blackwizard Wrote: I know this doesnt belong here technically, but it needs to be said. Most of you know nothing of the classic sub-zero. For one, the man is not pure evil. Yes, hes had a reckless past, but only because hes had to fulfill missions for the lin-kuei. If you by some chance were raised in a clan, I dont think you'd mind doing things for them, including killing, stealing, and the such. If you guys would of also played Mortal Kombat Mythologies: sub zero and finished it, you'd realize that Sub-zero does save the world not because he has to, but because he realized the errors of his ways. So from now on, stop with the "old sub-zero is pure EVIL!!" statements.

no, sub-zero saved the world cause raiden made him...btw didnt raiden and shinnok both say "your soul is tainted with evil"??? of course that doesnt mean hes pure evil..he still had the chance to change his ways.

and he only did a few missions for the lin kuei anyway before getting killed be scorpion..one of his first missions was stealing the sacred map of elements...he was killed not too long after that.

but to answer your question.."Why does everyone think that the classic sub-zero is evil?"

the same reason why some people think there are six sub-zeros..i think they were bumped on the head or something.

If you know the Sub-Zero's past you would find out that the original Sub-zero who was killed in MKI was a fifth generation Lin Kuei warrior. His father, the one who smuggled the twins to China to be apart of the Lin Kuei, had the name Sub-Zero due to specualtion that he had the same power over the element of cold. Thus passing his title of Sub-Zero to the original Sub-Zero (the one killed in MKI) making him Sub-Zero the 5th and his younger brother, Grandmaster Sub-Zero, Sub-Zero the 6th.

Old Sub-Zero evil? Well, to tell the truth....he's human.

The thing is, he had a job to do. He was an assassin for the Lin Kuei and that's all he's known his whole life since his dad kidnapped him and his younger brother from their mom and sister. He, like other members of his clan, hated the Shirai Ryu and maybe that added to why he killed Scorpion, other than the obvious fact that if he didn't kill him, he would be dead and Scorpion would have the Map of elements. Basically, he is what he is because that's all he's known. It all boils down to the fact that he's got a job to do and he loves it, or so it seems.

However, despite all of that, he obviously has some sort of affection for his little brother, or else he would never have given to him the secrets of killing Quan-Chi and Shinnok like it says in Sub-Zero's bio in MK4.

So, I don't think he's evil. I just think that he has a cold heart with a soft spot.

I always saw The older Sub-Zero as being sort of the type of guy who thinks everything going on "isn't my problem. I'm just doing a job." He's not evil like Kano, but he's certainly not good like Liu Kang. He's basically just a selfish human being.

His younger brother however, is a full fledged hero, who continually sheds his dark side with each passing game since MK2.

I dont call it being selfish, I call it having good work ethic

Doombringer Wrote: If you know the Sub-Zero's past you would find out that the original Sub-zero who was killed in MKI was a fifth generation Lin Kuei warrior. His father, the one who smuggled the twins to China to be apart of the Lin Kuei, had the name Sub-Zero due to specualtion that he had the same power over the element of cold. Thus passing his title of Sub-Zero to the original Sub-Zero (the one killed in MKI) making him Sub-Zero the 5th and his younger brother, Grandmaster Sub-Zero, Sub-Zero the 6th.

LMAO!! where the fuck did you read this? in NO mk game does it say anything about twins or any of that shit.

the EXACT story says (exactly):

Somewhere in the northern most parts of Asia, there exists a secret clan of assassins and thieves known as the lin kuei. This group has existed for centuries and arrives when the evil intentions of the people who pay for their services its warriors are chosen at birth to be raised apart from the workings of day-to-day civilization in our stripped of their former lives. Only the clan knows their existence. Each of them possess certain skills and abilities that set them apart from normal men. These abilities are passed on from generation to generation and honed throughout the experience of life.

Sub-Zero learned of his ability as a young adult. It was passed on to him by his father, a fourth generation lin kuei warrior himself. Among his first missions for the lin kuei, is one that leads him to the shaolin temples to steal the sacred map of elements.


i think you were misinformed. there are only 2 sub-zeros. play mkm.

if the current sub-zero's bios and stories state that hes the younger brother of the ORGINAL SUB-ZERO, that means that the one before him was the ORGINAL...do you know what orginal means? he was the first sub-zero..making the current sub, the second.

just because the orginals father was a 4th generation lin kuei warrior doesnt mean they had the same freakin name. the name wasnt passed on, the ability was.

