Don't be.


I haven't lost reasonbale expectation. By faith I mean accepting something as fact without the necessary evidence to support it. That does not mean I do not value human achievement, beauty et cetera. I may be burnt out, but that does not make me bitter.

As for my innocence, it has already been lost to other things, which is a necessary step in life. And actually no, that is not what the christian god would want if I go by calvinism. God does not want everyone saved - hence predetermination. Though calvinism is the predominant denomination here.

Temp, the problem is that while yes, there are unknown things, most monotheistic religions deposit a deity as the primordial cause of the universe. Why? Why is a god necessary to jumpstart existence?

That would be why i dont reside with any sort of denomination. Im pretty sure what god wants and what people in power want you to believe god wants are two vastly different things.

Cause and effect aren't simultaneous. If it's simultaneous they would both be causes or effects. Show me an instance of simultaneity.

I accept the definition of PSR as everything must have a reason or a cause for your argument. You haven't done anything but posit that God can violate that rule. Where in PSR does it say "Everything must have a reason or a cause except for God."?

The Universe is a quantum computer simulation.
God is the programmer outside the computer.
Satan, and the other Angels/Demons/Humans are programs/corrupted programs inside the computer.
When this cycle is over, God will do a cosmic virus scan, and eliminate all Evil/Bad/Negative things.

Jehovah's power is absolute.


Satan tricks you, the "magic" of technology makes you think you are all powerful, like God, by commanding things with your voice.
Lights on!=/= Let there be Light!
You are the King, You are the center of the universe...
Selfish self-centered, self-serving entitlement as God's greatest creations.
What do I need God for? What has he done for me lately? He's obviouly abandoned us as bad things keep happening...
It's all a trick to harden your heart to faith, mercy, and love.


Video Games seem to have replaced Valhalla.
If we were Gods, then why do we need talismans, weapons, and other objects to augment our powers?
If we were Gods, then how can we still die? How many Gods were slain in the past, how many die in Ragnorok & other End of the World legends?
The Romans killed Jesus, God's son, our King! What chance do any of us have?
Satan loses, and he wants to drag as many of you with him as possible, as he was jealous of Adam, he hates all mankind.

The various ancient Greek/Indian/Babylonian/Aztek/Mayan/Etc myths are tales of the Nephilim before the flood wiped out all the freaks & monsters. Royal bloodlines remained in halfbreed Humans who became the heathen Kings/Priestly cults around the world who worship.
They're explicit details of their heathenry were left out of the Bible. Recording their filth would tempt the faithful to emulate their sin.

Ancient Aliens is half right, but still full of BS.

Your ancient Gods fall under Jehovah's law, for they are his flawed creations.
There is no power struggle. Jehovah's power is absolute.

Satan is actually a servant of YHWH and can only do what YHWH commands him. The concept of Satan as a "fallen angel" is a much later development.

I think Tetra Vega has became my favorite poster on this site. Post more.

I think we all know that no one really genuinely believes that God exists, but if you can get yourself into a state of mind that makes you happy, go for it.

I truly and genuinely believe that God, does in fact, exist.

The modern view that slaves didn't build the pyramids is false. Just because they were getting paid/had some medical benefiets doesn't mean they were treated well or respected. Israelites were forced to build monuments to false gods, and heathen Kings, unable to leave of their own accord to worship Jehovah as commanded.

The whole point of the union movement was so workers would stop being treated like slaves/disposable property.
Workers are tools, Employer/Employee still means to be used.

What methods do you use? What methods do you employ?
"You couldn't pay me enough to do that!"



Ka-Tra

Yes, but belief in something does not warrant its existence.

There is nothing I can say, to you or anyone, that, would make you believe that there is a God. My job, as a believer in Christ. Is to preach his words and witness to those that do not know him. Not force anyone to believe.

I know there is a God and he is real and has to do with every moment of my life. He does exists, even if you cant or are unable to see it. I am not saying, you have to believe me, cause you don't. But, I just know, he is real and I have had things happen to me and around me, that makes me know. Besides what I have been taught in Church and what I have read in the Bible.


