first of i want to talk with xian douh.
I have nothing against you,really,so if i answer you in a hard way,don't be offende,it's not personal.
all i wnt to say is:mk franchise need a comic character and Cage is the best choose,better that Bo'Rai Cho.
He is in mk1,mk2,mktrilogy,mk4,mkda,mkarmageddon,almost every game of the sga in other words.
after his false death in mk3(because he didn't really die) if his characters was a failure,midway should not have point to bring him back alive,not only mktrilogy and armageddon(revival games with all characters),but also MKDA and mk4/gold.If he was useness midway never outs him i two games.
this means he is one of the strongest warrior,much more than kitana,subby and kung lao.
Why?
he was choosen by directly raiden,instead of jax and kung lao. and others.
He aslo kills goro in mk sm with his shadow kick,and now i'll espect from you th same lame answers(mk sm is not canon!).
For me new vent,can change old event,so if Cage and Goro fights,it's canon,my dear!
in mk2 h fights against unnamed outworld fighters and maybe Reptile(as hinted by shaolin monks intro),and don't forget that kung lao have a feud with baraka,so i think tht Cage should fight Goro in aramgeddon.
if you don't like the character this doesn't means that he is useness.Cage is an average charaters,who loves him and who hates him,at about 50%.
he should retunr,and not as a serous character,really,tough you can agree or disagree with me.
his mk3 deaths are non-canon,Vogel says this billion of time and no matter if you think that he can't change canonicity of event,he can.
and don't forget that Cage was intentioned to be in mk3,but he was taken off after Pesina being fired.
he have cool moves,cool fatalities,attitude and everything that a character needs.it's better than Kung lao,he was jaeolus of liu not only in mksm but also in his armageddon ednig.
kung lao has the worst ending in amrageddon,he haev a no sensed one.
the proof:
1if he surivevd he have nothing to do with mk,in fact he go back in the time(what a stupid thing)
2 if he died we'll don't see anymore.
no offense xian,but this time you make some mistake.

my personal toughts are:JC should survive he deserves this more than ppl like jax and kung lao.
really...

I don't think Johnny is jealous either - it think he respected his position as just one of Liu Kang's allies. Everyone does get fed up after a while though when someone does take all the spotlight (especially in Cage's movie star lifestyle), but that doesn't necessarily mean he was upset with Liu in any way.

As for the visions, it could be Shinnok. But I'm questioning the part about the Elder Gods. Aren't they not allowed to interfere? That why they put out the whole plan with Blaze, because they couldn't directly sort out this Armageddon mess. So is helping Johnny Cage with these prophecies some form of cheatin on their part?

Yeah, Shinnok has got some balls trusting Quan Chi after what he did. He's practically the reason he went back to the Netherealm. About Shang's Island: I don't think it has any particular meaning to it, because they seem to have made the island a meeting place for all the characters since DA.

I was also expecting Shinnok to put up a stronger fight, he was torn apart in this battle, which leads me to think this wasn't the real Shinnok and only some scam with Quan Chi.

And he has definitely changed for the better with this new attitude. I hope it sticks for the remainder of MKA.



Johnny Cage's "comic relief" got stale a long time ago. He was a failure at the time around MK3 in my view, and was only brought back in Trilogy to have more fighters. They kept prodding him, but it was into a corner - not good. And Bo' Rai Cho's comic relief actually comes with a decent story - he played a vital role in MKD with the Edenian army. What did Cage do? Got killed and became Onaga's slave. Big help there. Besides, the comic relief needs to go, because Boon stated in a recent interview that MK8 is going to be very dark. If Johnny is still the "funny guy" he is going to be out of place and not needed. However, if he continues like he is in the bio, I would be more accepting.

And what proof do you have that he is stronger? Jax and Kung Lao were also chosen ones during MK3, protected by Raiden. So I don't know where you are coming from with that. Also, I'm pretty sure Sub-Zero could whoop Cage all day long, I wouldn't mess with him.

The saying MKSM is wrong is not lame. Even Boon himself said most of the stuff isn't canon, including the deaths. Goro was never killed by Johnny Cage. Goro wasn't even in MK2, hence the introduction of Kintaro. Don't use arguements from MKSM to back yourself up, they won't work.

And I think they retconned the Kung Lao/Baraka fued. There hasn't been any mention of it since MKG, and Baraka isn't split in half by Kung's hat. They most likely put it in the video for nostalgic reasons.

And what do you mean he'll go back in time? This statement confused me just a little. None of the endings in MKA made sense, why only point out Kung Lao's? With this change in character Cage has more will from me to see him back now, but we'll just have to wait and see what the others are doing.

And don't argue with XD, you'll be shot down very quickly.

Did I ever say there shouldn't be a comic relief character? Who's better between Cage and Bo' Rai Cho is a matter of opinion, but I've never said there should never be a comic relief character. All I've ever said is I don't a comic relief character would make for a good central character in something like Mortal Kombat.
I recall you once mentioned Spider-Man....but Spider-Man is not a comic relief character. He's a central character who has a sense of humor. There's a difference.



Okay. Proving what? That Johnny Cage has a fan base? I know that. But he also has just as many people who hate him....one of the reasons being he keeps coming back.



That doesn't really prove anything.
Actually Jax and Kung Lao were chosen by Raiden. As were Kabal, Stryker, Nightwolf, and Sub-Zero among others. And personally, I think the fact that Kitana is one of the top heroes and leaders of the game...the one who ended up fighting Quan Chi in MK:DA....despite the fact she isn't one of "Raiden's chosen" says something about how strong she is.



Legacy already covered this.



Matter of opinion...but I and quite of few other people prefer Kung Lao's moves, attitude, look, and story.
And you refer to Kung Lao being jealous of Liu Kang as though it had been that way since the beginning. Even if they've officially changed Kung Lao into being resentful of Liu Kang, it's only a recent change that most people from what I've seen are most unhappy with. This does not make me like Kung Lao any less, nor does it make me like Johnny Cage any more.
And just about all the endings in Armageddon either sucked or didn't make sense. Like Legacy said, why single out Kung Lao's alone?



I think Johnny Cage will survive, too. Does he "deserve" it any more than Kung Lao...I don't think so. I don't know what you're basing that on. And Jax...I think he should die.
But I also think Cage should retire as should most of the "classics." That's not based on favoritism....as I also think Kitana, Kung Lao, and many other "classic" characters I like should go.

are you kidding,right?
i suggest you to end the game again with kung lao.

