Suicidalities -- reward for doing them?
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posted03/04/2004 01:12 AM (UTC)by
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If anyone has played Samurai Shodown 4, you may remember that pressing b,f,df,d + Start made you kill yourself and lose the round. However, you staarted the next round with a full rage guage, allowing for a super move right off the start of the round.

I notice a lot of people are complaining about suicides in MK:D, but would the MK team just let you lose the match like that without getting something beneficial for doing it? Would really kill the idea of that move if all it was was you dying and nothing more. How about it?
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03/03/2004 05:45 PM (UTC)
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The reward is that your opponent wont get the satisfaction of defeating you.
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03/03/2004 06:05 PM (UTC)
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We'll find out what the reward is when the game is released (or maybe when a certain MK website goes to E3 ;).

My opinion is that since the Krypt/Koffin/Koins system is back, you will probably be given certain koins for doing the move.

And hey, maybe if you do the suicide with EVERY character, that could unlock some other Koffin that was previously unavailable! But I'm thinking way too far into the future on this.
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03/03/2004 06:06 PM (UTC)
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Ok, let's go with that's all there is about it. Let's say you want to rob your opponent out of doing a fatality. Let's look at the possibilities here.

Let's say they make it in MK:D that you don't have the fatality stance any more. All fatalities are back to absolute distance, meaning you have to be the right distance. If the suicides are done with button combinations as simple as fatalites, then you could almost easily pull off the suicide in a situation that the opponent isn't in place fast enough to pull off their fatality before you kill yourself. This, in a way, would make fatalies even more hard, or almost impossible, to pull off if you can't get into place in time.

But lets say to counter this, the button combinations for suicides are more complex than fatalies (somewhat like super moves in SNK games). This would at least give the oppoent the chance to get in place to do the fatality before the victim can correctly pull off the right button movement to do the suicide.

But would they still do it that way if the fatalies aren't distance-dependant, just to make screwing your opponent out of a fatality a bit more difficult. Think about it, your opponent beat you, earns the right to kill you easily, but with a complex button combination done right, you screw him out of it. All that work for nothing.
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03/03/2004 06:15 PM (UTC)
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There'd better be some prize! Having your victory stolen from you is going to cause a lot of fights! lol Being rewarded for it would be great! Although it may not happen as killing yourself is dishonourable. There may bea apenalty for doing so. A loss of a character or a loss of power or koins.
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03/03/2004 06:18 PM (UTC)
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The reward is that your opponent wont get the satisfaction of defeating you.

Man that's gonna be sweet. grin
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03/03/2004 06:24 PM (UTC)
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blackcyborg Wrote:
The reward is that your opponent wont get the satisfaction of defeating you.


Lol! So true.
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Cervantes
03/03/2004 06:31 PM (UTC)
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I have no problem with the idea of Suicidalities, I think its a great idea!
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03/03/2004 06:32 PM (UTC)
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I'm not sure if having Suicidalities is a good idea for this game, but if they were to be implemented then there should be some sort of prize or reward or something beneficial to you afterwards.
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03/03/2004 06:35 PM (UTC)
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i simply can not see any honor in killing one's self. if you were too weak to defeat your opponent then at least die like a warrior and not a coward. but in all fairness they should at least make the hari kari functional at the end of a 3rd round.....like Mercy's in MK3. and if anything the person commiting suicide should be deducted a couple of points/coins and not...rewarded. afterall, their opponent didn't get the glory for finishing them off and that in itself is a big enough reward.
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03/03/2004 06:42 PM (UTC)
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Here are my thoughts on the whole thing.

I like the last guys idea of having it only available after the third round.

Shouldnt cause to many fights in reality since its an M rated game and only adults should be playing it in the first place ;)

Having the regular fatality screen pop up and basically having a race to the finish just makes the gameplay even deeper if you want my opinion. Maybe having the hari kari button combinations a little longer then the reg. fatalities, make it a little harder to do you know.

