Why do you guys believe that MK and DC cannot crossover?
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Why do you guys believe that MK and DC cannot crossover?
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posted04/23/2008 07:40 PM (UTC)by

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What's up people,
I've been reading over an over about how Mortal Kombat and DC cannot possible crossover in terms of look, feel, story etc. That's not true. MK is definitely a comic book style story through and through. It has main protagonists, villians, side stories and cliff hangers just like a comic book. So many IP's have had crossovers recently such as Marvel vs DC, Spawn Batman, Batman vs Predator, Aliens vs Predator, the list goes on and on.
What these crossovers do is spur interest in the combination of two iconic franchises which benefits supporters from both sides. This DC crossover will definitely get the Media's attention and put MK back in the public's eye. If they manage to get the gameplay on par with some of the other fighting games out there, then this game will gain the respect of the hardcore fighting game fans as well as the casual fighting game crowd.
I hope most of you here know that MK is laughed at by the hardcore crowd. Many hardcore fighting game fans don't even know that there are new mortal kombat games after MK4, that is the honest truth. They have no idea that MKDA, MKD or MKA even exist. Ask one and you will see. What I'm trying to say here is that I'm excited to see how this game turnes out. I love comic book hereos and the like and seeing them take on my MK buddies (who's poweres have been amplified to match) makes the game even more appealing to me and many others.
To prove my point, my friend, who works at a local arcade (Family Funtime in Granada Hills, CA) has informed me that many of the hardcore fighting fans know of MKDC and are gaining interest in it. That is a good sign.
PS:
Why do some of you think that Capcom is giving the current fans what they want regarding Street Fighter IV? For your information, they definitely are not. Most fans wanted a strict, hand drawn 2D fighter that progressed the story of Street Fighter III. What they got was a return to the old Street Fighter 2 story line with mostly Street Fighter 2 Characters, in 3D. Do you want to know why? It's because Street Fighter III, a 2D game in 3D gaming times, was a commercial failure, yet it was a critical success to a select few. It took five years after its release to gain popularity.
The reason you ask?
Because Capcom threw out all of the known, popular characters in favor of some very SNK-like designs. It turned a lot of fans off and they left for orther titles. Capcom wants its old fanbase back so they decided to go back to SF2 for inspiration, thus neglecting it's SF3 fans. They also decided to make the game 3D to apeal to the casual crowd. They outweighed the pros and cons of this and the pros(more money) outweighed the cons by a longshot.
That's what Midway is doing with this game. They know that this crossover game is a potential cash cow and I think they are going to be right on the money (no pun intended).
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I've been reading over an over about how Mortal Kombat and DC cannot possible crossover in terms of look, feel, story etc. That's not true. MK is definitely a comic book style story through and through. It has main protagonists, villians, side stories and cliff hangers just like a comic book. So many IP's have had crossovers recently such as Marvel vs DC, Spawn Batman, Batman vs Predator, Aliens vs Predator, the list goes on and on.
What these crossovers do is spur interest in the combination of two iconic franchises which benefits supporters from both sides. This DC crossover will definitely get the Media's attention and put MK back in the public's eye. If they manage to get the gameplay on par with some of the other fighting games out there, then this game will gain the respect of the hardcore fighting game fans as well as the casual fighting game crowd.
I hope most of you here know that MK is laughed at by the hardcore crowd. Many hardcore fighting game fans don't even know that there are new mortal kombat games after MK4, that is the honest truth. They have no idea that MKDA, MKD or MKA even exist. Ask one and you will see. What I'm trying to say here is that I'm excited to see how this game turnes out. I love comic book hereos and the like and seeing them take on my MK buddies (who's poweres have been amplified to match) makes the game even more appealing to me and many others.
To prove my point, my friend, who works at a local arcade (Family Funtime in Granada Hills, CA) has informed me that many of the hardcore fighting fans know of MKDC and are gaining interest in it. That is a good sign.
PS:
Why do some of you think that Capcom is giving the current fans what they want regarding Street Fighter IV? For your information, they definitely are not. Most fans wanted a strict, hand drawn 2D fighter that progressed the story of Street Fighter III. What they got was a return to the old Street Fighter 2 story line with mostly Street Fighter 2 Characters, in 3D. Do you want to know why? It's because Street Fighter III, a 2D game in 3D gaming times, was a commercial failure, yet it was a critical success to a select few. It took five years after its release to gain popularity.