When you have the Holy spirit in you. You just know.


Colossians 1:16 - For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Acts 7:59And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

Romans 15:6 - That ye may with one mind [and] one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I am posting these verses, so someone who may come across this thread, can read his word. And if I get banned for this. At least I got banned for doing something in Gods name.

....why would you be banned for that?

Believe what you want, but don't force it on anyone.

Though I can't help myself, but being reminded about recent discussion with one person on another forum. He was firm believer in the religion, but when I gave him facts, about Earth and species, he shouted that Earth was 6000 years old and nothing could change his mind.
I understand that people can believe whatever they want, but rejectiing objective reality...? On the other hand isn't what religious people were doing for all this time?

No. The problem lies inherently in the notion that letting others believe what they want could work on a "live and let live" basis.

The fact that there are people who conciously choose to believe insane lies like that is proof that this kind of lack of critical thinking should not be allowed. It is detrimental.

People fear the fact that we cannot be sure of anything really. Newsflash, you will have to learn to deal with it, and not accept pronunciations of absoluteness without evidence.

And herein lies the problem with religion, there is ZERO evidence for any kind of deity particularly described by the Bible. And even hen, WHY your particular religion?



Anby politician who would make Young Earth statements here in Slovakia for example (catholic majority) would be held as INSANE by the religious populace. And why is this bothering me? Because the lead world power adheres to the whims of a religious cabal who have a null basis for their decisionmaking. A prime example for such idiocracy:

-We don't need to other about global warming, I believe Jesus will return in our generation and set everything right. And more than 50% of the USA believes in the Rapture and Godman coming down and slving our problems (which btw, is not a statement that is in the Bible. The rapture, and well, the whole Book of Revelation is an add-on, the latter barely having been canonized).



Personal experiences do not matter to me. The human mind is easy to fool. We are easy fooled by our wishful thinking.

Shh!! Don't feed the Troll! Dude's crazy


The Ark of the Covenant, in the Tabernacle tent is commonly believed to be an electrical device, like a capaciter or arc light.
They used it to cook a feast of meat on the top, like an electric griddle.
Flames/combustion produce impure smake/soots, which is part of why the government keeps weed illegal, while deadlly tobacco remains unchecked.

Touching the Ark or even being near it was an electrocution hazard. It was carried by wodden poles to ground the charge.
When in the Holy of Holies, the electro static field it produced would make impurities on clothing spark, and catch fire. Alcohol in the blood would combust. I don't know about long hair, itself, but frizzy hair/split ends would probably burn.

Just like certain HIGH VOLTAGE areas in power stations or outdoor sub-stations. Nearing equipment can cause electric arcs. Even static when working on a computer/electronics, you need to buy those static dissipating cuffs so you don't short out the computer or get electrocuted. Static is probably behind the commanment about not mixing wool/linens.

Blood is Sacred. The Iron is allegedly protected from Magnetic manipulation by the Hemoglobin. I'd rather not turn into a morphing mace ball...

It's important to distinguish the Ark's powers by itself, and when Jehovah was concentrated at that one point.

"But Tetra, if God is Gravity, why weren't they crushed?"

God isn't "massive". In the Universe you only see the effects of Gravity, not Jehovah himself. He brings things together, and seperates others. I'm thankful I don't occupy the same Space-Time as the Sun/Black Hole/Cosmic blizzard of rock, ice, metal, plasma & crystals.



Ka-Tra

There is som many things scientifically wrong with that description...

And I am pretty sure, crackpot modern pop culture descriptions and guesses on the nature of the Arc of the Covenant are not predominant. You forget that Christianity is largely comprised of many, many different generations from entirely different cultures.

Haha well that was an aggressive turn. Unfortunately there are far too many people that refuse to take responsibility for their actions. They "leave it in god's hands" and throw caution to the wind. But the reality is, it's not just religious people that do that. The average person doesn't give two shits about global warming or most of the worlds problems, "enlightened" or otherwise. Its easier to think its just the "bible thumpers" because there is a shit ton of them and they yell really loud.

