Krackerjack,i see your point,yes i'm a fanatic man about MK,i love MK,all i'm saying is that no game is "PERFECT" know what i mean,every fighter has flaws even the great fighters,example UMK3,MK2,SF etc.
But we play them because we love the game or the series,me it's because i love the MK series to death,i have always loved it,always have and always will,and only when and if MK dies for good will i submit to another fighter,until then MK is the best of all time IMO.
I don't have a problem with anyone,the only thing i ask is to have my opinion respected just like everyone else.
And no offense but the guy who said every MK game sucked,you seriously have to kill the drugs your taking.

People who love deep fighting games and are always bitching about MK really piss me off. And since when is UMK3 a good fighting game?

"If you love MK,you will love every MK game bottom line"
Ok that has now eclipsed every dumbass quote ever made. Feel proud for being such a moron.
And UMK3 is the best MK game. This is fact. Not opinion. Don't put MKD in the same sentence as it. And don't compare UMK3 infinites to MKD infinites. MKD infinites can be done by playing with your feet blind folded. UMK3 infinites are rare in real gameplay. MK2kungbroken is right. NOONE will be playing MKD 10 years from now. UMK3 still is being played.

Menthol seriously this is why you have no class,simply because i can have a mature conversation without insulting or putting another user down,your opinions are not FACTS know it all,yes granted UMK 3 is a great game,but so is Deception if you play the game RIGHT,UNDERSTAND LITTLE BOY,because it's obvious that you can't comprehend that,and your calling me a moron LOL.
Go back to your classic threads kid,why are you even here huh???Since you hate Deception so much,answer that huh???Play me in Deception and i will not only kick your ass all over the floor but i will show you how to play the game the way it was meant to be played,but thats right you have the pitiful PS 2 with all the hackers and the Gameshark BS going on.
UMK3 is a great game,but it's also old school kid news flash kid it's 2005,as much as i wasnt UMK3 to be hot again,it's not like it used to until or unless Midway releases UMK3,MK2 online in the future for a real legit system online(Example xbox ,Nintendo or PS)and not some download BS that about 50 people know about.
You are such a wanna be MK fan it's ridiculous kid.

"mature"
"kid"
I havea hard time believing you're the first one. I have an easy time knowing you're the second one based on your insane way of typing.
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Now, down to business. To play the best MK, there's no choice but to live in the past playing UMK3. it is the best fighting entry in the MK series. MKD does not compare. It is shit.
And you're far from trying to have a mature discussion based on your IGNORANT comment "you are not a fan unless you love every MK". That is without a doubt the most ignorant(retarded) comment ever made on these boards. It's like saying "you're not a fan of movies unless you love every movie ever made". Sound retarded? Well, it is. It's basically what you just implied..

Good fighting game it wasn't really. It was the best of the MK's though and it was far from bad. Just don't know if I'd call it good. It was more balanced than mk 2.
Most games do have flaws in them. However thats poor logic to use. Thats like comparing a man with 10 dollars to a man with a million dollars. Sure they've both got money but one of them has a hell of a lot more money than the other. Deception has flaws and it has a hell of a lot more than the other fighting games. Compare to tekken or vf. Tekken 5 flaws. No wall tech. Possible complaints steve is too safe and too good on walled stages. Compare that to a list of flaws with deception. They don't even come close.

talk about mature, you keep insulting everyone and telling them off. you keep shoving your opinon down everyones throught when you are simply wrong.
i love mk well loved mk. its been shit since mk4. everyone knows that except you. you have no right to say mkd is better or comes close to umk3.
umks kicks mkds figting engine right in its tuna rotting vag. people still play umk3 and still love umk3. 9 out of 10 people mock,critize, and have stopped playing mkd after a week. your the only fool that has there head shoved so far up your ass that you honestly believe mkd is a good game. you say," o reviewers think this is a good game, they have it awards." so the fuck what. its a damn reviewer not the masses. the masses say this game bloew. and thats final
and once again you have no fucking right to call anyone immature or a moron. if you dont want to be bitched at for giving a half-ass attempt at trying to defend mkd , give facts if you can find any and or dont make threads like this. understand, comprende?
o and another thing, to the one noob who calls everyone a "dumass" its dumbass
love the grammer nazi
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Can someone tell me what you all mean by "broken"?