The reason you ask?
Because Capcom threw out all of the known, popular characters in favor of some very SNK-like designs. It turned a lot of fans off and they left for orther titles. Capcom wants its old fanbase back so they decided to go back to SF2 for inspiration, thus neglecting it's SF3 fans. They also decided to make the game 3D to apeal to the casual crowd. They outweighed the pros and cons of this and the pros(more money) outweighed the cons by a longshot.
That's what Midway is doing with this game. They know that this crossover game is a potential cash cow and I think they are going to be right on the money (no pun intended).
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Nice post Malone.
While I understand your optimism for MKDC, I don't think we can ignore why most fans (or some) are not welcoming this idea. We've been debating this over and over again all over the MKO. Killer Instinct is more identifiable with MK than DC Universe. Had Midway done their homework they would have definitely seen this reaction coming. This is going to remain the case until people actually see the end product. If it looks good, they'd win fans over but if it's half as bad as MKA, that could mean a fatal blow for MK.
But I wait patiently to see what happens.
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While I understand your optimism for MKDC, I don't think we can ignore why most fans (or some) are not welcoming this idea. We've been debating this over and over again all over the MKO. Killer Instinct is more identifiable with MK than DC Universe. Had Midway done their homework they would have definitely seen this reaction coming. This is going to remain the case until people actually see the end product. If it looks good, they'd win fans over but if it's half as bad as MKA, that could mean a fatal blow for MK.
But I wait patiently to see what happens.
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As usual, malone hits it right on the head. If you go to IGN or Gamespot, people are talking about MKvsDCU. If they hadn't done this crossover, no one would've given a shit. They would've said something like, "Oh god, not another shitty MK game. When will Midway realize that the MK franchise is an anchor on their success?" :P
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Bezou Wrote:
As usual, malone hits it right on the head. If you go to IGN or Gamespot, people are talking about MKvsDCU. If they hadn't done this crossover, no one would've given a shit. They would've said something like, "Oh god, not another shitty MK game. When will Midway realize that the MK franchise is an anchor on their success?" :P
As usual, malone hits it right on the head. If you go to IGN or Gamespot, people are talking about MKvsDCU. If they hadn't done this crossover, no one would've given a shit. They would've said something like, "Oh god, not another shitty MK game. When will Midway realize that the MK franchise is an anchor on their success?" :P
That's exactly why they need to make sure this not just another broken MK game. Alot is now riding on this so hopefully that would put some pressure on them to get it right.


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GTrax Wrote:
Nice post Malone.
Killer Instinct is more identifiable with MK than DC Universe. Had Midway done their homework they would have definitely seen this reaction coming.
Nice post Malone.
Killer Instinct is more identifiable with MK than DC Universe. Had Midway done their homework they would have definitely seen this reaction coming.
actuaclly, I think Midway knew that they would get this reaction. If you'll read through the topic that DArque Bishop has submitted, you'll see it in there. I'd also refer a cross over with KI. But this what we got and the further we get, the more I want to give it a shot.


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First off... Malone, you chill with people at FFA? That's arguably the best competition for fighters in the country. Good stuff.
Now, getting to the topic...
Here's something that I can't understand with all the people complaining about why DC and not some other universe. First of all, Boon's said that ever since MK3 (A 13-year old game keeping in mind) that they've wanted to do a crossover game. So during all that time, don't you all think that Boon and company have made an effort to colaborate with other companies? And if it hasn't happened yet, then that means they weren't able to agree on terms with anyone obviously.
But now, they found a universe they were able to colaborate with, and now here we are.
Now, I will agree with the argument of how the TIMING of this game is bad. I do agree with that. This was the chance for MK to just start over fresh, brand new, wipe the slate clean, etc., and yet this game is going to stay with some of the more popular MK characters against DC. From a character/storyline perspective, then yeah, not a lot has changed. But the gameplay has indeed completely changed with no fighting styles, weapon styles, dial-a-combo, etc.
This is a crossover game people. In a way, you can consider it a fantasy matchup. "But you can't do fatalities on Superman" or "DC superheroes have greater superpowers." Again, a fantasy matchup. Look at Marvel vs. Capcom 1 and 2. Marvel characters, from a pure power standpoint, are obviously superior to Capcom characters, but it doesn't prevent the game from being good, not to mention being a highly competitive played game in the country.