PS: Distance fatalities blow.
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03/03/2004 06:45 PM (UTC)
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yes but some may disagree and find being defeated by opponent showing their weakness.

i think it should be awarded with more speed but they should take mor damage, you cant do it all good for em.
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03/03/2004 06:50 PM (UTC)
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I was thinking that the suicide would only available after the "Finish Him/her". Instead of letting be finished off, he could kill himslef.
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03/03/2004 06:50 PM (UTC)
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Personally, I think the Suicidalities idea rocks. It's not like you're forfeiting the match or anything. You've already lost! It says finish him and then you and your opponent frantically mash the right combinations in, racing to get your move off first. I think it adds a little something to the overall match if you ask me, and allows you to escape with a little dignity. As if to say "okay, ya beat me, but I got that move in and you didn't...so there!" Everyone keeps talking about "where's the honor in that?" and what not, but I just see it as a way of sticking it to that 12 year old that just whooped you hardcore. I think it's a fun idea that adds a small dimention to the regular matches.
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03/03/2004 06:52 PM (UTC)
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Baraka407 Wrote:
Personally, I think the Suicidalities idea rocks. It's not like you're forfeiting the match or anything. You've already lost! It says finish him and then you and your opponent frantically mash the right combinations in, racing to get your move off first. I think it adds a little something to the overall match if you ask me, and allows you to escape with a little dignity. As if to say "okay, ya beat me, but I got that move in and you didn't...so there!" Everyone keeps talking about "where's the honor in that?" and what not, but I just see it as a way of sticking it to that 12 year old that just whooped you hardcore. I think it's a fun idea that adds a small dimention to the regular matches.


Thats exactly what i'm talking about.
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queve
03/03/2004 07:00 PM (UTC)
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I like the idea.

Awesome.

My dream come true, I will be able to kill my self and escape this shadows without feelling any pain!

: )
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03/03/2004 07:01 PM (UTC)
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I'd kinda assumed it was working ona suicide bomber-esque basis, you finish them in a manner which you die aswell, like grabbing them by the throat and leaping off a cliff, or hugging them with dynamite strapped to your chest! that kind of thing!
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03/03/2004 07:29 PM (UTC)
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i like this idea, just as long as the ai doesn't do the hari kari move all the time so you never get a chance to do your fatality, i think this is a cool idea they just gotta put it in the game the right way.
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MethMaker
03/03/2004 07:44 PM (UTC)
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It would be interesting if there was a koin penalty against the victor if the loser pulls off a hari kari.
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dewey79
03/03/2004 08:02 PM (UTC)
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I think they should only be able to do it it you choose not to do a fatility or time runs out for doing one.

Cause when I want to finish off a character, I really want to finishem and would be upset if I couldn't when I wanted to.
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scorptile
03/03/2004 08:11 PM (UTC)
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as a looooong time mk player i do not ever recall suicides being a robbing of a fatality...it is supposed to be like a friendship...but instead you as the winner kills yourself instead of kill the person you beat...kinda like the posing of mk2 when it said finish him they went into a pose instead of doing anything....that is what my idea of a suicidality is...
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03/03/2004 08:18 PM (UTC)
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Baraka407 Wrote:
Personally, I think the Suicidalities idea rocks. It's not like you're forfeiting the match or anything. You've already lost! It says finish him and then you and your opponent frantically mash the right combinations in, racing to get your move off first. I think it adds a little something to the overall match if you ask me, and allows you to escape with a little dignity. As if to say "okay, ya beat me, but I got that move in and you didn't...so there!" Everyone keeps talking about "where's the honor in that?" and what not, but I just see it as a way of sticking it to that 12 year old that just whooped you hardcore. I think it's a fun idea that adds a small dimention to the regular matches.


Yeah, that sounds badass. hopefully it will be like that.
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03/03/2004 10:37 PM (UTC)
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with all the people saying it's dishonorable, the samurai of Japan used to do it to regain their honor.
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DeadlyWarrior
03/03/2004 11:19 PM (UTC)
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Exactly. It was very common for a samurai to commit suicide. Anyways, I think that if you commit Hara-Kiri (suicide), I think that you should receive a special move for next round that inflicts much damage, but can only be used once.
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03/03/2004 11:25 PM (UTC)
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I think u wont be able to kill urself all the time because i think that would be kinda stupid but i think u can only do it when it says finish him/her
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