And xiandhou,i NEVE said that cage is a afn loved character,i said that he's 50% loved/hated.
And about the comic relief thing with Spidera-man also Johnny cage is a central character and not a secondary one like stryker or nightwolf.
And about be choosen by raiden,i don't mean chosen warriors,but the fighter choosen to represent earthrealm in mk tournament.
and we know that only the stronger warriors are chossen for the tournament.Kung lao isn't chosen by raiden for the tournament,and i'm sure kung lao was born during mk1.
Same for jax(i hate him DIE DIE DIE DIE) kitana(i love her) Sub Zero second(like him) and others.
If kung lao was stronger than JC,can you explain me why Raiden choose JC instead of Kung lao?I mean the first tournament,so don't speak about mk3 and over.
I agree that Kung Lao is more loved,but the thing that he is jaelous of liu is nonsensed.At this point is better Liu kang.

All endings in MKA are screwed up, so I suggest you go play with all the characters again.

And Raiden did not choose anyone to partake in the first tournament, nor the second. I don't know where you are getting that from. Everyone from the 1st game was either chosen by their respective clans/organizations to compete in the tournament, or personally invited by Shang Tsung. Raiden had nothing to do with the other combatants joining.

In the second, Johnny Cage was in the tournament because he aided Liu Kang into Outworld after the destruction of the Shaolin Temples, and Raiden only assissted them, he did not choose them to be in the tournament.

Johnny Cage is not a central character. Never has been. He doesn't carry his own sub-plot that has prominance or importance in the overall storyline, and he's not a very well-developed character, either. These are two very large factors that go into making a character a central protagonist.

I devoted a thread to this discussion a while back. Johnny Cage is not among the main protagonists of the game. His biggest contribution to plot, until Armageddon at least, has been backing up Liu Kang. He's a side character at best or low-level protagonist at least...nowhere near the level of characters like Sub-Zero, Kitana, or Sonya Blade. Sonya backs up Liu Kang too...but she at least also has her own fairly prominant sub-plot. And she's a more developed character than Cage is.
And the recent developements in Armageddon don't suddenly make Cage one of the major protagonists either. There's still the possibility Shinnok is using him...and also have to factor that in Konquest, Taven is depicted as the main character of the game.

And if you looking to compare him to Kung Lao...Kung Lao isn't a protagonist either. All he's done thus far is back up Liu Kang. But of the two, Kung Lao has or had the better shot of becoming one because of the type of character he is/was. As I said, I don't buy Cage...the comic relief character...as a central figure that the story revolves around.

And as Legacy said, Raiden didn't choose anyone to enter the first tournament. Liu Kang was the only "chosen one" and he was chosen by the Shaolin Temple. Acutally, in the original storyline, Kung Lao was too...but he refused.
Johnny Cage entered for publicity. Sonya was forced to enter to save her Special Forces unit. Sub-Zero entered to kill Shang Tsung. Kano entered because he wanted to rob the place. Scorpion entered to get Sub-Zero. And Raiden entered because Tsung personally invited him.
The closest Cage and Sonya were to being chosen is if Raiden said during the tournament "Hey, you two should be buddies with Liu Kang." For all we know, he told Sub-Zero or Scorpion to do the same, but they ignored him.

unluckly for you,you contraddict yourself.
As i said before a secondary character is Stryker,Nightwolf,Sheeva,kai,reiko,fujin,etc...
with main charaters i mean the most recurring characters.
Johnny Cage make the cut in mk1,mk2,mktrilogy,mk4/gold,mk deadly alliance and mk armageddon,even tough armageddon doesn't count like a game count,0cause very character make the cut in that game.
Stryker appears only ij mk3/umk3,Mktrilogy,and even tough i love him,he's a secondary charaters.
Nightwolf have a role in deception too,but he was not present in mk1,mk2,mk4 and mkda.
Sheeva,reiko,kai,fujin,etc even tough they have a better storyline than cage,thay aren't so much important,otherwise they make other appearances during the game,don't you think?

and about the first tournament fact,i suggest you to read every vogel interview.
he cklearly stated that amost 90% of the first mk stroyline has been rewrited.
a tipical example is raiden:in mk1 raiden wasn't a good guy,he was a god by his own,that was challaged by shang tsung in MK.
But magically in mk2 he become a good guy.
This is not the truth:Vogel said milion times tjhat Raiden was Always(always-always-is it clear?) earthrealm defender god.Even tough in mk1 he was not.
I think that thanks the huge success of the first movie the entire game stroyline was cancelled and and changed with the same of the movie.
So even tough Cage take part for publicity in the first tournament,this doesn't means that he wasn't choosen.
Same for Sonya.During the event of the first game,event ough they were rivals sonya and kano never fought against each other.
in the movie this happens.
only shang tsung,subby and scorpy storyplot hasn't been changed.

and about kung lao edning:kung lao ending is the stupidiest ending i have ever seen in all videogame history.
JC ending,tough is not conclusive,is sensed,in other word he become serious.
the kung lao one,is non sensed for 2(TWO) reasons:
1)if it happens(kung lao defeat blaze and go back in time and take the role of his ancestor as earthrealm champion) this means that the entire mk history never happens,so this means that all the good memories,storylines,fatalities are gone.
2)if he dies,this doesn't happens and mk can continue.
but if this happens,is not sensed,so he should die and say goodbye to everyone from heaven.
i don't see any other choose...

instead JC:
1)if his ending happens(become enlightment) he become a seriopus chaacter and a serious protagonist,and as we already know mk8 is a NEW start that should broke all tie ith past,he can be a credible protagounist.
2)if he dies we haven't the problem,but at least the storyline can go on.

i hope that JC will surivev with this attitude and this personality,otherwise i'll dont like hima nymore.
i'll never forgive to midway the make him a seriuosly character.
and btw i don't see why a funny character can't be a protagonist.
i think it's better Cage than superheroes,invicible(or that think to be invincble) with the ego of the main man that treath the tohers lke shit.
JC is vane and arrogant,but he never felt essential,instead of kung lao.

howver i think that everyone will suriveve,and if will not make the cut in mk8,will do in mk9 or later....

I didn't contradict myself. Just because a character appears in several games doesn't make them a "main" character in th story. Jax has been in almost every game, but he is not a main character. Everything he's done is in relation to Sonya. That makes him a side character, too.



Why do you keep talking about Kung Lao's ending? Yes, his ending sucked. A lot of the endings sucked. Why do you keep mentioning it?
Cage's ending is conclussive. He spent his whole life being an arrogant jerk and after the big final battle, he finally grew up and became a disciplined warrior. Ever stop to consider this was just closure for Cage's story?