MvC1 and 2, at first, was in a similar situation where both factions of fans didn't think it made a whole lot of sense, yet when the games came out, they turned out to be quality games. Part 2 more so than part 1.
Again, I understand where many people are coming from in terms of what they thought would be a completely new MK. And from a character standpoint, it won't, but from a gameplay standpoint, it's still up in the air, and I would highly doubt that the storyline for this crossover game would be used in conjunction too the main MK storyline, continuing into MK9.
I would just hope that all of the complainers and whiners can at least wait until E3 when a playable version of the game will be displayed, and THEN we can make judgments on the game, as opposed to a 48 second trailer...
Now, getting to the topic...
Here's something that I can't understand with all the people complaining about why DC and not some other universe. First of all, Boon's said that ever since MK3 (A 13-year old game keeping in mind) that they've wanted to do a crossover game. So during all that time, don't you all think that Boon and company have made an effort to colaborate with other companies? And if it hasn't happened yet, then that means they weren't able to agree on terms with anyone obviously.
But now, they found a universe they were able to colaborate with, and now here we are.
Now, I will agree with the argument of how the TIMING of this game is bad. I do agree with that. This was the chance for MK to just start over fresh, brand new, wipe the slate clean, etc., and yet this game is going to stay with some of the more popular MK characters against DC. From a character/storyline perspective, then yeah, not a lot has changed. But the gameplay has indeed completely changed with no fighting styles, weapon styles, dial-a-combo, etc.
This is a crossover game people. In a way, you can consider it a fantasy matchup. "But you can't do fatalities on Superman" or "DC superheroes have greater superpowers." Again, a fantasy matchup. Look at Marvel vs. Capcom 1 and 2. Marvel characters, from a pure power standpoint, are obviously superior to Capcom characters, but it doesn't prevent the game from being good, not to mention being a highly competitive played game in the country.
MvC1 and 2, at first, was in a similar situation where both factions of fans didn't think it made a whole lot of sense, yet when the games came out, they turned out to be quality games. Part 2 more so than part 1.
Again, I understand where many people are coming from in terms of what they thought would be a completely new MK. And from a character standpoint, it won't, but from a gameplay standpoint, it's still up in the air, and I would highly doubt that the storyline for this crossover game would be used in conjunction too the main MK storyline, continuing into MK9.
I would just hope that all of the complainers and whiners can at least wait until E3 when a playable version of the game will be displayed, and THEN we can make judgments on the game, as opposed to a 48 second trailer...
I understand where you are coming from Malone, and to be honest, it is posts like yours and TheTruth's post about all the spandex wearing superheroes and then showing pics of MK fighters that have me saying "well, maybe it will work."
The overall initial diappointments for me were manyfold. When I think MK, atmosphere-wise, I think Outworld, creepy, mysterious locales, fantasy martial arts and the like.
When I think DC, I think sprawling cities, crime bosses, masked super heroes with few vulnerabilities, tales from space and so on.
Given those two thought patterns, one can imagine why I would look at this crossover and then kinda scratch my head. It just didn't seem to "fit". It is more of a feeling than a logical word for word explaination, which I think is why some fans are having a hard time describing it.
The best thing they could have done with this story is exactly what they HAVE done...merging the realms so you have a little bit of each universe thrown in (btw, I didn't notice many people, if any at ALL, mention that one of their favorite stages, the Graveyard, appears to be back in the trailer). The only big problem now I have with the story (besides the overall dc factor) is the fact that MK is no longer a tournament, but a random set of adventures, but I have had that problem for the past 3 games or so.
The overall initial diappointments for me were manyfold. When I think MK, atmosphere-wise, I think Outworld, creepy, mysterious locales, fantasy martial arts and the like.
When I think DC, I think sprawling cities, crime bosses, masked super heroes with few vulnerabilities, tales from space and so on.
Given those two thought patterns, one can imagine why I would look at this crossover and then kinda scratch my head. It just didn't seem to "fit". It is more of a feeling than a logical word for word explaination, which I think is why some fans are having a hard time describing it.
The best thing they could have done with this story is exactly what they HAVE done...merging the realms so you have a little bit of each universe thrown in (btw, I didn't notice many people, if any at ALL, mention that one of their favorite stages, the Graveyard, appears to be back in the trailer). The only big problem now I have with the story (besides the overall dc factor) is the fact that MK is no longer a tournament, but a random set of adventures, but I have had that problem for the past 3 games or so.
