Superman is gonna be in his classic outfit
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posted04/24/2008 06:59 AM (UTC)by
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You might as well accept it. They're adding these characters because they're iconic. What's iconic about them? Their look. Superman has basically looked exactly the same since he debuted. And that's not going to change for some MK crossover game just to appease the ridiculously hard to please MK fans. Batman will be in the classic suit. Wonder Woman, if she's in, will be in the golden eagle corset and star spangled undies. Will there be alts? Sure. But you'd better believe that all the main costumes will be instantly recognizable.
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04/22/2008 09:15 PM (UTC)
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link? Citation? 100% confirmation?

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04/22/2008 09:17 PM (UTC)
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Intelligence. I know it's rare here but it happens.
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04/22/2008 09:20 PM (UTC)
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Bezou Wrote:
Intelligence. I know it's rare here but it happens.


LMFAO.

I think nastynate was being sarcastic though.
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04/22/2008 09:23 PM (UTC)
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Bezou Wrote:
Intelligence. I know it's rare here but it happens.

Lol! I agree that he'll be in his classic outfit. It just wouldn't be Superman otherwise. It'd be like giving Liu Kang a jumper or something - meaning really fucked up. tongue
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04/22/2008 09:37 PM (UTC)
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Bezou Posted:
"Superman is gonna be in his classic outfit"
um.....duh ! Thats what makes him Superman
so thank you Mr Obvious .
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04/22/2008 09:39 PM (UTC)
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See, I know it's obvious. And you know it's obvious. But there are some friggin' serious dumbasses in these forums. And they don't know. And even though we know and I'm telling them, they won't believe it. Because they're stupid.
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04/22/2008 09:43 PM (UTC)
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I don't disagree, but intelligence has failed us before. Intelligence told us that Boon wouldn't do something the majority of the fans clearly didn't want.
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04/22/2008 09:48 PM (UTC)
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Intelligence should have also told you that, "Hey, Midway didn't put Scorpion in MK3, did Special Forces, fucked up MK4, and had a bad fighting engine in MKDA-MKA....we shouldn't trust Boon."
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04/22/2008 09:57 PM (UTC)
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Though it'll probably end up being his black recovery suit, I want this to be his alternate:

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04/22/2008 10:10 PM (UTC)
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Bezou Posted:
"See, I know it's obvious. And you know it's obvious. But there are some friggin' serious dumbasses in these forums. And they don't know. And even though we know and I'm telling them, they won't believe it. Because they're stupid. "

I know what you mean

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04/22/2008 11:04 PM (UTC)
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i'd at least like the "S" to be the red one on the black background. like on Justice Legue the new fronteir
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04/22/2008 11:10 PM (UTC)
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TonyTheTiger Wrote:
Though it'll probably end up being his black recovery suit, I want this to be his alternate:





Now that's what I've been talking about. THAT looks less cartoony, and fits a little bit better in the MK world..looks sort of like a cross between something Fujin and Hotaru would wear...nice alternate suggestion.
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04/22/2008 11:13 PM (UTC)
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TonyTheTiger that costume is much better
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04/23/2008 01:13 AM (UTC)
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TonyTheTiger Wrote:
Though it'll probably end up being his black recovery suit, I want this to be his alternate:





Holy crap that's awesome.
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04/23/2008 01:27 AM (UTC)
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Sub_ZER0 Wrote:
Intelligence should have also told you that, "Hey, Midway didn't put Scorpion in MK3, did Special Forces, fucked up MK4, and had a bad fighting engine in MKDA-MKA....we shouldn't trust Boon."

Well...

Omitting iconic characters whom the team knew would be missed by fans (such as Scorpion, Kitana, etc.) allowed UMK3 to be marketable. I think it was kinda smart, actually.

MK Special Forces, although a terrible game (never played it, really), was Tobias' project. Not Boon's. Nonetheless, a bad idea.

And finally, the low-quality of MK4 can be attributed more to the laziness of the MK team, not their stupidity. Think about: same dial combos for all characters, recycling/borrowing character designs (MK movie Liu Kang? WTF!), and completely forgetting to put in a sub-boss? Not stupid, just pure reliance on 3D gimmicks.
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04/23/2008 01:50 AM (UTC)
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Yeah, I honestly believe that MK4 was the only Mk game really rushed for a few reasons but not the other MK games(at least for me anyway)

@TTT, yeah that suit is bitching dude. I do however feel that the Black suit isn't exactly a slouch either, all black with the silver S is pretty cool too IMO and would also make sense speaking as how he wore that suit after he died when he came back.glasses

I hope Batman's alternate winds up being ALL black like from Batman Begins
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04/23/2008 02:55 AM (UTC)
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That suit is from Superman: Godfall. Look it up. It's not the greatest story ever but it's one of my most liked. It's a relatively low key story so I was surprised to see that suit as one of Superman's alternates in Justice League Heroes. Either way, it's too awesome to not plaster everywhere.