Bullshit.
And even if MK1's story has been completely retconned, where then does it say Johnny Cage is one of Raiden's "chosen" to fight in the tournament? Because it wasn't even in Shaolin Monks either.

Though lastfighter89 does have some valid points on his post, I agree more with XiahouDun84 views on this matter.

All the heroes of the first game were in the tournament not by mere coincidence, whether Rayden himself invited them, whether the Elder Gods plotted for certain circumstances to occur so they could be there reunited to battle, or whether it was destiny that played a role in their participation, its all trivial. The game has never offered enough depth in its details to make us know for certain whats confirmed and whats not.

Liu Kang was “never chosen” by Rayden himself neither, he was sent by the Order of Light. But because of the last games, we assume he was because it all points to that, exactly the same with the others.

But for all we know, and thanks to the known information and details of how the story has developed throughput the entire saga, we know Liu Kang, Sonya and Johnny Cage were the chosen heroes who would defeat Shang Tsung and his minions and win Mortal Kombat.

Rayden could had made sure they were there, or the Elder Gods, or destiny, it doesn’t matter in the end, they were there, they won, they were all chosen ones. I believe the Mk1 story was ret conned to even not have Rayden battle during the first game and have him there guiding the heroes (since Mk3). Later they made sure this was more official by adapting the movies plot to his character (quite a bit, but enough for a change) to make him the main “mentor” and guide (since Mk4, right after the first movie).



Yeah, MKSM is definitely not entirely canon (thank God), almost the entire story of that game was messed up.

But the important detail here is, that even (we don’t know for sure yet) if Johnny Cage did kill/defeat Goro or didn’t do it, the Mk teams has considered it as a canon possibility, and has hinted it ever since the first movie with pictures, videos, and even during gameplay.

Now if they ret conned that, it wouldn’t be anything new or any surprise, they have used many of the movies elements ever since they were released for Mk4 till the last game.

Also, almost all the endings in MKA didn’t make sense or sucked...but there were a few that rocked, even if they are impossible to happen (Kais, Kanos, Sonyas, Johnny Cages, Li Meis, Rains, Cyraxs, Darrius, Bo Rai Chos, Tavens, Daegons, etc come to mind).



1.- XiahouDun84 didnt contradict himself. He has a solid opinion on this subject.

2.- About your post on the Mk movies: Just a little bit. Many important and trivial elements from the films were taken to transform the games storyline a bit, and build it up to be more deep. But not entirely. Mk1 though (and maybe a bit of Mk2), was almost entirely ret conned, almost.

3.- Yes, Cage was chosen along side the others. Meaning he is important. But after a few games, that importance was, very sadly, lost because of the idiotic writings (Mk4 was good though), thanks to MKA though, we now have him in the spotlight again (along side the other heroes).

4.- I think we all got the point that you hate Kung Laos ending, no need to say more about it. Its horrible, but quite frankly almost all endings in MKA sucked, and probably just a very few number of them will be used for next games. Johnny Cage had an amazing ending, I believe it was closure for the Cage we know, a beginning of something new hopefully, but just because its better then the others doesn’t make him a better character.

5.- Yes, I too hope this is the beginning of something new and better for Cage.



I like this theory. Would be cool.

But still, even if Shinnok is using him, Armageddon was inevitable, and manipulated or not, it doesn’t take away the fact that Johnny Cages role in this game has been of great importance, whatever the outcome is. It does make him a central character, and this was done on purpose to finally give him the boost he disserved. Like many, Im pleased they finally heard the fans and gave him the opportunity to shine with the light he lost after Mk3.

The ironic thing though, is that most people disliked his characters lame plot after Mk2, but it was in Mk3 and Mk4 (storywise) were he actually developed more seriousness. It was his story in MKDA that brought back the horribly lame plot (even though his ending was hilarious).

But thanks to MKA, he is rocking.

almost every ending in amrageddon is stupid?
yes,but is also true tha kung lao's one i sthe worst,no doubt about it.
I can mention Kintaro,Stryker,etc....but there are also some good endings,for example liu kang and others.
I don't hate kung ending,i hate just everything about kung lao,'cause he's stereotypical character.
And really we have all to learn the true meaning of the words "main character".he is not the protagounist,but he isn't neither a kameo appareances,and alongside with other ppl he is one of the most recurring characters.He's not the main hero,but he's not a secondary.
a lot of changes are made to the original mk1 storyline,you know better than me,so please xiandhou don't answer "bullshits".

I'd like to point a few things on both sides:

Johnny cage IS a chosen warrior. If not in the first and second games, then definitely by the 3rd, in which only the 'Chosen warriors'' souls were not taken by Kahn when he stepped through into Earth. Forget the fact that he had supposedly been taken out by the death squads(As this has been retconned), he survived the initial invasion because he is in fact a chosen warrior.

Jax is the strongest fighter in Earth realm. It's been stated numerous times in the past. Whether he is a better fighter than Johnny Cage, is another matter, all together. I wouldn't go so far as to say that Jasx isn't a main character either. He entered the 2nd tourney rescue Sonia--pretty much the same way Sonia entered the first to rescue her team mates. Jax has since taken on Jarek and Hsu Hao. Hao actually having played a significant part in DA.

I agree, Most of Shaolin Monks is non-canon. Kung Lao was not at the tourney disguised as one of Shang's guardsmen. Goro played no part in the second tournament. If he had, Kang probably would have had to fight Goro, Kintaro, Shang and then Kahn. Shang Tsung did not have an elaborate plot to usurpe Kahn's throne, but rather, through a loophole that allowed a losing realm to rechallenge the winning realm to a second tournament. One in which Kahn was sure to win. Quan Chi did not retrieve the amulet from Kahn's arena. I can name a few other things, but when the creator of the series says that SM isn't canon, what more can I say?

Like XD said, just because he is in every game does not make him a main character. Baraka has appeared in MK2, MKT, MKG, MKD, and MKA, does that make him a main character? No. He is just a lackey for the bad guys, like Johnny Cage is a "lackey" for the good guys.

Provide some links for your "Vogel said..." answer and I might start believing you. And just because Raiden helped them, doesn't mean he chose them to fight. Raiden is a God, and the Gods most likely don't have the authority to be allowed to interefere in ways such as choosing who fights in the tournament. MK3 and up is a different story however, since none of them are actually tournaments.

And still continuing on about Kung's ending, your point as why it is stupid is still null. So the MK history is erased. That is actually plausible considering they are starting over, none of the old MK will matter anyones and could work in reality as why nothing from this gen MK crosses over. Where in Cage's ending he stops being a dumbass like he should've five games ago.



