As far as the question in the thread title, I don't think Midway even knew it was broken, so I don't think they really looked at the game that way. Not that makes it alright (because it doesn't) but I think they just don't look at fighting games the way the people who play them do, which is a huge problem they need to solve.

Very irritating to say the least.
The only game I ever tried to play competitively was UMK3, and I sucked at it really badly, but it was nice to see that the more effort and time I put into playing, the better I got at the game. I'd imagine it would have taken a hell of a lot of time to master even half of the characters in that game (or at least, much, much longer than it probably did with MKD). That's how it should be.
Anyway it's pretty much common knowledge at these boards that MKD is horrible pile of shit to play, what we should be doing is talking about how it can be improved upon. I know, even that can only be done so many times (God only knows how many times we've all listed what basics NEED to be included in MK7) and ultimately it's up to Midway, but the least we can do is try. If we keep talking about it maybe somebody will read it.

Correct, we need to infest the future MK forum with gameplay threads, but I'm not very optimistic, as 90% of the threads there deals with costumes, storylines, characters rosters, etc... stuff that is neat, but not fundamental to gameplay issues that urgently need to be addressed.
I hope they'll make a new engine for MK7.
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Guys every game is broken,no one realizes it though,why i don't know,UMK3 great game,but 98% Smoke combos in the corner ???Come on??Deception is a great game when played right,i have played tons of players with great skill,just go onto the xbox live forums or the PS2 ones,and you will see,but you won't because you know that i'm right.
You have to play the game right,the way it's supposed to be played,it's alot more challenging and alot more fun.Not to sound conceited or anything,but i'm one of the most respected players on there on Deception,not because i abuse infinites,but because i play the game the way it's supposed to be played with clean cut combos and precise throws.

MK:D online is nothing that great. Trust me. I've dealt with Smoke infinites, a broken Dairou (damn you M2Dave and Deftones!!! ), God-tiered Bo Rai Cho, Darrius 50/50's, players who pulled after I won, and worst of all, gamesharkers/codebreakers/action replayers.
I ran into one of those things at least once everytime I played.
Some of the things are in the game and can be exploited, but the point is that they SHOULDN'T be in the game. Gamecube fixed the Dariou problem, but there were STILL problems.
All I've got to say is that we NEED to make a sticky at the top of the next MK game board about gameplay changes and suggestions. Anybody who disagrees just simply doesn't like MK to improve past what it is now, and I'm pretty sure we all want MK to improve past what it is now.

We actually do have a sticky at the top of the future MK games discussion board, but now that it's there, it's kind of like the issue is off to one side, away from the rest of the discussion and very few people actually read it. It's like having a sticky for it is almost a bad thing.
So... I don't really know what a good solution to that might be, but we definitely do need to get more people out of this complacent "Oh well, it's a bad game, them's the breaks, enjoy it for what it is" mindset, and get more people talking about what's wrong, why , and how to solve it.
At the moment it's like we have all these people that say "We want a better engine" - and that's all they say, they don't know why or how to make it better, and only about a half a dozen people who can specifically say what's wrong and how to fix it.
I guess the only way to make people understand is to explain to them and argue the facts over and over until they get it, and decide they want to ask for decent system of play rather than having Rain return.

Think back to DA for just a second, when that 5 year hiatis was finally broken, were you happy to see MK back in full force, or disappointed that there was only 1 fatality? Were there people compaining about the DA fighting system after news that Another MK was in devolopment, were there people on the boards crying about how they didnt like the combo system?

Point is, people are gonna be disappointed with EVERY game no matter the developers do. Last year in February, when i was reading about MKD, i could not wait to get my hands on it, just the fact that it was going to have all these extras that MKDA didnt have made me shit my pants, then when i played it, i wasnt disappointed with it til i got online, as far as that whole game can go, it was great until i got to use the online mode (and discovered that fcuken Tanya was in it). They could have concentrated on alot more problems with the fighting system, instead they slacked off with a shittay online mode,

Then to make things alot worse for 99.6% of MK fans, they re-release it months later on GC with Shao Kahn and Goro (Still pisses me off). If they need to fix anything broken here, its their attitudeand appriecation towards theirLoyal fans.

Well, I think I'll go to the Future game board and check out the stickied topic and read most of it, if time permits me to do so.