"Broken" is used to describe something in a game that unbalances it, or a game being unbalanced so that character A is so much better than character B, that character B doesn't stand a chance against character A, if that makes sense. Something being so effective or ineffective that it makes the game very difficult to play, or undermines the purpose of the game.
Games with sevrely broken characters or tactics are said to be be broken too.
Urbandictionary.com's first definition on this page.

oooooooooooooooooooooooooo. well i guess i do sorta agree

For some reason I still find MKD fun to play, as a whole. I LOVED Konquest, and hope they do something similar. Puzzle was fun, and chess was alright too.
The fighting, unfortunately, is broken as all get out. True, all games are broken to some degree....I agree. But the AMMOUNT of brokeness in MKD is staggering. I will not go as far as to say it is the worst game ever made-it is at least playable. However, yes, with the ammount of infinites alone, it is pretty frustrating.
I still find myself having fun playing people who use the broken stuff to win online. For some reason, there are times I just can't put it down. Maybe it's just the MK atmosphere I love, more than the gameplay. Who knows.
Point is MKFlegend, I love MK..I would wager to say at least as much or maybe even more than you do. I love the characters and the atmosphere, and I absolutely ADORE the style of gameplay MKD was trying to accomplish (I'll say it again...no other 3d fighting game does special moves, teleports, and projectiles like MKD, but they do need to be more effective). But as much as I love the universe, the characters, and they gameplay they were trying to implement, I have to realize that with all the infinites, OBVIOUS lack of playtesting (painfully so at times..) and balance issues, MKD needed a lot more work. Despite all of that, I still enjoy playing it, and if you are on PS2 (and if I can get it back from my cousin...) I will fight ya sometime. I typically use low tier characters, so I am pretty easy to beat.
Bottom line though: yes, if MK is going to be saved, the next one needs some serious work. It needs to please the atmosphere/storyline fanatics like myself, it needs to please the casual gamer, but it also needs to please the high level player. Accomplishing those three will be quite a feat...let's hope they are up to the job.

Ok well said Shaven,i'll debate with you on the MK fan thing,my GT is MKF LOL,but anyway thats good to hear,i would love to play you,but i have Xbox.So i doubt we will play,but i appreciate you respecting my opinion,i respect yours man,not everyone can do that,why i'll never know.

1) You keep avoiding talking about what is good about Mortal Kombat: Deception's fighting engine, choosing to bring up Tekken and why you think it's bad instead of saying why MK: D is good.
2) You keep making vague comments that you cannot back up.
3) You've got this idea into your head that you judge how good Deception's engine is by how many people play Deception online.
4) You've got this idea into your head that you judge how good Deception's engine is by how many awards it has won.

Fstyle i really don't care anymore lol,i have said what i needed to say,as much as i love MK it's not my whole life,perhaps my night life,lol,but it's not everything man.I have to call this girl now that i really like,so later man. Fstyle you have this image in your head that your view on certain games over ride other users. I'm not allowed to say how i feel about a game??

Oh jeez. =/

I haven't given "my view" on anything. You asked why people don't respect your posts so on behalf of the 90% of people who participate in gameplay threads I answered it for you.

Of course you're allowed to but if it's so illogical that it needs pointing out to benefit others as well as yourself then I will.

Please don't insult my intelligence man,i beg to differ about that comment 100%,let people speak for themselves,i hate it when people speak for other people.My points are as logical as yours are,they are just different.
This is a view on a video game,not a case in where a guy shot another guy,is he innocent or guilty,thats obvious tht the guy that shot the innocent man is wrong.There is no right or wrong in this trivial topic,it's a game man,a game,nothing more.Your taking it personally dude.