Ummm... Cage original? Don't make me laugh. Kung Lao is a gold mine of originality compared to Cage. Every fighting game has a Cage - Tekken has Paul, Dead or Alive has Zack... I could go on and name someone from every entry.

And just because Cage is recurring character doesn't mean anything. He has never provided any substance to the storyline, nor has Kung Lao. Neither of them are main characters, along with many others. People like Liu Kang, Sonya, Sub-Zero, and Kitana are protagonists, they have actually done something.

Wow. The ongoing back and forth between lastfighter89 and a handful of other users coaxed me out of lurking. Impressive.

Anywho, my post is with regards to the whole "did the films retcon the early games?" debate. The correct answer; sweet Jesus McGillacruddy Christ no! XiahouDun was 100% on the money in his one word appraisal of the idea: bullshit.

Let's first establish something right off the bat; the only (I stress the ONLY) "canon" (blech that word sucks; so inane sounding yet so necessary) sources of info on the MK games story comes from the following;

*Each games intro.

*Each games character bios.

*Endings revealed to be canon by the next or future game.

*The various Konquest modes, not counting the billion or so side-quests in Deception, which are all pretty much non-canon.

*The MK comics by John Tobias.

*MK Mythologies: Sub-Zero. Special Forces was fairly inconsequential story-wise and Shaolin Monks has been hotly debated since its release, so for purposes of this discussion we'll leave that one alone.

In no way, absolutely NO WAY, does any info not already established in the games from the various MK TV shows (animated and live action), non-Tobias comics, live tours, info you read off the back of an MK pog or action figure, and yes even the theatrical films, apply to the video game storyline and mythology.

Sure yeah, some niggling details from the films were incorporated into Deadly Alliance (Kano being an Aussie, de-evolved Reptile's appearance, etc.), and yeah Johnny Cage and Goro have appeared alongside one another in several game promos and renders (again I'm leaving Shaolin Monks out of this to avoid starting Nerd War III) to get the ol' nostalgia a flowin'.

But stupid details like that aside, broad plot points from the films that differentiated from the games DO NOT "retcon" or whatever what was established in the games, until an MK game comes out with an intro, bio or whatever that actually does so (which to date has yet to happen). The games are their own thing, the films another.

Any "retconning" done in these games is done via "upgrades" (MK3 to UMK3 to MKT and so forth), and (albeit rarely) later info from games that consistently overrides older info. Good example; Kano's old profile in Tobias' MK1 comic listed his nationality as an American born and raised in Japan. Deadly Alliance introduced the idea of him as being Australian, and all subsequent games have stuck with this. Again this incredibly minor detail was an obvious nod to the films, but that doesn't mean that all of a sudden Johnny Cage was the guy who beat Goro in the first tournament. Not by a long shot.

And I've read countless quotes/interviews from both John Tobias and his successor John Vogel (the two head story guys behind these zany games). And not once has either of these gentlemen said anything remotely to the effect of "we're rewriting past game history to better fit the films". If you (lastfuighter89 or whomever) have a quote from somewhere that contradicts this, by all means post it. If not, then consider the matter settled.

Argh, want more hard proof? Fine. Here's a little pop quiz.

*In MK1, was the elder Sub-Zero a) killed by Scorpion or b) Liu Kang?

*Did Scorpion a) return to hell after killing Sub-Zero or b) get killed by Johnny Cage?

*Also in MK1 was Shang Tsung a) a withered old man or b) played by that guy from Nash Bridges?

*Did Kitana a) not join in on the fun till MKII or b) participate in MK1 and have a half assed fight with Liu Kang?

*Did Kano a) escape into Outworld in the aftermath of MK1 only to get captured and chained up in Kahn's arena or b) get his neck snapped by Sonya?

If you answered (b) to any of the above questions... well sorry to tell you this, but there's a wealth of text and cinematics from every single MK game (even the recent ones) that begs to differ with you. Honestly it's all in the games. Well except for the Armageddon bios obviously, we'll see what happens with the Wii. If you don't own or have access to all of 'em, then all the various character bios, endings, intros, etc. can be found on this site, MK Warehouse, and countless others. Do a little reading.

Want one last extra credit question before I go?

Shao Kahn and Raiden are brothers and Shinnok is their dad: True or False?

wow man you completely miseunderstood me.
i just said that something of the canon sotryline can be changed after be retconned with movies,comics,cartton,etc.
not everything,just something can change.
so the first sub zero was defeated by scorpion,liu kang caonically defeats shang tsung and goro(not cage).
I NVER said that Cage derfeats Goro,i only say that the two with great chance fight one against other,never talk about winners or other thing.
not always the intro movies are canon:they should be canon,but not always are perfect,in fact there are a lot of incongruences.
in the first mk1 raiden was showed as a God by his own,not a defender of the earthrealm.
The first comic book(that substitute the intro movies cause tcnology wasn't good like our days) explain us raiden as a lone warrior/god,he don't have to defend any realm.
but in mk2 comic book(canonical as well) raiden is magically turned in earthrealm defender!WTF!
also in DA/D we don't know what happens at quan chi and shang tsung after raiden blast,we see quan chi trying to avoid the explosion,but we don't know if he surived along shang tsung or respowned or seom other solution.
also in mk3 i think that Cage should die,but as we know(and please don't tell that is false) Cage never died before meeting the Deadly Alliance.
And one other last thing,i noticed that a lot of ppl don't accept the authority of Vogel:
even tough it's hard to understand and we don't share this feelings,actually
Vogel can everything he want with the stroyline of the game.
He can wake up from the bed tomorrow and say :Oh my b%%ls are twisted
now i out online the new bio of goro and i write that he really decapitate him with his spine (as we can see in the famous pic where Goro hand the head of JC) and JC was resurrected by mokap,and lather JC and Mokap defeat goro.
This will never happns(i hope) but this don't mean that couldn't happen!
So accept this and you'll enjoy mk saga otherwise you'll see a lot of incongruences and you'll hate the game and his storyline and also his characters.
And about being a secondary character,this is a logic question: how in the hell a recurring character be a secondary one? don't you find it illogic?
Maybe JC can have a minor role in the storyline,but this deosn't means that he is one of the secondary characters of the game.
Be the protagounist,one of the main heroes and a secondary characters are three different things.
and about kung ending,is the most stupid,and go to f%ck more than ten years of history,is not a good thing.
and about the originality of JC in videogame world:Zack of DoA saga was created years later than JC.He was original because he is the first.Alos Paul of Tekken "born" several ears later than JC.
JC can be inspired by other character by movies or comic,but this doesn't mean that he is not original.