If you love MK,you will love every MK game bottom line,i'm tired of hearing all of these so called MK fans ripping Deception apart like an old rag doll,the game got Best Fighter of the year in 04,several fighting game awards,Gamespot,Gamepro,Game informer,Best longevity,which is a reward that very few if any games ever get anymore,if you guys know what the award means. Yes it's broken but what game isn't in some point,every game i have ever played has glitches,no game is perfect,people that say good games suck are players that suck themselves in the game,they just won't admit it.
I love MK to death,i'll never turn my back on MK like some people on here and claim to be a MK fan.
Online play rocks for the XBOX anyway,the PS2 one is a joke between hackers,game shark and so forth,on the xbox,all you have to worry about are some pullers,other than that the XBOX version of Deception is so much better than the PS2 version.
And i guess thats too bad that the GC version got everyone plus Goro and Shao Kahn,AAAAWWWW well.Good i'm glad nintendo had something that the other two didn't have for once,since it often gets over looked anyway.

to me its not a big deal, i have better things to worry about then getting beat
up in mk and i have over 30 ps 2 games. So i pretty much enjoy anything that comes along. To tell the truth the online mode is the only thing that is mostly revolutionary in the world of mk, beside the 3 d graphique and its the reason why you folks still talk about it until this day. Unless you just own the game since yesterday.

Nice logic. I suppose now that I'm a Tekken fan, I have to like Tekken 4, which is shit. And then, since I'm and SNK and Capcom fan, I have to like SvC Chaos, which is shit. Oh, and don't forget that I'm a Batman fan, which means I have to like Batman & Robin, which is shit, or else I'm not a fan. In other words, I have to be a hypocrit and lie and say that I like something that blows or else, be damned, I'm not its fan.

It's nice to know that every fighting game has slow-ass moves in 99% of the movelists, block delays after those moves, infinites guaranteed after a simple throw, 50/50s abound, and, be damned again, a shitty breaker system limited so that you'll be screwed by the former once they're used up. It also makes humanity much more relaxed to know that it's shitty players making the game suck, and not developers, because as we all know, the shitty players are the reason this stuff exists.

That's good to hear. If only more people thought like that, Midway would have another reason to make another over-the-top-broken game, since nobody will be allowed to care, and then be banished from the land for lacking as a "fan" upon critisizing it in any way. Thanks for showing the light.

Difference being, the infinites and 100%'s in UMK3 are VERY hard to pull off in actual match play...with the exception of a select few like Kung Lao's corner inf.
People watch the UMk3 combo videos and don't know how hard those combos are to execute...

Who cares if your the biggest MK fan there ever has been, if you cant call something that you love down, then mabey its time you get a reality check. You love your mother dont you? Can you honestly say that you never once called her a bitch, out loud, or even under your breath?

Sometimes I just want to vomit at the ridiculous shit I see on this site, but it really gets to me when people blindly defend things with no reason.
Deal with this concept for a minute.
When MK7 comes out, no one will give a damn about MKD. It exists right now, and it is terrible. Bottom line. It's one of the worst fighting games ever made. I can support this statement with facts about the game, vs facts about other games, and also including the age of the games as well.
The amount of effort put into the fighting engine for MKD was minimal. It is obvious. It has a lot of bells and whistles that stimulate certain areas of the brain that gameplay does not, and this is more likely to attract players than a good game. This is why the life span is so short.
UMK3 = best gameplay of any MK game bar none. It is why it is still being played 10 years later. NO ONE plays MK4, or MKDA competitively anymore and has not for a long time. The same will go for MKD. Hopefully MK7 will be better.

I don't like the fighting system...(I don't know how many times I 've said that)
It needs to be a little more flashy and exciting, but it *looks* cool.(not the fighting system, just the MK characters and stuff)
Get some more flexibility and Tekken style sh*t and the game would be perfect. For one thing the fighting system in Shaolin Monks looks enticing, and if it's more like that in MK7 then I think we're in for something good.

