What do you mean "Sektor playing such a huge part in the storyline"? I mean I was under the impression that Subzero killed Sektor for the amulet, I may be wrong.

Well, his bio in MKTA was the following.

"Sektor's programming had had become corrupted during his many violent battles with Outworld Forces. His new objective was to eliminate the inferior Grand Master of the Lin Kuei and to control the clan himself. He succeeded in slaying
the former leader, but was prevented from acquiring the powerful dragon medallion by Sub-Zero, who defeated Sektor in an intense battle. Sektor thenfled to Japan to form his own clan of cybernetic ninjas."

Cheesy, I know. But yeah, he's still alive. Credit and Kudos go to the guy who was awesome enough to write the entire history for MK on gamefaqs. That man deserves a medal.

My bad, I never played TA.

I doubt the creaters of MKDA didnt care much about smoke, as I think he is one of the main characters of mortal kombat. I just think that They thought it wasn't time for him to return.

outworld222 Wrote: I doubt the creaters of MKDA didnt care much about smoke, as I think he is one of the main characters of mortal kombat. I just think that Thye thought it wasn't time for him to return.

I agree. With smoke's ending in mk3, he should come in sort of unexpectly.

I would really want to believe that they're just waiting for the right time to bring back Smoke, but it seems they would have kept him in the story at least if this were the case. But time will hopefully prove me wrong.

cmon...hook sektor up

Sure, smoke will probably come back! He did not die or anything! HE BETTER BE BACK!
Also, I want sektor to kick some ASS! I liked him WAY better than cyrax! He had those nasty rockets! they should give him a BIG BIG gun now

I think the reason Smoke was left out of MKDA and MKTE was because the MK team felt Cyrax and Sektor just fit the story better, and they didn't want to overdo it with characters that look exactly the same. Also, I think MK Gold gave them more definitive "personalities;" Smoke may have been given more of a personality than Cyrax and Sektor in MKT, but it just wasn't as deep as MK Gold, because MKG gave them FMV endings. I guess seeing a character interacting in FMV movies does a lot for characterization.

Well, I wouldn’t mind Smoke to return, but HE MUST be very different from the other Cyborg with unique powers and specials, and of course, not a pallet swap.

I’m pretty sure we will see a lot more of Sektor, since his ending in MKTE has lots of potential and it’s a very big threat to everyone. I thought the Tekunin idea was very cool.

As for Cyrax, I’m also sure he will be back; I only hope he gets his story changed a little and has to deal with Sektor. It would be cool at the end, to see Smoke and Cyrax join forces to destroy Sektor and his army or robots.

TemperaryUserName Wrote: With Sektor playing such a huge part in the storyline now, I think it's pretty much official. I believe that by now, all the cyborgs have re-discovered their souls. Both Sektor, Cyrax(obviously), and Smoke have all demonstrated choice, and have strayed from their programming. Going under the idea, "I think, therefore I am," it seems clear by now that these characters are no longer mindless tools. Sektor has also demonstrated a thirst for power and a form of ambition. He desired the amulet, and almost obtained it if it weren't for subzero. I seriously doubt a empty-minded cyborg had enough power of thought to betray the Lin Kuei and start his own clan. And even though Smokes ending, Subzero's MK3 ending, and human Smoke's MK3 ending are not official, they're all we have to go by. And for the most part, they fit. The only question that remains is why wasn't Smoke in MK:DA, the answer to that is probably because the programmers didn't care too much for him. Anyway, does anyone have any thoughts on this, or disagree?

I must say that you, TemperaryUserName, always bring up interesting points for good discussions.

Anyway, I don't believe that Sektor has a soul because as it said in his bio, he was damaged and corrupted after having to deal with so many outworld guys, so his programming might have just glitched out, like Cyrax did from being stranded in the desert. I don't think that he considers it betraying the clan since he wanted it to succeed and grow in power. Perhaps he believed that a human may not do as good a job as a machine and brought it on himself to upgrade the Lin Kuei by "deleting the old program" and replacing it with his "superior program". As for the formation of the Tekunin, he was always programmed to assassinate Sub-Zero, so maybe the clan he formed is just a way to accomplish an old task that hasn't been removed from his memory, or maybe he still wants to take over the Lin Kuei, so he formed the clan to ensure that the next time he and Sub-Zero face off, the amulet won't mean squat when faced with a number of machines. Logically, there's power in numbers.

As for Smoke, I want him to come back with an entirely new look seperate from Sektor and Cyrax. Although his, Sub-Zero's, and Human Smoke's endings aren't canon, it's still possible that Smoke did keep his soul and was a chosen warrior. He should come back with a look reflecting the humanity he was able to keep for all of these years; I doubt that he's been upgrading himself like Sektor and Cyrax have.