Your post is really good and I agree with most of the things you said.

But no one ever said the films completely retconed the entire story of the early games, nor anyone agrees Boon, Tobias or Vogel ever said or will say: “we're rewriting past game history to better fit the films”, lastfighter89 has a point in his posts, it didn’t change all but it did change enough. And those minor/big details didn’t start with MKDA, they started during Mk4. They didn’t decide to rewrite the games because of the movies, they decided to take elements from the films, inspiration for the games.

And some are not trivial or niggling things, they have an effect in the storyline and it can revolve around many characters as well. The Cage/Goro thing is no niggling thing if its ever retconed, it affects more then two characters and a past storyline as we know it (I like the idea though), same with Raydens more mature and mentor role since Mk4, though I believe it started well in Mk3, its in Mk4 where you can actually feel he is the true guide, etc.

Also the love/romance between Kitana and Liu Kang is another thing that’s not trivial or niggling imo, the effect of this romance can lead up to many other things.

Just like I hope they decide to do with Johnny Cage and Sonya, like the entire Goro VS Cage thing, we have been getting a few clues on the possible romance between the tough blond and the movie star, hopefully they develop it well and actually do it, but that’s another story.

But overall, I agree with your post, and yes, the movies are one thing, the games are another. You are correct.

*queve*
Yeah I agree that the Cage/Goro thing isn't a "minor detail". But here's the thing; that retcon hasn't happened yet. Yeah there's been a few renders and artwork and such (again for purposes of this discussion we're not touching Shaolin Monks), but nothing that TRULLY places that conflict into the series canon. So until that actually happens (if it ever does) then it seems sorta pointless debating a non-issue.

Micro-rant
That's one of my little pet peeves with the MKO fanbase; getting all riled up over "retcons" that have yet to actually take place. Scorpion's a prime example there. Honestly (and this is directed at no one in particular, just "people" in general) my advice there is; hold your horses. Seriously, calm the hell down and wait for a game that ACTUALLY implements the "retcon" before you start freaking out about it.

*Back to queve*
So anyway, then there's Raiden's "mentor thing". That idea in the games does actually predate the movies. It goes all the way back to MKII in fact. Dig Raiden's role in Tobias' MKII comic, where he actually does rally the heroes together for the Outworld tournament. His bio and ending also firmly establish his "good guy" status over the "god who doesn't care" that he was in his MK1 ending. And MK3 cements his role as the Obi-Wan to his "Chosen Warriors". Again both MKII and MK3 (although 3 just barely) predates the movie. Same for the "chosen warriors" idea. In the film it's there from the start of the first tournament, in the games it only really comes about in MK3. So again, I wouldn't hold the film responsible for this one, as it seemed to be an idea in Tobias' head long before.

The Liu Kang and Kitana romance I'll give ya. It WAS sorta "hinted" at in Liu's MK3 ending, but it never really took shape until MK4. So yeah I'll concede that one. And it is fairly important plot point (all the more so in MK Armageddon if the bios are any indication).

*To lastfighter89*
If I took your post out of context then I apologize. My bad. Though personally I only ever take what actually winds up in the games (or stuff closely tied to them like the Tobias comics and the MKA online bios, which themselves have a good shot at winding up in the Wii version) as canon. Always have, always will.

Honestly your point about "always remembering that Vogel can wake up the next morning and change ANYTHING, so remember that and you'll be less mad at the game's storyline" doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to me. Why would I be that paranoid over the plot to a video game? I think that not over thinking about what COULD happen, and instead reacting to what actually DOES happen is by far the less... stressful way to approach these things. Again that ties into my "pet peeve" with some of the MKO users here. Some of y'all need to just chill the hell out man!

I've never been "mad" at the MK mythos. It's taken an occasional turn that I've disagreed with in the past (if it were up to me, I wouldn't have made Kabal a baddie again, or at least not without a better reason than what was given) but nothing has yet to occur that has "pissed me off" or whatever. Disappointed sure, but it's unhealthy to get "mad" over stuff like this I personally think.

If I've taken anything you said out of context, again I apologize.

Easy. If said character's biggest contribution to the story is only as secondary to another character. If said character has little-to-nothing else going for them story-wise besides a relation to another character. If said character has very little individual developement.
Now, deciding this sort of thing if flexible, but Johnny Cage happens to be all three.

His biggest contribution to the story is backing up Liu Kang. Again, I'll compare this with Sonya. Like Cage, Sonya acts as a secondary character to Liu Kang. She backs him up and acts as sort of a foil to him. However, she has more going for her than simply helping Liu Kang. She has a life beyond him with the whole Special Forces sub-plot which involves numerous other characters. She herself, if also a fairly well fleshed out character.
What has Johnny Cage got going for him beyond acting as Liu Kang's back-up buddy? His movie career storyline. Oh yeah, and he might also be Sonya's love interest.

Johnny Cage is a B-list character in Mortal Kombat at best. Like Jax, Baraka, Kung Lao, and several other characters. You keep mentioning guys like Stryker and Nightwolf....they're C-list (no offense to Stryker or Nightwolf fans. That sounds like I'm putting them down, but that's not my intention).
Armageddon doesn't suddenly change it either...it's much too soon to say something like that.


As for the discussion about the movie and retcons.....yes, things from the movies have been incorporated into the games storyline. Yes, Vogel has a tendency to retcon things. But that does not justify lastfighter's earlier claim that we should disregard 90% of MK1's storyline.

And go back to what started this discussion...it still doesn't prove that Johnny Cage was specially chosen by Raiden over others. Nowhere, in the canon or retconned canon or even in the non-canon is it stated that in MK1 Raiden said to Liu Kang, Johnny Cage, & Sonya Blade "You three, and only you three, are my personally chosen warriors who are better than everybody else everywhere."
Not even in the movie. All Raiden said in the movie was one of them had the best chance at winning the tournament. He didn't personally pick them. I'm sure if Jax ran on the boat with Sonya, Raiden would've said the same thing to him. If Kung Lao existed in the movie's universe and was on the boat, he probably would've been included, too.

The whole "chosen warrior" thing didn't come into play until MK3.

Way I see it back in MK1, Raiden considered each of the fighters as potential candidates to fight Shang Tsung and save the world. Including Sub-Zero, Kano, and maybe even Scorpion. But during the tournament, he saw that Liu Kang was the golden boy and arranged for Cage and Sonya to back him up because they were good guys, too. Hell, like I said, maybe he even tried to get Sub-Zero or Scorpion to help Kang too, but they told him to piss off.