Krackerjack
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I live and breath for MK,i love it,i love every single MK game to death OK.Like Fuzzdork,Pig,said it's all a matter of opinions guys,you seem to think that your opinions are better or facts then thats just ignorant and arrogant.And i can't be bothered by people like that.It's not hard to respect another persons opinions Fstyle and kracker,i'm sure the guys with me on this can agree that we respect your opinions of Deception,why can't you respect ours???
I personally am sick of dealing with opinions. Fuck opinions. Let's deal soley with facts.
We can say MKD is riddled with things that should not be present, because it is. It's a simple fact that universal tracking is present, there is no wake ups, and that there is multiple, easy-to-pull-off infinite combo's. If you disagree then you are wrong.
Deadman90
I mean, if you don't think I'm an MK fan at all, then thats fine... I've owned just about every MK game there is to own, and hell, I even have a rare Palisades Goro figure on my computer right now... so I know I have nothing to prove. But I'm also a fan of other fighting games as well, and I know gameplay wise, sadly, Mortal Kombat just isn't the best fighting game out there anymore...
I just want to ask you though, would you like future Mortal Kombat titles to include what these guys have been talking about or no?
If not, then what do you think would improve MK?
DrCube
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And throw escapes,first of all MK is not tekken or DOA,lets get that straight,second WTF is the point in throwing someone if they are going to escape it all the time???HUH??DUMB!!!
Going by that logic, what's the point of throwing a punch if it can be blocked?
mkflegend Wrote:
Too much wrestling my friend LOL.So you want MK to be fake like wrestling then right???
What does that even mean? How does a scripted sport compare to a fictional video game?
mkflegend Wrote:
I'm done here,i'm tired of making points on why the game is good
You haven't yet, you only said the game is fun. You still haven't said anything about the game engine itself.
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And why are you on MKONLINE again??Whats wrong can't find any Tekkenonline websites. LOL
Tekken Zaibatsu has more active members than MKO.
The_Truth
I have answered both you...
You haven't answered any of their questions. Ignored, misunderstood, or scooted around the question with a vague answer maybe but you haven't answered directly what he asked.
Whatever though, carry on.
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As you can see from these replies to your posts, you're about as logical as a monkey that wanted to evolve because it was jealous of humans.
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It's just as obvious as 50/50's, infinates, bad frame-rate, bad hit-detection, unbalanced characters, no OKI system, a bad juggling system, a dial-a-combo system, is a bad thing in a fighting game.
As someone on the other side of the spectrum it is your job to say what good things are in MK: D that makes it's engine good, but you keep avoiding it and changing the subject.
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On another note, I'm not taking anything too seriously or personally, as I've said before, I find these threads hillarious, and I have you mainly to thank that for, so don't stop because of how you think I'm taking your replies.

It's funny when people talk about how you shouldn't be able to escape throws in MK when it was the only game that made throws totally worthless originally. Prior to this game you could block throws. You couldn't be thrown if you didn't allow yourself to be thrown. In fact the basic strategy of 99% of the cast on umk3 was built around that. Which makes more sense simply saying sorry you can't throw me cuz I said so or being able to escape a throw.

lol i love it how fstyle quoted people who disagreed with my points yet neglected to quote pigs,fuzzdorks etc lol,people that i believe agreed with mine hhhhmmmm,wonder why that is.Thats some obvious favoritism if i have ever seen any lol.
Post all the stuff you want to,i'm done with this thread,i have said what i needed to say,MK FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!! KM SNWO UOY YBAB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And throw escapes,first of all MK is not tekken or DOA,lets get that straight,second WTF is the point in throwing someone if they are going to escape it all the time???HUH??DUMB!!!
MKF,in Tekken and VF,different throws have different throw escapes (moreso in VF because the throw break soley depends on the throw done on you).Also,breaking a throw is not easy if you're a beginner.There are certain frame windows (some are smaller;some are larger) for each throw that only allow you to break them during that amount of time.
The throw escapes for all throws in Tekken can either be "1","2",or "1+2".So,theoretically,there is a 33% chance that you will escape a throw,but some people can look at the animation and then determine the escape.In VF,it goes a little deeper.Your command of escaping a particular throw is the same command of the throw that is being done you.There are some short cuts I think.Not sure.

The escape in VF is the last direction of the throw. So like wolf's giant swing b,d/b,d,d/f,f p+g is escaped by doing f+p+g. VF allows you to buffer 3 throw escapes IIRC two direction and the standard p+g escape.

Stupid question, but whats the OKI game?

good question, as i also have no idea........

AFTER PLAYING 10,000 GAMEs ONLINE ON XBOX LIVE THIS IS WHAT I HAVE CONCLUDED UNTIL U HAVE PLAYED 10,000 GAMES ON XBOX LIVE THEN KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT:
try to infinate me if u can can get me before i get u then u got some serious skill for real, and besides the infinates if u can be me with out cheezing then that make u even better quit acting like it takes no skill to play mkd its not guessing game after u play 10,000 games things become second nature so i can guarntee ill woop your ass if u practiced enough its just some people are better at other things than others, maybe u started crying because u didnt have enough stamine for mkd, just like if this were a massive gang fight with every one from this forum was in it the person with the natural ability to prevail would so stfu bitches. and m2dave when i come to ps2 for a little bit ull see what im talking about.