but since she is not half naked, I guess there are no complains from me. I love them, lol. She looks hot.

Now, if she was walking around with those and wearing the shirt the way she looks like when she is beaten up, then I PROMISE you I would be the first fan in line to complain. Because that’s just not Sonya. She is the decent babe of MK. Sexy, but always decent.



Yay!

I’m soooooo pissed that they took away all of her classics moves in MKDA and had the nerve to say “its because of the new fighting styles system” when they clearly gave Li Mei her Cartwheel attacks, and not to mention that in MKD and MKA she could had very well been given her classic moves back.

I must say, it was an excellent strategy from them to do that. They made us wait for MKvsDC to please the fans. Its pretty obvious they didn’t give her the moves she should had gotten in MKA because they were saving them for this game.

It was worth the game.



Well said!



Interesting. I still say its an excellent addition, and, didn’t she have this in MKDA-MKA?



Well, they’ve always had her as sex symbol in the games (Kerri Hoskins, the MK4 model, the thong in MKDA, etc), but the cool thing is that despite the huge sexiness, she is always decent looking. I love that.

Like I said, if Sonya had been walking around half naked, or like that concept art they made of her in a thong and army jacket, then yes, I would 150% agree with you guys and be the first in line to complain.



The one thing that was a HUGE failure for me about this game, was the lack of special unlock able content. I want the huge MKDA krypt bacl.

They should had at least forced us to unlock some of the characters, earn concept art pieces, etc.

Oh well. Hopefully the dlc is going to be fun.

Imagine more dl chapters for the new characters. OMG, that would be sweet! (prays for Johnny Cage, Mileena, Poison Ivy and Black Canary).



You did great. I get what you mean.



That’s almost every videogame sadly.

I agree males shouldn’t look like big body builders. Slim thin male fighters would be an awesome change imo.

And females with huge boobs such as Ivy are TOO much imo. Sonya has them big, but no where near as exaggerated as that!

She is more like Lara is now days.



Thats true. Could it be a broken move?



Like I said, slim skinny male fighters would be a nice change imo.

As for the bicycle kick, it does have huge range. Could it be borken?

Its so much fun though, specially with the pro kick. Soo cool.

My favourite scene was either when Sonya kicked both Capt. Marvel and the Green Lantern's asses or when she decked the Joker. That was really cool. I think she was done almost flawlessly in game. I love that she has all her moves (well almost all of them anyway) and she feels great to play as. I guess I could wish that she was top-tier like before but it doesn't really matter. She's still very comfortable to play as.

Eh I thought she was just ok. Probably the best female in the game, but still she is just ok. I do like her Kiss of Death fatality though.

She is indeed loads of fun to play, which is great. Especially now that they gave her back all her trademarks (+ the new one which is outstanding).

What did you think about her scenes with Jax? I personally LOVED her interactions with her best friend because it felt really natural and sincere. The part when she apologizes for fighting him, and when she is all playful with him when he is telling her they have to work as a team, etc. I loved those.

And I thought her ending suited her soooo well. I mean, who better then Sonya to earn the rights of that ring? She is all about those awesome positive qualities that make you worthy of a ring and of real friends. Its bvery cool.



Loved the Kiss of Death. Would had been awesome if they would had turned into ashes in the end though.

A nice awesome touch.

Well first off Queve let me thanks for the nice things you said above about my posts. I myself have enjoyed conversing immensely with you on this thread. I like your opinions and commentary. I also have greatly enjoyed the civility and respect you have shown your fellow posters (Even the ones that don't agree with you.) Some other posters haven't been as polite to differing opinions.

You have started a rather intelligent discourse on one of my favorite mk characters. And in a thread titled Sonya fuc*ing owns that was a pleasant surprise.

In regards to your above response about my critique of the lack of blood and gore you asked if there were more violent T rated games out there. I suspect that there are but this is Mortal Kombat and that is a title that carries with it household recognition.

ESRB knows the name and are more likely to be a little more nit picky with a Mortal Kombat game. I think Ed Boon did state more or less to the effect that the ratings board was pretty lenient with them but it is still a mk game.

I liken it to the standards Walmart uses with music cds. They censor new and popular releases but not older less well known stuff. If you buy the new Metallica or Rob Zombie stuff it's censored, but the old Pink Floyd stuff has F**ck in it. It isn't on their radar.

The only way to get a slightly bloodier and gorier game (and that's all I want really is just slightly) I am afraid mk would have to go full M-rated. That has never been a problem before and I don't think it is now. I just think Midway wrongfully compromised with DC on this issue.

Also agree with Keith that watching Sonya kick both Green Lantern's and Captain Loser's asses was awesome. Sonay, Sub Zero, Scorpion, and Joker's story chapters were the best thing about the game. So happy as a mk fan.

Sub Zero beats Batman for crying out loud. Comic books crown jewel. Batman. In the bat cave. Sonya slacks both Green Lantern and Capt Loser. Scorpion beats Superman and Wonder Woman the other 2 crown jewels of DC comics. DC should be applauded for that.

As a Kitana fan also I was disappointed in her story participation. I was so looking foward to her story chapters. That was one of the biggest disappointments to me. But at least I did get Sonya who I like better than Kitana. I love Kitana, just like Sonya better.