ok...i'll go for my 6th series win in a row when we do douche bag

wow atari, you are a bigger scrub then i ever imagined

I would say you do have to prove you can play without that controller. Obviously it doesn't help you in MKA, and it shows.

And before you say that lag is what shows when you play MKA... almost everything you complain about, has been happening to me since day 1. That shit happens and you get beat by Player A, and I'll turn around and beat Player A 10-4 or something. I've read that shit hundreds of times from you. That's why I don't and never will buy into your shit.

MKD is another story. There are no defensive measures given. Your blind assault gets paid off greatly in that game. So when I notice things like you doing combo/move after combo/move with no recovery or performing a very difficult maneuver like double Hell-Fires consistently... and then come to find out, it's all a bunch of shit that you can program into your controller....

Do you blame me? Honestly?

I mean, there's just such a HUGE discrepency between games for you. Eazy is still really good. So is/was G_Roy, Doohoo, and Pig as well as some PS2 guys like Versatile and M2Dave for example.

Look at our scores even... 20-4, MKA. 20-17, MKD.

Am I the only one that thinks that's too much discrepency?


So anyway... To me, this is nothing but adding things up. If you prove it... I'll give a huge, fat, apology to you. No problem.

But until then; I see what I see. And certain things seem to make sense.

Chaos - I really dont understand why scores matter to you or anyone else in this unbalanced game. Lag > Skill. Case closed.

Furthermore, comparing our results vs other players as a measurement who is the better player can be inaccurate even for MKD. Let alone in MKA where the connection, which is the most dominate factor in games, between any two players will always be unique. It becomes ridiculous. Half the time people cant even connect to the same people you have great games with.



Dude, the online play is broken and can only be played for entertainment purposes.

Also -

People jump on the Atari sucks ban wagon because of these new startling revelations about my controller. (I said I used one a LONG time ago) But thanks to the controversy people have gained a better understanding about them. If they can understand how they are used during gameplay, hopefully they will be able to understand better when I speak about how lag affects this game. Its so freaking unbalanced you have no idea......but knowing is not a bad thing for you. You'll play through it. You'll continue to adapt and write it off as , "ok he can instant parry". I guess that why you hold onto "results".



And when you talk about my success in MKD, as opposed to MKA, it coincides with what I have been saying after 1 month of playing this game.



My knowledge of the game that I have learned from using the controller hinders me greatly.....because I KNOW better than to believe what the hell is going on. And I lol everytime I see it happening. I still enjoy playing the game because, I dont know, its a challenge. I dont mind losing. Why do you think MKD vets left after the 1st month of MKA?? Cause of Parries? lol.


At any rate, I will try to contact Doohoo again. After we play, Im going to send the video directly to you Chaos. I want that apology. lol.

I don;t see the phrase "Atari sucks" in any of of the recent posts.... we are saying that you are decent but have a scrub mentality that shows itself through you attitude on this forum. Don't get me wrong, i have my moments but I still understand the attitude it takes to get better. You have leveled off. So, keep trying to find little ways to make yourself appear better than you really are.

Also, you just wrote a book about how much this game is broken and how much it sux. Why do you waste so much time playing and talking about a game you don't even like.

"Scrub mentality" - That is the dumbest thing I ever heard. You need to lay off the Krazy Bone rhetoric for a while. WTF is this.

Just say you suck. You guys are crazy.

You have a 'Scrub mentality' Atari...

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Online world is full of Jive turkeys!.. Everyone wants to feel important.

Social classification online is one of the dumbest things I've seen. It's bad enough in our flawed society but to transfer it to online gaming is actually somewhat scary.

I never called anybody a scrub. I don't think I've ever said that. I think it's one of those gay words. Same as "lol".

Atari-

The whole basis of your argument is that lag > skill. You and RedSaleen are the biggest supporters of this theory. By coincidence... you were both a lot better at MKD than you are at MKA.

According to vids posted by Red... this insane lag that goes on for him is no different than what (at least) I see, probably most of the other players, too. Seems to me that neither one of you see anything "unique". Safeness, missed air combos, missed ground combos, instant-parries, etc... I know I get it all.

So why would I buy the lag > skill theory?

So in saying that... My suspicion remains (and is actually strengthened) when I find out that the game you were good at (MKD), had the potential to have frames erased/cancelled (my suspicion), and gave you the ability to use "insane MKD style 50/50's" and other tactics.

Really, can you blame me? This is all coming from a logical standpoint. Nothing personal. I'm simply taking what I've seen and adding it up. Surely you can't think I'm being unreasonable.

The only issue is that you blame your performance solely on lag, claiming it's a completely and uniformly non-adjustable situation. I don't buy that part.

Chaos - I agree with you to a point., but only because I'm incapable of agreeing with someone completely.

Seriously though....as far as MKD there are a lot of things you dont know that you automatically assume you are not capable of doing.


Back stepping AND holding up cancels out recovery frames that prevent you from performing a another special. Key words - another special. It works with all characters. Its just more effective for certain characters.


Dai - its best to hold up then do another TSD. Scorp its best to backstep, tap up, then hellfire.

So whereas you are quick to point out the use of a programmable controller, I cant help but think you dont fully understand what's going on.