2 sub-zeros..get over it.

dumbass you are the stupid one, where does he say the name been passed on, or that original is the younger one. he said that old sub was 5th generation, and new one is 6th generation.

that means the red grandmaster in MK:M is the 4th generation, old sub 5th. new sub 6th.

wat he meant was there was 5 grandmasters before this current sub became grandmaster.

generation dummy, i dont think u know wat that means.

he made sense except for the twins part, cause if they were twins i dont think they would say younger sub zero LOL.

IOWNYOU Wrote: dumbass you are the stupid one, where does he say the name been passed on, or that original is the younger one. he said that old sub was 5th generation, and new one is 6th generation. that means the red grandmaster in MK:M is the 4th generation, old sub 5th. new sub 6th. wat he meant was there was 5 grandmasters before this current sub became grandmaster. generation dummy, i dont think u know wat that means. he made sense except for the twins part, cause if they were twins i dont think they would say younger sub zero LOL.

Finally someone who understands, and by twins I mean them both being brothers. By the way, you can be twins with your sibiling and be older. It never states how old either Zero is. As long as you were in the same womb. But for my purposes being that the younger sub-zero, the grandmaster, is of the next generation from his older brother, they have to be sensibly far apart in age. I put twins in their to show they are related, as in brothers...

IOWNYOU Wrote: dumbass you are the stupid one, where does he say the name been passed on, or that original is the younger one. he said that old sub was 5th generation, and new one is 6th generation. that means the red grandmaster in MK:M is the 4th generation, old sub 5th. new sub 6th. wat he meant was there was 5 grandmasters before this current sub became grandmaster. generation dummy, i dont think u know wat that means. he made sense except for the twins part, cause if they were twins i dont think they would say younger sub zero LOL.

learn how to fucking read before you start calling people stupid.

1. i never said that he said the name was passed on. (allthough he did say that.."Thus passing his title of Sub-Zero to the original Sub-Zero (the one killed in MKI) making him Sub-Zero the 5th and his younger brother, Grandmaster Sub-Zero, Sub-Zero the 6th.")


2. i never said the he said the orginal was the younger sub-zero..that would be rather dumb.

i know what generation means, fucktard, hes trying to say theres 6 sub-zeros, and there isnt. which is why i said: "just because the orginals father was a 4th generation lin kuei warrior doesnt mean they had the same freakin name".

if not, i misread it and he should have been more clear..especially after replying to someone saying there arent 6...cause if generation is what hes talking about, then it had no buisness even being mentioned...cause we werent even talking about that.

Scorpio, I respected you cause I thought you were a decent board member, but i guess my assumptions are wrong, your just a plain ol' prick. Nothin more nothin less. Understand the word generation, and grasp what Im trying to say. Its even in your damn EXACT story-

"These abilities are passed on from generation to generation and honed throughout the experience of life. Sub-Zero learned of his ability as a young adult. It was passed on to him by his father, a fourth generation lin kuei warrior himself."

If these abilities are passed down from generation to generation, then where did the original (and by original, i mean game wise, not story wise. If you dont know theres two sub-zeros to play as and you call yourself a mortal kombat fan, you dont know shit about fuck. Being like you said the only other Sub-Zero from the Grandmaster that you can play as is the one in MK1- the original, to us... that is what I meant by "original".) learn his abilities? His father, a 4th generation warrior (as its stated) who obviously had to have the same abilities and more than likely the same name (which fuckin makes sense) to pass all this down to his oldest son, the next generation... Sub-Zero the 5th (generation) the "original".

Is it clearer now...? Let me know if you cant quite grasp it yet...

I agree with doom. In mkm it did say the powers are passed from generatin to generation. And although whoever said that there is only 2 sub zeros because it never states that the 4th is named sub, it also never states that it wasn't. Either way if the abilities are inherit in the family line then the name also remains the same. 5th inherited his powers and name from 4th and was killed in mk1. 6th is the younger one who inherited the name as well. You also can't call them twins, since they are both different ages and twins refers to kids being born at the same time.

5th sub zero is not pure evil. He just did evil deeds because he was brought up in the lin kuei and thats really all he knew. And i think raiden told him to go retrieve the amulet, he didn't force him. Raiden really just commanded to do it, but sub still had a choice wether or not to do it.

As for the guy in red in MKM, he is a grandmaster but it never states that he is related to any of the sub zeros. So you can't put a generation on him.