This topic just sparked a question for me: Mortal Kombat seems to be based largely on Chinese and other Asian mythology and religion, as opposed to western religion. But the concept of the soul plays a large part in Mortal Kombat; does Eastern religion include the concept of the soul, or is the soul a uniquely western concept?

Jerrod Wrote: I must say that you, TemperaryUserName, always bring up interesting points for good discussions.

Thanks, man. I appreciate that.

xcarnagex Wrote: This topic just sparked a question for me: Mortal Kombat seems to be based largely on Chinese and other Asian mythology and religion, as opposed to western religion. But the concept of the soul plays a large part in Mortal Kombat; does Eastern religion include the concept of the soul, or is the soul a uniquely western concept?

It depends. The Indian-based religion Hinduism does believe in a soul along with reincarnation. After enough trials through life, if you have obtained true and ultimate purity(nirvana), you step outside the cycle of reincarnation and move on to the ultimate reality.

Budhism is a branch off of Hinduism, and they don't attempt to identify the divine in any specific way. To be honest, Budhism is more of a philosophy than a religion. They see the spirit as an internal essence, not necessarily a ticket to another life. So by our definition, I don't believe Budhist(sp?) believe in a soul.

Shinto, is also spiritual and linked with nature, but beyond that I'm not certain what their views on the afterlife are. Hope this helps.

Just maybe The Mk crew can tie both Classic Subby and Smokes storylines together.

Well They help each other so they can find their way to redepention.

damn that guy who was talkin about sektor over here had some good points, its like that space odysey movie, with that robot killin the guy because the robot thought it was a waste of space or someshit. I'd like to see a crazy ass robot killin everything in mk6, good shit man.

Alright, I think we've gotten a decent amount of opinions, now lets have an overview.

Jerrod, you have a good point about Sektor remaining souless, and there's a good chance it's correct. But no matter what angle you look it, there's one thing we can all agree on: Sektor is changing over the course of time. Right now he may be the product of corrupt programming, but in my opinion, that's just the first step in his evolution.

You see, I'm writing a fanfic write now covering the alliance of Smoke and Subzero, and in the story you briefly get to meet Cyrax and Sektor before they are automated. It's in now way canon for the actual story, but in my fanfic Cyrax was good while Sektor was quite vile. The way I portrayed them, the two were complete foils. Cyrax was a loyal Lin Kuei warrior, giving every inch of his service to the Clan. He volunteered because he thought neglecting the Lin Kuei's demand for such would be biting the hand that fed him. Now Sektor, is a different story. He was self-centered assassin, and really didn't care about the clan or the ninjas in it. He was power-hungry, and he volunteered because he thought he was getting a massive upgrade, and to a degree he was.

Sorry for the long-winded post, but what I'm saying is that Sektor has always seemed to be apparently evil. I think even in MK Gold, his inate evil was shinning through in his view of Cyrax, and IMO, the fact that he can even show suspicion might indicate that there is a soul lurking underneath all that metal. Anyway, I think the darkness which was hidden under the his automation process is finally surfacing.

Smoke was always my favorite Cyber-Lin Kuei... I think some history is need about Cyrax and Sektor, about before they were cyborgs, Smoke was friends with Sub-Zero, but little is known about the life Sektor and Cyrax had... I think that if Smoke returns he should be more human looking, not really ninja/lin kuei for his primary costume, some Lin Kuei influences through his uniform maybe, but no mask... several cybernetic implants throughout his body,but far less than Cyrax, like he has been taking the implants out or having them surgically removed to gain more of his humanity... It should explain where smoke has been for the last two games, finding himself or a meaning to his existence on Earth, Outworld, Edenia, or whereever he ended up at the end of MKT... he has known the Lin Kuei all of his life and it betrayed him and then disbanded... he might find out it reformed and that Sub-Zero is Grand Master, possibly giving him some restored confidence in his old clan...
I think a cut scene showing the Lin Kuei would be interesting also... like how they used to be assassins, but now are a force of good... what types of missions they take on and who would pay them to do so... Being thieves and assassins paid well I would think, but undertaking missions of good might not be so pay worthy, of course if Raiden did pay Sub-Zero a visit as in Sub-Zero's MKDA ending, the Lin Kuei might be backed by the gods and train to defend earth, therefore they might not need money as the gods and Raiden would provide for them... just some thoughts.. later

Haha reminds me of Soul Calibur.. " A Tale of Souls and Cyborgs"

Is it just me or do the mk robots look like dr who badguys?