Essentially that was the point of the whole "pop quiz" portion of my first post. If we were to disregard 90% of the first game's storyline due to stuff like the film or whatever, then the answer to much of those questions would have been (b). But they're not. We know that, even lastfighter89 by his own admission. Again as has been said, stuff from the film has been made a part of the game, but certainly no where near to the extent that lastfighter is implying, and lot's of stuff that was retconned that he mentioned in his initial post (like the whole Raiden thing) predates the movies.

As far as Cage's "character status" goes... I think what XiahouDun is trying to say (and I agree with him) is that there's a difference between a character who's important to the storyline and a character who's a "mascot". Johnny Cage is a mascot. I loved the guy in the first two MKs as much as anyone, but he's never really had much of an impact insofar as the game's story goes when you get right down to it. Sure he's helped the good guys, but so have guys like Stryker and Nightwolf (to borrow two overused examples). All Johnny Cage has over the second and third stringers is seniority and that he's more well known to the "general public".

Is he a "signature character" in the MK series? No question. But that's completely different from having a relevant impact on events in the story. Then there's characters like Shao Kahn, Raiden, Scorpion, and Sub-Zero who are both mascots AND important characters in the story who have impacted events. And then there’s characters who are certainly NOT mascots or well known by "Joe Average" by any means, but have regardless been of consequence to events in the games (like Shinnok).

Could that change for Johnny? Certainly. Armagedon appears to be setting him up for bigger and better things. But again going back to XiahouDun's point, one bio is not enough to say for sure. All it means is that the set-up is there; the follow through is yet to come...

apologize for no using quote function,but it's better this way,i make less chaos.

and now answering:
for throwin-disabled:no one is arguing in hard/rough way or noone is annoying other ppl.So you don't have nothing to excuse with me or other,you're free to think what you want,and you're human too,everyone can be wrong.
xian-dhou:

QUOTED FROM XIANDHOU
Easy. If said character's biggest contribution to the story is only as secondary to another character. If said character has little-to-nothing else going for them story-wise besides a relation to another character. If said character has very little individual developement.
Now, deciding this sort of thing if flexible, but Johnny Cage happens to be all three.

His biggest contribution to the story is backing up Liu Kang. Again, I'll compare this with Sonya. Like Cage, Sonya acts as a secondary character to Liu Kang. She backs him up and acts as sort of a foil to him. However, she has more going for her than simply helping Liu Kang. She has a life beyond him with the whole Special Forces sub-plot which involves numerous other characters. She herself, if also a fairly well fleshed out character.
What has Johnny Cage got going for him beyond acting as Liu Kang's back-up buddy? His movie career storyline. Oh yeah, and he might also be Sonya's love interest.

Johnny Cage is a B-list character in Mortal Kombat at best. Like Jax, Baraka, Kung Lao, and several other characters. You keep mentioning guys like Stryker and Nightwolf....they're C-list (no offense to Stryker or Nightwolf fans. That sounds like I'm putting them down, but that's not my intention).
Armageddon doesn't suddenly change it either...it's much too soon to say something like that.


yeah,you're right!
the problem is that Legacy did not mention this thing.
For what i'vre read he make seems Cage a useness character.
at level of storyline this can be true,but not for usefulness of his role.
I LOVE stryker,i like this character,but he is a almost-meaningless character.
JC have a bigger role lucly tahn stryker,but for what i'vre read from legacy he take JC and Styker on the same level.
Maybe i'm worng or i misunderstood the meaning of his words,but i understand the thing in this way.
about the chosen warriors thing;yeah you're right,this "honor" is mentioned only in mk3/umk3/mkT and the movie.Tough i mean chsen warrior in two different way(a kind of chosen warriors for the tournament,and a type of chosen warrior for defending earthrealm during kahn assault).
In truth are the same thing.My bad.
And about the movies:another pint for you.
The problem is that Midway gives us a lot of hint and clues about this feud at start uncanon but later more develped(but still not canon).Renders,videos,pics and also cut scenes from Shaolin Monks(do you forget that goro have the longest fight scene with JC during the opening movie?) let me think that in someway Midway understand the succes and potential of movies storyline.
I don't know what i have to say:maybe i wish too much this feud(howver,eben tough not well developed it's still interesting!!!!) and i was too glad when i see non official material about this two warriors of mk saga.
Same for Kung lao vs baraka thing.I don't like ung lao but i'll like him more if he have as a specific enemy baraka,and leave goro to JC.
Kung lao and Baraka have a not-confirmed feud as we can see in MKArmaeddon opening movie and Shalin Monks.
I prefer to see JC vs Goro,instead of goro vs kung lao.

however the last point it's mine ziandhou:tough it's not a nice thing vogel CAN do whatever he want.
ok,he'll never make unsensed things,don't be afraid of this,but he can decide with other stroyline developers and add/modify/erase things from mk universe.And about the 90% thing,he don't say this textual words,but he said a lot of times that a huge part of mk 1 stroyplot has been changed.
now all we have to do is waiting,i hope this will take few days,but i'm sick of waiting almost two weeks,for bios that probably are already done!!!!
(i wait for Shinnok one)

Vogel does NOT have as much control over things as you'd like to think, lastfighter. Decisions such as having (almost) all the characters in MKA, some of the story things in MKA's Konquest, etc. were not Vogel's doing nor did he have much or any control over them. That's why with the bios, and to a lesser extent, MKU, he and the other storywriters had to make the best out of fuckups.

Also, please do everyone a favor and fix the spacing in your posts. In addition, spellcheck would be nice, because I find your posts frustrating to read sometimes...

Well I don't know about the rest of you, but I loved Johnny's storyline from MK1 through MKA. It's sort of a coming-of-age realization story. MK1, he makes millions off a movie. MK2, he makes a movie. MK4/MKG, he makes a movie and gets booed for being cocky at the Oscars. MKDA: he makes an awesome movie. MKA: he realizes it doesn't make him happy and that he's more than just an actor, and lives out the rest of his life as a monk. It's a real nice story. Gonna miss John-boy. Especially since "Gist Of My Fist" was awesome.

Wait, wait, wait... Don't put words in my mouth. What are you talking about I never mentioned? I put in plenty of things in his overview about what Cage has done. Obviously you didn't read it too well. Cage overall is a pretty tame character storyline-wise, but I NEVER said he was useless. He was one of the major players in MK1 and MK2, but recently he hasn't done anything worthwhile except for in his new bio. And I never compared him to Stryker. They are two different characters. The likes of Cage, Kung Lao, Jax, and other major characters not pivotal to the plot are and a totally seperate level from those like Stryker, Sheeva, and Rain.