I think that you guys have different definitions for the word FINATIC.
Granted UMK3 infinites are hard to pull off,but still the infinites are still there,are they not???
If Deception is crap,garbage etc,then why are there so many people online playing it on live every night when i turn my xbox on????Can you answer that Kung,Purple???Let me guess people area ll dumb and they enjoy playing shit for a game,right???And i hate to tell you this man,but MK1 through MK:DA nobody really plays anymore nation wide,more people are playing Deception now,obviously because it's newer but still.I'm not saying that i don't want to see more UMK 3 players/Calssic MK players out there,i live in NY so there has to be players here that still play the game besides myself.I just can't find any around me or that will enable me to get to them or them to me without a problem.I already looked into the online gig,my computer is a p.o.s.,that really bites,but i still play UMK3,best fighter in the arcades IMO,or one of the best.
All i'm saying is that i love MK bottom line,yes i want improved gameplay,yes i want a smoother engine,yes i want better graphics,i want it all as a fan should want,but i'm also a die hard MK fanatic.I'm a Yankee fan,if they do bad now,i should turn my back HEEEELLLLL NO,if you do that then guess what there's no point in being a fan of them now is there!?
I rest my case,you either see my point or you don't. MK Forever

OK so what exactly is your point? That your a big MK fan? Ok who cares, Or is it that MK is an amazing series? Ok so fcuken what, are you trying to say that your the only one here that loves MK? I dont know if you know this, but your not the only die hard fan here, there are alot of other people here that think the same way, and guess what, cause they dont say it, doesnt mean they aint thinking it. You need to just chill with your whole uppity attitude towards your love and appriecation for MK. You just completly dodged the idea here, you advocated everything right down to where you live and prolly have the pin number to your bank account hidden subliminally in there somewheres.

We are just discussing things that people dont like about MK since it came out, and until they take down the MKD forum or someone says we cant talk about the problems, guess what, we're gonna talk about it til Mk Twenty Fcuken 8 comes out its still not gonna change the fact that there are problems with it. And as you mentioned professional sports teams, HA! god damn, so what, people never had a favorite team that sucked ass at one point in their career? Of course they did, will they always suck ass? Hopfully not, Did MK always suck ass? Fcuk No, Can it suck ass? Of course it can, everything has the possibility of failing, mabey just not tommorow or the next day. And if that day does ever come, there will be someone out there that W I L L like it just cause. and there W I L L always be even more people that dont like it.

Everyone always says that fighting games never provide enough action, characters, and special features. It's just how life is.
P.S. All the mk games are messed up. Dumass

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I agree, just because some of the games sucked doesn't mean we don't like 'em. example, MK3 sux but i enjoyed playing as some of the new characters such as Sheeva and Cyrax. I just don't understand why people go on this website and criticize MKD constantly
P.S. I hate critics

LOL! Why you on a forum then?

I've gotta say though. If your sports team sucked one year, are you going to deny that?
Obviously not. Look at MK:D as a "sucky year". The game was good short term, but didn't accomplish anything in the long run, yet the fans still want the games to come out and do better than the last installment.
Do you even get what I'm saying?
If not, theres no point.

The sports team analogy is good.
mkflegend, you're very quick to call yourself a 'fanatic'. What is a fanatic, exactly? Let's take a look.
"fanatic
adj : marked by excessive enthusiasm for and intense devotion to a cause or idea; "rabid isolationist" [syn: fanatical, overzealous, rabid] n : a person motivated by irrational enthusiasm (as for a cause); "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject"--Winston Churchill [syn: fiend]"
Irrational indeed.
I've given up reasoning with mkflegend, and I think you guys should too.

So i can prove critics wrong and make idiots(like you negative1) stop hatin on MKD. Dumbass

But you aint proving anything wrong shitcakes, and now by dodging the topic and strickly focusing on me, completely depletes your whole purpose of being in a " D I S C U S S I O N forum. And whether or not what we're are discussing is negative about MK, it is still a related topic to the forum you are currently browzing

Nice Try Though.

Now as for the topic at hand.....Someone earlier had mentioned why people dont talk about why they dont talk about the good thigns they like about Mk, Well obviously because, its more interesting to hear about the things they dont like, if you didnt have people like me on MKO then mabey it'd go a bit smoother. Also a postive list about MK would be too short and couldn't be discussed in a matter as compared to the things that the fans want improved, IE Fatalities, people like fatalities, they just dont like some of the kinds there are. So if they talked about the fatalities they liked, Ok then what .?

Without critics there won't be any progression, you can't make something better until someone points out what's wrong in the first place.
and in Deception's case if that means not liking the whole game then so be it.
With that said I can say I wish these 3D MK games were never released and everyone's memory of MK would be of the 2D games.