50/50's are a mind game. It has NOTHING to do with the use of a controller. Come on man. Think about it. Even so, USUALLY the extent of which I program a sequence would be 1,1,2,CS or something like that. Come on man.


@ lag - at any given time EVERYONES experience is different and affects GAMEPLAY differently.

So where you may be able to deal with whiffing throws, some one else may be greatly affected by it. Maybe you dont mind because you can safely back flip, or parry after the throw. Maybe you connect with a low poke that takes priority over your opponents counter. Who knows. Same with low pokes. If my low pokes keep whiffing, then why should my opponent feel any urgency to duck.

Or in Mesofly's case, why should he stop throwing out instant parries? If he mis times it, 25% chance I'll counter. And what I counter with probably wont be safe when it whiffs or he blocks. Why should he feel the pressure of making that mistake? Maybe none of this matters because you are soley an offensive player. Maybe you play to win and use Sareena every game. Who knows.

That means there are too many variables. There is 100% absolutely no way you can compare values of ANYTHING that is inconsistent. It isnt logically possible.

LOL@JTF for saying that we would get along because we both think Lag>Skill. WTF? LOL. I guess if we didnt agree, we wouldnt get along.


Reminds me of the episode on Seseme Street I saw the other day with my kid. It featured these two little kids who were best friends. They were happily singing about how they agreed on everything. Then one day, disagreed on something and became ENRAGED with one another. LOL. Good episode. I got to find a link to it and post it for JTF.

chaos , i didn't me to put words in your mouth....

I know. I wasn't responding to you.


Atari-

I like your post. That's why I don't think you should blanket everything about MKA with a claim like "lag > skill".

Remember... you're not talking to a player who believes in "adapting" to anything. I support that a lot of things are possible/impossible due to lag as much or more than anybody. I've had posts out the ass devoted solely to instances like that.

so it looks life like there are only people actively posting in the past 4 days or so on this site.... makes me appreciate mkc. atari how come you don't post there?

instant parries work offline too.

it is only how it looks to the opponent on the other screen because my screen may be slightly ahead of my opponents.

But it happens to me too...like everyone.

Chaos is right. I am 10 times better in MKA than i was in MKD. maybe it is because i played it longer and from the beginning this time but I think it has more to do with my options and the ability to adapt to styles.

Easy used to beat me 10-0 or 10-1 every time...He did this to everyone just about. But recently my scores have been better..yet Atari's are still bad.Just something i noticed.

Everyone says exactly what PTW and chaos are saying about your game Atari. Maybe we are not all crazy and you suck at this game.

I would love to play you offline because I know about your air 50/50 and I must tell you its damn good. You may win at first but I would adapt like any real player at this game and you would end up losing because you don't have the ability to adapt like most of us.

Lag is not greater than skill but it helps produce and evolve skill.

Mesofly - Im sure everything happens to everybody all the time more than everyone else. But that's not the point.

Chaos - I have read some of those post and you have made some valid arguments that I would like to have seen addressed. But they usually fall on deaf ears. Especially when you are speaking to someone who doesnt experience the same scenarios as you or as frequently.


Another problem is most people don't take the time to read things thoroughly enough to understand it. They will however take the time to read every beef/gossip/flame war, and at times myself included.


So I usually try to keep it real simple without giving a ton of details. I've tried to explain before what I discovered through use of a programmable controller, but the fact I use the PC takes precedence over the knowledge I shared.




We both know there are many variables that can affect the basic fighting mechanics during online play. I believe to what degree and how frequent one will experience unfavorable or favorable lag, varies on an individual basis. Even on the best connection between two players, I found that it is NEVER an even playing field.


Simplified again, Lag > Skill. And that doesnt mean Lag wins every game. It just means it has a greater effect.
Problem lies with MidWays poor programming. In fact, offline play has its share of whiffed attacks also. But at least its consistent enough to reasonably adapt to.


But of course, according to the scores, I suck.

your right...what you said is not the point.

This is the point


"I would love to play you offline because I know about your air 50/50 and I must tell you its damn good. You may win at first but I would adapt like any real player at this game and you would end up losing because you don't have the ability to adapt like most of us.

Lag is not greater than skill but it helps produce and evolve skill."

What makes you think that I dont adapt more than you do, or "everyone else"?

@Atari
Are you surprised that Mesofly said that?
Mesofly does not feel lag > skill.
He feels skill > lag.

Hence he feels
Mesofly > Atari
Simply because of the debate at hand.

atari talks like he is the best to ever pick of a controller... errrrr programmed controller

GG's Easy - we played like 40-50 games or something. GG's. Im working on a few characters also. I like the way Reptile feels. Hotaru, ah man hes a beast. I think that was the first time I even selected him. Nasty 50/50's that are really safe. Great distance game also. I kept getting "reconnect controller" message, that will make it the 3rd time I repaired the wire. All in different places.


If I cant fix the programmable controller, I will retire.

@Atari-How do you make a programmable controller, and what controller do you use? Madcatz?

mkf ...when do you want to play man?

MKF is good p2w but your skills have surpassed MKF and a lot of people that are considered decent/good at this game. I don't know you how became so good so quick. I give you much props on that.

Villain - I have a store bought Mad Catz controller.

I've had to splice the wire to repair the connection. Thats it.

I know how to build one, but never took the time to do it.