And that promo pic from MK4 has no meaning to it. Did anything happen between them in the game? No. Goro returned to fight Liu Kang/Kung Lao because of what happened in the past. Cage was no way involved. Boon has been doing the whole fued thing for a while, but every time we are led up, and end with a big let down. Nothing has ever gone on between them, and apparently never will. But a Kung Lao vs. Goro fued would make a lot more sense: He defeated his ancestor 500 years ago, almost putting Earthrealm in danger for they had almost won the consecutive tournaments they needed. In MK4, we saw Kung trying to put the hatred aside, but that didn't last for long as Goro shortly switched sides once more. You think Kung Lao would be just a little pissed off. Hell, even Kitana could take a shot at him for betrayal.

As Sub_Zero put it, Vogel doesn't have complete control over everything. He writes what he can, and tries to tie everything together. I congratulate him for it too, as the rest of the team makes it very tough for him.

Sonya's history

According to MK1 manual, she was an army brat (her dad was MAJOR Herman Blade). She had a twin brother, but he's dead now. She joined the army herself, went into Special Forces where it became her priority to hunt down Kano and his Black Dragon.

MORTAL KOMBAT
Trailed Kano to a harbor at Hong Kong where he escaped on a ship that was heading to the MK tournament. Sonya arranged for a speeder boat to intercept the ship but while sailing out they were ambushed by Shang Tsung's troops. He captured her and her team and told her he would set them free if she fought in the tournament. She agreed. While fighting, she met Liu Kang and Johnny Cage and hung out with them. They were mentored by Raiden who let them know what was up. They survived to the end and Shang Tsung sicked all of his troops on all 7 of the surviving warriors- and Sonya teamed up with Cage and Kano to take Goro down. But when Liu Kang beat Shang Tsung, the island began to collapse. Sonya ended up falling off The Pit down below.........and when she came to, she and Kano were trapped in Outworld.

MORTAL KOMBAT II era
Sonya and Kano wandered Outworld until they came to the Kuatan province where they overheard Kahn's plan - to kill Liu Kang and Johnny Cage. She sent a distress signal to Jax, her partner on Earth, to put them under protection. Later, the two found themselves ambushed (Shang Tsung became privy to where they were when he overheard Jax telling Cage why he came to save him - and thus ordered his troops to scour the area until they found them). Sonya and Kano were forced to be Kahn's prisoners.....until the Earth warriors got to Kahn's Arena and Jax was able to set them free. Kano ran off, but she and Jax went back to Earth.

MORTAL KOMBAT 3
Upon coming back to Earth, Sonya and Jax tried to warn their government about these otherworldy threats and pleaded for some form of preparation to these enemies. But they had no proof, so nothing was done. And when the Outworld invasion hit, all they could do was watch. But Sonya received a vision from Raiden explaining to her what happened....she eventually met up with the other Earth warriors and aided them in fighting against Kahn. During these wars, she and Kano had a fight on top of a skyscraper. She knocked him off the building and assumed she had killed him. In the end, the Earth was returned to normal, and they had all the proof they needed. With the government's consent, Sonya and Jax started the Outerworld Investigation Agency - dedicating to locating these new worlds and finding out more about them so something like this never happens again.

She and Jax were traveling the desert on some mission when their team uncovered Cyrax's body. They decided to restore him as a new asset to their team.

MORTAL KOMBAT 4
With her OIA connections, Sonya had a new asset and advantage in her fight against the Black Dragon. Most of them had been wiped out save for one - Jarek. She was hunting him down in China when Jax called her away from the mission to attend to some OIA obligations - a rift was seen somewhere over where she was. She had to investigate. A copter was on the way to pick her up......Johnny Cage was on it. The two headed off to where the rift was...there they met up with Liu Kang, Kai, and Sub-Zero. Liu Kang shared the info of what transpired with Shinnok, Edenia, etc. and Sonya decided to join them in this fight. She got an OIA team to open a portal to Edenia and they went in to fight. As they wandered, Sonya was surprised to see Jarek there. But instead of fighting, they had to join forces. Their survival was necessary by all means. In the end, they all won. After that, Sonya turned on Jarek intent on taking him in. He resisted arrest and ended up off a cliff....Sonya then returned back to her base.
There, she assisted Jax with reviving Cyrax's humanity.

MORTAL KOMBAT DEADLY ALLIANCE
Sonya was closing up the last dangerous portal in Earth when Jax radioed her saying that the OIA headquarters had been destroyed....which meant Cyrax and Kenshi were trapped in Outworld. Soon after, Raiden contacted her asking to meet on Shang Tsung's island. When she got there, she met up with the other Earth warriors. Raiden explained the situation and they all went into Outworld to combat the Deadly Alliance - but more importantly, Sonya decided to search for Cyrax and Kenshi while on her way to the rendezvous point. She didn't find them, I suppose, but what she DID find was Mavado.....Shang Tsung was aware that the Earth warriors were in and he sent Mavado out to take care of them. Sonya was defeated by him, but she learned about the Red Dragon through this battle. She made her way to the rendezvous point with the other Earth people but they were outnumbered. She was killed in battle by a bunch of Tarkata.

MORTAL KOMBAT DECEPTION era
When Onaga returned, he revived all of the dead including Sonya. He put her under his influence and thus was being controlled by him. She was used as an enforcer to impose his will upon Edenia. She was like this for most of it all.......until Liu Kang and Ermac came and freed her and the other controlled Earth warriors. Following that, Sonya aided in the fall of the Dragon King. After, she went back to Earth.

MORTAL KOMBAT ARMAGEDDON
see the bio. My opinions I wish MK Special Forces was released the way it was meant - so that we could learn alot more about Sonya. Make this a more interesting discussion. Sonya's story is interesting since it adds a real world aspect to the MK universe. So I always enjoyed that facet of her.

thanks for clear my mind legacy,i think in worng way.
you're right in everything,i just say my point of view and what i've understand.
this time i misunderstood legacy.
i apologize.
but aboput the storyline thing...wait and see how much Vogel and the rest of his team(if Vogel have a suport team specifically fro storyline,i don't know).
Maybe Vogel don't choose alone,but he have this power,tough is NOT a absolute power as i stated!
Yeah is hard to believe,but Vogel can do everything he want,but the only condition is that "thing" must be sensed.


ohhh...i forgot to talk about Sonya,she's my favourite female character and my second character after Cage(the difference is minimal)...i can say that Sonya is almost draw with Cage.
I don't like this bio we don't know anything new about the stroyline and with a lot of probabily Jax will return in cyborg form.