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Superheroes do NOT fit Mortal Kombat. Especially not DC.
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TheUberNinja Wrote:
Superheroes do NOT fit Mortal Kombat. Especially not DC.
Superheroes do NOT fit Mortal Kombat. Especially not DC.
That, UberNinja, is the simple fact of the matter!
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nastynate Wrote:
inb4lock
inb4lock
Nice try,
I beleive that people just cannot think that Mortal Kombat be a crossover game due to the fact that it's mostly (and I say MOSTLY for a reason) the only game that features fatalities and lots of gore.
But because all of that is basically gone in this game, people are already giving the game grief because one little thing is taken away. Big deal, every fighting game has had a crossover once in their series, now it's Mortal Kombat's turn.
Yeah, it might be toned down a bit, but they're still making it as dark as it should be even for a T rating.
People just judge to quickly and whine about the dumbest things that's all.
I don't have a problem with this, I did way back before the news came out, but now I'm like, "I feel like an idiot in not believing the rumor is true, now I want to see what this game is like."
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TheUberNinja Wrote:
Superheroes do NOT fit Mortal Kombat. Especially not DC.
Superheroes do NOT fit Mortal Kombat. Especially not DC.
Good point.
The way MK has it, every character has a hinch of good and evil in him/her. That's what makes the game differ. There is no "hot and cold" like the comics. In MK, there are several groups doing different things for their own personal reasons.
Still, MK has its comic book similarities.


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TheUberNinja Wrote:
Superheroes do NOT fit Mortal Kombat. Especially not DC.
Superheroes do NOT fit Mortal Kombat. Especially not DC.
*Sigh*
You can't at least think of this as a fantasy type of crossover?
Does Marvel fit with Capcom? Arguable. Has it worked? Oh yes it has, and in a big way, and it has nothing to do with whether or not they "fit" with each other or not.
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mastermalone Wrote:
What's up people,
I've been reading over an over about how Mortal Kombat and DC cannot possible crossover in terms of look, feel, story etc. That's not true. MK is definitely a comic book style story through and through. It has main protagonists, villians, side stories and cliff hangers just like a comic book. So many IP's have had crossovers recently such as Marvel vs DC, Spawn Batman, Batman vs Predator, Aliens vs Predator, the list goes on and on.
What these crossovers do is spur interest in the combination of two iconic franchises which benefits supporters from both sides. This DC crossover will definitely get the Media's attention and put MK back in the public's eye. If they manage to get the gameplay on par with some of the other fighting games out there, then this game will gain the respect of the hardcore fighting game fans as well as the casual fighting game crowd.
I hope most of you here know that MK is laughed at by the hardcore crowd. Many hardcore fighting game fans don't even know that there are new mortal kombat games after MK4, that is the honest truth. They have no idea that MKDA, MKD or MKA even exist. Ask one and you will see. What I'm trying to say here is that I'm excited to see how this game turnes out. I love comic book hereos and the like and seeing them take on my MK buddies (who's poweres have been amplified to match) makes the game even more appealing to me and many others.
To prove my point, my friend, who works at a local arcade (Family Funtime in Granada Hills, CA) has informed me that many of the hardcore fighting fans know of MKDC and are gaining interest in it. That is a good sign.
PS:
Why do some of you think that Capcom is giving the current fans what they want regarding Street Fighter IV? For your information, they definitely are not. Most fans wanted a strict, hand drawn 2D fighter that progressed the story of Street Fighter III. What they got was a return to the old Street Fighter 2 story line with mostly Street Fighter 2 Characters, in 3D. Do you want to know why? It's because Street Fighter III, a 2D game in 3D gaming times, was a commercial failure, yet it was a critical success to a select few. It took five years after its release to gain popularity.
The reason you ask?
Because Capcom threw out all of the known, popular characters in favor of some very SNK-like designs. It turned a lot of fans off and they left for orther titles. Capcom wants its old fanbase back so they decided to go back to SF2 for inspiration, thus neglecting it's SF3 fans. They also decided to make the game 3D to apeal to the casual crowd. They outweighed the pros and cons of this and the pros(more money) outweighed the cons by a longshot.
That's what Midway is doing with this game. They know that this crossover game is a potential cash cow and I think they are going to be right on the money (no pun intended).