Doombringer Wrote: Scorpio, I respected you cause I thought you were a decent board member, but i guess my assumptions are wrong, your just a plain ol' prick. Nothin more nothin less. Understand the word generation, and grasp what Im trying to say. Its even in your damn EXACT story- "These abilities are passed on from generation to generation and honed throughout the experience of life. Sub-Zero learned of his ability as a young adult. It was passed on to him by his father, a fourth generation lin kuei warrior himself." If these abilities are passed down from generation to generation, then where did the original (and by original, i mean game wise, not story wise. If you dont know theres two sub-zeros to play as and you call yourself a mortal kombat fan, you dont know shit about fuck. Being like you said the only other Sub-Zero from the Grandmaster that you can play as is the one in MK1- the original, to us... that is what I meant by "original".) learn his abilities? His father, a 4th generation warrior (as its stated) who obviously had to have the same abilities and more than likely the same name (which fuckin makes sense) to pass all this down to his oldest son, the next generation... Sub-Zero the 5th (generation) the "original". Is it clearer now...? Let me know if you cant quite grasp it yet...

i could care less about someone over the internet "respecting" me.

if i said "the same reason why people think there are six sub-zeros.."...then why did you reply with all this "generation" shit? it had nothing to do with there being 6 sub-zeros.

"If you know the Sub-Zero's past you would find out that the original Sub-zero who was killed in MKI was a fifth generation Lin Kuei warrior. His father, the one who smuggled the twins to China to be apart of the Lin Kuei, had the name Sub-Zero due to specualtion that he had the same power over the element of cold. Thus passing his title of Sub-Zero to the original Sub-Zero (the one killed in MKI) making him Sub-Zero the 5th and his younger brother, Grandmaster Sub-Zero, Sub-Zero the 6th."


that sounds like your trying to prove me wrong on the 6 subzeros. no one mentioned anything about 5th or 6th generation...its obviouse they are..the convo was about 6 sub-zeros...then people say "sub the 5th and sub the 6th"...what are people gonna assume you mean? that there are 6 of them...when is what some mkfans think.

fifth and sixth generation has nothing to do with anything that was said.

most mk fans are confused because of what a mkfansite (mkr) said...which isnt true.

and what makes you think that they all had the same name? the abilities dont mean shit....if that was the case then frost would be called sub-zero..smoke would be called scorpion..(thats an example)what did they do when the grand master said "hey sub-zero"..did they all stand up?..my point exactly.

I was merely emphasizing the what you said on there being 6 sub-zero's. Some people might not of known what was meant by that so I explained. You were the one blowing this shit way out of fucking proportion. I dont give a fuck if its the subject at hand or not, it was said, so I stated it further the way I did. I never said anything about respecting your bitch ass, i thought you were a decent board member, thats all... Damn, you really need to read more carefully..

Smoke and Scorpion (example or not, thats a rather dumb fucking example) are in no way related (as Scorpion was never in the Lin Kuei), neither is Frost and Sub-Zero (as far as we know). So why would they have the same name? This isnt the same Lin Kuei as before, and the frost/sub-zero thing is a totally different circumstances, same powers or not, so whats your point? I never said i knew for certain that they all had the same name, its just makes alot of fucking sense and is pretty logical if they all were passed down their abilities generation to generation (and the same bloodline of brothers had the same title of subzero)... if you think about it.. try it some time.

................this has been discussed for centuries...............is this a charity for the misunderstood subzero's reunion?.....

He may be a killer but he is not evil. Just a ninja and that is all.

dont stop, kill each other!!! Make the MK gods happy! lol.

I don't think he's evil. He did "evil" things, but he corrected a lot of them. He was loyal to his clan.

And there were/are six Subbies.

Doombringer Wrote: Smoke and Scorpion (example or not, thats a rather dumb fucking example) are in no way related (as Scorpion was never in the Lin Kuei), neither is Frost and Sub-Zero (as far as we know). So why would they have the same name? This isnt the same Lin Kuei as before, and the frost/sub-zero thing is a totally different circumstances, same powers or not, so whats your point? I never said i knew for certain that they all had the same name, its just makes alot of fucking sense and is pretty logical if they all were passed down their abilities generation to generation (and the same bloodline of brothers had the same title of subzero)... if you think about it.. try it some time.

Okay, to bring this up further, I have reason to believe that Frost is the sister of both Sub-Zero's. And before ANYONE starts the flame game with me, I'm not saying that she definitely is their sister, and I'm not saying she's definitely not. I'm just saying that I have reason to believe so. How can I back this up? Well, the now-defunct official MK Mythologies website (it might be under archive.org; I'm pretty sure ]0MBAT knows the exact URL, though, so you may want to ask him) states that Sub-Zero's father went to America and married a woman there to cover himself. They had two sons and one daughter together, and while the mother wanted a normal upbringing for the three children, the father turned the two sons over to the custody of the Lin Kuei, while the mother and daughter were "never seen or heard from again." It's already known that Sub-Zero's ability to freeze was inherited through five generations of his bloodline, so it's possible that Frost could be the long-lost sister of the two Sub-Zeros.