About Sonyas bio:

A-W-E-S-O-M-E!!!!!!!!

I just couldn’t be happier (well, I could but a few of those detail later). The bio is perfect, and its lucky number 7, and right after Johnny Cages! .

*****THE GOOD*****

*Personality*

First of all, I really like the way she “speaks” (as to say) in this bio, you always get a light of the characters personality in the bios when reading them, because it is as if they were really speaking to you and you figure out a bit how their personalities work.

Once again you get the confirmation of her true loyalty towards the forces of light and her world, its awesome to see her speak proudly of her realm, but its even better to see her “dangerously angry/calm” when it comes to threats that harm her world and that break the laws.

A strict stern severe bitch with an attitude. I just love that about Sonya.

You hear her speak in a calm way but you know she is dangerous, and when affronting face-to-face the situation, you know she will release the anger and sarcasm we all love.

As she said in Konquest: “I have FULL authority”. That line just plain rocked!

She definitely sounds like a leader here, and as known, the main leader of her organization.

*Black Dragon/Red Dragon*

I love how she refers to Kano as a “particular thorn in her side”. She despises but finds the time to mock him a bit I guess.

It’s just great that they decided to give Sonya new stuff to worry about, new threats etc, and unlike some people believe, the black dragon story has been away from her character since MKDA; her main mission in that game was to save her partners, worry about the safety of her organization, and of course, fight with the heroes to defeat the deadly alliance.

But its good to hear she has more important matters now into her hands, and Im guessing she still doesn’t know about the “new black dragon” criminals. That would had been nice to know about.

But we STILL need closure, if the Black Dragons and Red dragons are still active, its all known that they will, whether Sonya is facing them directly or not, still play important roles in her character, and that she will eventually have to fight them all again.

That’s one thing I didn’t like about this bio, but more of that later.

*Tekunin/Sektor*

I loved the idea since day one, ever since the Tekunin clan was confirmed as part of the storyline in MKTE, I knew they would somehow tie with Sonya and the Special Forces, making Sektor another of her many main enemies.

Also, it was assumed in the past that there was a rivalry in the way because of MK Golds story, where it had Sektor, in the endings, kill Sonya, and Jax for helping Cyrax, who died as well.

I love that they (well, I talk in plural guessing that Ed plays a role, but I guess Vogel takes most of the credit in the bios) made her angry about this new threat and how she is doing all she can do, and that’s all, to stop them.

With luck, this rivalry and storyline will be continued in MK8+, this is the twist Sonya needed, but if she is to return, I do hope to see more new stuff.

But who is Sektor working with? Who did he have to ally with to have more chances in his evil plots? Could it be Shinnok? I really like this bit of still un-covered info, cant wait to see whats in store. Good enough for the discussions.

*Jax*

Wow, some awesome new details here. Its really cool to know he and Sonya are as close as ever as friends fighting against of all that its evil. Its also cool to learn that his ending in MKA finally makes a bit of sense. So, he was captured, and rapped by Sektor, all sounds great for Jax fans, he will finally get his twist! Awesome!

I just hope they don’t seem to suddenly forget his scary rage, developed during MKU.

I really like that he was mentioned in her bio, it gives us more to wonder.

*****THE BAD*****

Well, its not really horrible stuff but I feel Sonyas bio should had covered a bit more that went unnoticed, which sucks:

*Taven*

Her confrontation with Taven should had been mentioned, though not really necessary since its already in Konquest and we know why they fought, it would had still rocked to see her interact a bit more with him after the “I have full authority” speech and after she telling him she will keep an eye on him. If she really said that its because they actually talked and she learned more of him.

*Deceptions idiotic death/resurrection crap*

Once again, my fears that the stupid killing of the heroes during MKD was unnecessary and lame are confirmed. No real detail of that incident is mentioned.

I mean, did she even die????? Did all the heroes really die or were they just enchanted? Or where only some enchanted and not killed?

I just hate how little info on the Onaga thing is given from the affected characters. Unless Vogel or someone else has a bright idea to shock us in the future about the consequences and effects of those deaths, its all worthless.

They all seem to be happy and ignorant of what really happened there. It would had been nice to at least read a bit of bitterness, confusion, sadness and anger about that incident, but so far, zero.

Hopefully its written all in one bio (say, Shujinkos, Liu kangs, or Ermacs), about what were their reactions. If they cried, screamed, felt confused and torn, etc.

*Kano, Mavado and the Black/Red Dragons*

Though it has already been established that her main concerned is the Tekunin, because even if she defeated them they have not been truly annihilated, it would had been nice to read more about these villains.

I mean, does she know about the “new black dragons?”, is she aware that Kano is still alive? What are her feelings towards the red dragons now that they are gathering strength? Does she even know Kira? Is she aware Kabal betrayed them? Etc.

If Daegon is still involved in the futures storylines with Sonya, then these two might have some sort of rivalry eventually. He is leading an enemy clan, thanks to him it was created, he is to be detsroyed.

*Johnny Cage*

Though not really important because it can be assumed already, it would had been nice to read about him informing her of the new threat.

We can assume he eventually found her and told her about this, and she agreed to go to defend the worlds again, but a bit of interaction would had rocked, specially since (as an immortal Sonya/Cage shipper) I had hoped they would had given a sort of clue or indication about a possible romance between the tough blond and the movie star.

Oh well, I guess no more bios will even touch that little possibility, but with luck, in the future, a romance might be developed.

*Cyrax/Kenshi*

A mention about these two would had been nice.

I guess Cyrax might be on a mission or left the SF, and I also guess Sonya didn’t really care about Kenshi, since she didn’t complain about his departure either.


So overall, this is an EXCELLENT bio, and I take my hat off for Vogel who did an excellent job pleasing not only Sonya fans but also the general community for this kick ass bio. Good job Vogel! We love you!

I just hope you read a bit of our suggestions and guesses so you can see what the fans want or are wondering or complaining about.

Good job!



Excellent resume of Sonyas history. Good job!

I really love her storyline, its not as stale as people make it. And thanks to MKA, its all looking perfect for her.

And I agree, MKSF would had been much better with her on it (well, with Tobias still on it actually).

With luck, they might make a new game based on her and her comrades: Jax, Cyrax and Kenshi. And as extra characters maybe Johnny Cage, Rayden and Liu Kang. It would rock.



Johnny Cage and Sonya are both top faves of mine. Sonya being my fave of the two, but Cage is very close as well. We like the same heroes.