Peace
What's up people,
I've been reading over an over about how Mortal Kombat and DC cannot possible crossover in terms of look, feel, story etc. That's not true. MK is definitely a comic book style story through and through. It has main protagonists, villians, side stories and cliff hangers just like a comic book. So many IP's have had crossovers recently such as Marvel vs DC, Spawn Batman, Batman vs Predator, Aliens vs Predator, the list goes on and on.
What these crossovers do is spur interest in the combination of two iconic franchises which benefits supporters from both sides. This DC crossover will definitely get the Media's attention and put MK back in the public's eye. If they manage to get the gameplay on par with some of the other fighting games out there, then this game will gain the respect of the hardcore fighting game fans as well as the casual fighting game crowd.
I hope most of you here know that MK is laughed at by the hardcore crowd. Many hardcore fighting game fans don't even know that there are new mortal kombat games after MK4, that is the honest truth. They have no idea that MKDA, MKD or MKA even exist. Ask one and you will see. What I'm trying to say here is that I'm excited to see how this game turnes out. I love comic book hereos and the like and seeing them take on my MK buddies (who's poweres have been amplified to match) makes the game even more appealing to me and many others.
To prove my point, my friend, who works at a local arcade (Family Funtime in Granada Hills, CA) has informed me that many of the hardcore fighting fans know of MKDC and are gaining interest in it. That is a good sign.
PS:
Why do some of you think that Capcom is giving the current fans what they want regarding Street Fighter IV? For your information, they definitely are not. Most fans wanted a strict, hand drawn 2D fighter that progressed the story of Street Fighter III. What they got was a return to the old Street Fighter 2 story line with mostly Street Fighter 2 Characters, in 3D. Do you want to know why? It's because Street Fighter III, a 2D game in 3D gaming times, was a commercial failure, yet it was a critical success to a select few. It took five years after its release to gain popularity.
The reason you ask?
Because Capcom threw out all of the known, popular characters in favor of some very SNK-like designs. It turned a lot of fans off and they left for orther titles. Capcom wants its old fanbase back so they decided to go back to SF2 for inspiration, thus neglecting it's SF3 fans. They also decided to make the game 3D to apeal to the casual crowd. They outweighed the pros and cons of this and the pros(more money) outweighed the cons by a longshot.
That's what Midway is doing with this game. They know that this crossover game is a potential cash cow and I think they are going to be right on the money (no pun intended).
Peace
Totally agree dude, lol that's what I've been preaching the past week on here..there's been more sillier crossovers or "unexpected" that have easily survived and didn't "kill their franchises"
I mean hell, the next SC4 will have Vader and yoda for gods sake lol. Vader and Yoda....yet people have a stink with Batman vs. Subby lol
Sometimes a franchise needs change and just about everyone agreed from fans to Midway that MK needed "change" and we got change" just because it's not "MK exclusive or MK vs. Marvel or MK vs Yugio" like some fans would have wanted lol, we got something just as good if not better(better in my book honestly)
There's many dark characters that exist in the DC universe that I think would fit in nicely in the MK universe as well, some fans just need to chill out a little bit and give it a chance...
I also believe that this will not only be a huge financial success, cashcow for Midway/DC but also shows something new that neither franchise has ever done before and let's face it DC's brand of games aren't that great overall except for a few such as JL Heroes and perhaps a few others....
But yeah malone I liked it how you broke each franchise down a bit, very well said. I feel on games like Tekken and SC that might have that hardcore crowd, despite their success the gameplay IMO is all that they have going for it and I think Namco is afraid of "change" or taking any risk, but noticed as you've even mentioned Capcom has with SF, Midway has with MK taking the chance of going from 2D to 3D and failing...at first anyway, I believe MK has improved and SF is taking an interesting path with SF4 keeping the "look 3D" yet play 2D.....to me Namco's fighters haven't changed "dramatically" thru out the years compared to the other fighters. I mean even SSBB's gameplay, characters and overall game altered a bit from the original and Melee.
I guess since SF's EX didn't do so well, they figured let's stick to our roots with 2D instead of trying to improve in the 3D and just keep the SF2 storyline with some newer characters. I'd like to see another 3D SF though someday.
I bet a lot more fans on here wouldn't be as harsh, judgemental,critical and negative if this was MK vs. SF....a point in which TRMK mentioned after his first hands on look which is a good point, it just shows how many people aren't aware of DC's success over the years or that they have had tons of dark stories.
In closing, I'm looking forward to this game and feel it's going to surprise a lot of people in a good way.
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