It's Michael Turner's art. I like him a lot. He draws hot women.


It's a big pic. You may not be able to see the whole thing. Right click, view image.
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04/23/2008 04:40 AM (UTC)
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It's Michael Turner's art. I like him a lot. He draws hot women.

Someone's ten years away from having credibility! tongue

I think the irony of MKvsDC is that it's exposing a completely lake of self-awareness or context amongst the MK fanbase. I'm sure noone's ever accused them of being the smartest fans in the shed, but the cringe worthy naff of brightly coloured (shared) ninja costumes, and overly descriptive, silly names like Reptile, are just some of the things apparently too familiar to have a broad context.

This complete lack of perspective, and fear and loathing of the unfamiliar seems to have completely overshadowed more legitimate complaints about the game. The more literary minded fans will already be thinking about the suitability of juxtaposition in a game like this, and the fact that while DC can meet MK quite proficiently on their own terms, they also have the opportunity to reflect a very different world view and potential on the MK "heroes."

While it might be a terrible misstep for the progression of the series into a new generation; conceptually the game isn't without it's vices. If it had been a follow-up to a more solid installment, I'd personally feel a lot better about it.

The presence of costumes with blue and red in them? Yeah, not so concerning. If Shinnok can pull it off without complaints, I'm pretty sure the #1 pop culture icon in the world can probably pull it off, too.
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04/23/2008 05:07 AM (UTC)
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"Now that's what I've been talking about. THAT looks less cartoony, and fits a little bit better in the MK world..looks sort of like a cross between something Fujin and Hotaru would wear...nice alternate suggestion."

The Superman: God Fall costume is the second alt I would love to see, first being the Justice Lords' costume. Must remember that this is DC, not DCAU (Animated Universe) so the chances of any DC character being traditional is at very most 50/50. The Superman: Red Son suit is also awesome looking http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/3294/supermanredson03cvrey6.jpg
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04/23/2008 06:02 AM (UTC)
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Well said Mick.
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04/23/2008 06:07 AM (UTC)
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Disturbed_Scorpion Wrote:
The Superman: God Fall costume is the second alt I would love to see, first being the Justice Lords' costume. Must remember that this is DC, not DCAU (Animated Universe) so the chances of any DC character being traditional is at very most 50/50.

Superman and Batman have appeared in dozens of comics every month, for over sixty years. That volume gives the company opportunity, and sometimes demand, to play around with the design of things sometimes. There have been very few substantial changes that have not reverted back; ie, the electric Superman.

The DC cartoons, like video games, maintain an iconic representation of the characters because this is an opportunity for the characters to crossover to new mass markets. They have to be recognisable to their core, and that's why you won't see Superman wearing a different outfit, even if he's mixing it up in the comics from time to time.

In the case of the Godfall costume, that's something that appeared for one month.
If it weren't for the endless hordes gagging for the return of palette swap outfits, I'd be surprised that all it took was crusty shoulder pads to change minds.
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04/23/2008 07:07 AM (UTC)
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Mick-Lucifer Wrote:

I think the irony of MKvsDC is that it's exposing a completely lake of self-awareness or context amongst the MK fanbase. I'm sure noone's ever accused them of being the smartest fans in the shed, but the cringe worthy naff of brightly coloured (shared) ninja costumes, and overly descriptive, silly names like Reptile, are just some of the things apparently too familiar to have a broad context.

This complete lack of perspective, and fear and loathing of the unfamiliar seems to have completely overshadowed more legitimate complaints about the game. The more literary minded fans will already be thinking about the suitability of juxtaposition in a game like this, and the fact that while DC can meet MK quite proficiently on their own terms, they also have the opportunity to reflect a very different world view and potential on the MK "heroes."

The presence of costumes with blue and red in them? Yeah, not so concerning. If Shinnok can pull it off without complaints, I'm pretty sure the #1 pop culture icon in the world can probably pull it off, too.


I don't know, just because you have a differing opinion doesn't really justify the "other guys are dimwits" type of remarks.