I'm a little surprised by your thoughts on the whole "live and let live" thing. What's the solution? Chastise them? Belittle them? Cram your way of thinking down their throats whether they like it or not? That doesn't make you much better than those that you're frustrated with. Of course I'm not saying that's what you're doing, but it doesn't sound that far off either. Tolerance is a big part of life, no matter what you believe...and I realize, better than most, that that is a bitter pill to swallow.

Good can't exist without evil. The only way evil can truly disappear is if every sentient being in the universe is erased from existence. There isn't a heaven or a hell. God comprises everything, including good and evil, so he is both at the same time, you can't separate them.

Is there a person in the world who you would describe as "Good" or "Evil" that wouldn't more accurately be defined as a combination of generous, kind, cruel, ill, misled, ignorant, desperate, etc.?

Not everyone and everything can fit into a Good or Evil box. IN fact, nothing can if you want to even attempt to attain true understanding of human nature, or just plain nature.

It's quite an archaic, black and white way to look at a Technicolored world. Simplifying things down to good and evil is a tad bit of an --well -- oversimplification.

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I don't believe that losing one's faith is a bad thing. For some individuals, religion works, for others it does not.

Well, the solution in your case would the the total secularization of educational material,
-reforming the school system so that it does not reward non-academic pursuits,
-a lot more higher standards on base education and common knowledge,
-Bible study. And I am not talking about get together praise the lord (and pass the ammunition) style praying hours. I mean literal study of the texts.



It is quite sad when a college graduate only bears enough knowledge that wouldn't be enough to pass your secondary school exams (which are needed to get decent qualified work here).

Another problem I see, and which is not intrinsic to religion itself is the everyone is a winner mentality, and we don't keep scores. Congratulations, you raised a GENERATION of self-entitled little sh**s who canno take criticism because they haven't been exposed to actually dealing with their emotions. I just wanted to mention that, I think it might play into the whole thing, just not entirely sure how exactly...



It just baffles me when I compare religious people here and over there. Not to turn this into an anti-murica notion, but how the hell are there people like Dredf Phelps, Jack Chick etc. who are stuck in the 900's?

Oh, mind you I still don't approve of the grand scheme of the catholic church and any church that requires regular donations from its people.

But really, I would want to keep this around the morality thing.

Haha I see what you're doing there with the bible study. If gen-selfie has to sit down and actually read stuff...well we both know how that'll end.

Everything else I agree with. There's no such thing as parenting anymore, at least not the traditional definition. "Give em what they want so I can have five more minutes of peace", is the mantra these days. Can't wait until these assholes actually begin to take roles of leadership in this country...ugh.

And the idea of collections in a church (even as a child) has always disgusted me.

Well, never did I say that everything revolves around good or evil, just that neither can exist without the other. A rock for example is neither good nor evil. Humans on the other side are good AND evil, no one is good or evil, but both, that's just part of every sentient being's nature, simple balance.

"Christianity" was invented by the Romans, decades after they killed Jesus, to gain votes/more control over the populace.

They put a Jewish facade on their heathen Sun god cults. The various factions that splintered off rewrote their own versions of the Bible, cutting & pasting in translated texts that legitimized their power over the common folk.

God isn't about glory, grandure, icons, artwork, statues & crazy rituals. God isn't about gaudy churches & ornate stained glass cathedrals. God isn't some old man in the clouds. Jesus din't die on a cross, it was a single upright steak, with his hands nailed above his head.

The crucifix is a false idol. They hold up Jesus like a banner, a tool, and wield him like a weapon to enforce their rule. Rome was built on myth & lies, they stole from everyone to gain the various facets of their "civilization".



Ka-Tra

Cross or stake. Fact remains. He died on it, to pay the price for everyone's sin's. Mine, your's and the entire worlds. Also, he didn't stay dead, he rose again and went to prepare a place for us. And, will come back again, in the same method that he left.