I'll tell you what the problem is, at least in my view. It's context. Most of the guys with off the wall names--like the ninjas--fit fine. Scorpion works, it's a code name that could be given to anyone deadly enough. Sub-Zero, self explanatory. Smoke and Reptile...those names are debatable.

But then you have a host of other characters that just have ordinary, human names: Jax Briggs, Sonya Blade, Johnny Cage, Liu Kang, It can be debated that the Outworld characters, Kitana. Mileena Shao Kahn and Kintaro sound "normal" but does Superman fit in that group?

For the most part, the Kombatants have worn somewhat "normal" clothing Liu Kang & Johnny Cage: martial arts Ghi & sweat pants. The Ninjas: Well, I aint expecting them to wear tuxedos to a fight. Jax and Sonya are about the only two (That I can think of) in the first 2 MK games that seem out of place with the spandex, considering they're supposed to be military personel.

MK 3 is where a lot of characters start wearing spandex...or is that true? Shang Tsung for some reason is wearing it..as are Jax and Sonya, but who else? Again, the Ninja are wearing reasonable attire for the type of work they do. But for the mask/respirator, Kabal is wearing normal clothing, Kano is wearing a variation of a military (dictator) outfit...I'm not seeing a lot of superhero outfit designs here...colors, perhaps, but they're pretty uniform. Basically the outworld warriors and cyborgs.

And, you don't see a difference between Shinnok's outfit and Supe's traditional one? Colors aside, Shinnok's is supposed to be wearing something of a regal robe, wih a crown/headpiece...Superman is wearing something akin to something one might war under their clothing during the cold season..

Now, this is not a dig ast Superman. I'll be honest, I'm not his biggest fan, but I do have respect for what the character represents, but he doesn't really fit in the MK universe. But that's just my opinion ...

Of course, the Superman returns outfit sort of reminds me of that black Supes outfit. a variation of the movie suit just might work, perhaps if the blue is darkened ever so slightly.

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04/23/2008 06:27 PM (UTC)
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First of all, VENOMOUS75, I totally agree. And also...

Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
TonyTheTiger Wrote:
It's Michael Turner's art. I like him a lot. He draws hot women.

Someone's ten years away from having credibility! tongue

I think the irony of MKvsDC is that it's exposing a completely lake of self-awareness or context amongst the MK fanbase. I'm sure noone's ever accused them of being the smartest fans in the shed, but the cringe worthy naff of brightly coloured (shared) ninja costumes, and overly descriptive, silly names like Reptile, are just some of the things apparently too familiar to have a broad context.

This complete lack of perspective, and fear and loathing of the unfamiliar seems to have completely overshadowed more legitimate complaints about the game. The more literary minded fans will already be thinking about the suitability of juxtaposition in a game like this, and the fact that while DC can meet MK quite proficiently on their own terms, they also have the opportunity to reflect a very different world view and potential on the MK "heroes."

While it might be a terrible misstep for the progression of the series into a new generation; conceptually the game isn't without it's vices. If it had been a follow-up to a more solid installment, I'd personally feel a lot better about it.

The presence of costumes with blue and red in them? Yeah, not so concerning. If Shinnok can pull it off without complaints, I'm pretty sure the #1 pop culture icon in the world can probably pull it off, too.

Wait a sec, we're getting a bit hasty with some of these conclusions. It is true that some characters have a bare simplicity to their names (Smoke), and some characters happen to be named after puns (Rain), but doesn't this just reflect an intrinsic sense of humor MK has always had? I don't think anyone has ever denied this element, nor has it ever gone away.

It's a shame that many of the people who agree with me have cardboard for brains, and unfortunately, with the prententious violence, MK will always have the bane of attracting a younger crowd. But that doesn't mean there is anything wrong the MK aesthetic. It's not really dark in atmosphere; it just incorporates dark concepts.

I don't even think some of these kids are stupid. They're just young and don't know how to articulate their ideas. So to clarify, my argument was never that MK and DC were incompatible, but that a crossover would not yield an authentic installment of the MK series. The MK storyline has a fictional essence independent of DC's, and and you can't combine them: you can only create a third essence which incorporates parts of the two: I'm siding with the former of the three.

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04/23/2008 09:55 PM (UTC)
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TonyTheTiger Wrote:
It's Michael Turner's art. I like him a lot. He draws hot women.

Someone's ten years away from having credibility! tongue


Supergirl says otherwise.
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