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posted05/28/2004 09:05 PM (UTC)by
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Raining_Smoke
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02/23/2003 04:18 PM (UTC)
Ive been told by someone on another MK site that American isnt a nationality because everyone in America has come from somewhere esle (migrated ancestors). I noticed that some people have other country flags but are from the USA, so is it correct to put the country flag where your ancestors came from? This has always got me thinking.
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ShingoEX
05/27/2004 02:45 AM (UTC)
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Native Americans are actual natives of the USA. As for flags, I guess there's no "rule" on it. I jsut put the flag of the country I was born, and currently live, in.
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05/27/2004 04:17 AM (UTC)
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I figure it refers to where you were born, unless, say, you were born while your parents were on vacation in another country. It really doesn't make sense to claim your nationality to be the country where your ancestors came from; I'm half Polish, a quarter English, and a quarter Austrian. I identify myself as more Polish than anything else, not so much because it's a full half of me, but because I've seen that heritage in my dad's side of the family (my dad was born in Poland, but moved to the US at age 4; he doesn't have an accent but his two older brothers do); however, I don't consider myself "Polish" because the culture is not a part of my everyday life, and, except for two phrases, I don't know any Polish (I can't even guess how to spell the two phrases, but one means "hello," and the other means "go up my ass and sing" or something to that effect).
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Hyuga
05/27/2004 04:19 AM (UTC)
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I'm from Jamaica. jah love... lordavmercy... bloodclot... babylon bwoy
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DMitch
05/27/2004 04:20 AM (UTC)
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Actaully native Americans first came from Asia through Alaska. And if you really wanna take it back, then we're all from Africa. I put the flag of the country where I currently live, although I'm not an American.
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05/27/2004 04:49 AM (UTC)
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DMitch Wrote:
Actaully native Americans first came from Asia through Alaska.

Yes, but you can't claim "Asia" as a nationality. You don't know where in Asia specifically the native Americans came from; I'm pretty sure there were no established coutries in Asia, or anywhere, back then.
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05/27/2004 04:53 AM (UTC)
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Dude i dont wanna be rude but if the citizens of the U.S. claimed American as a nationality they could do it, i don't wanna be rude or start a flame war but i think american is the person that lives in the continent called America so a Brazilian is an American too. Well just to clear up things and sorry if i was rude.
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05/27/2004 04:57 AM (UTC)
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Raining_Smoke Wrote:
Ive been told by someone on another MK site that American isnt a nationality because everyone in America has come from somewhere esle (migrated ancestors). I noticed that some people have other country flags but are from the USA, so is it correct to put the country flag where your ancestors came from? This has always got me thinking.


I was born and raised in England for 11 years. I moved in 97, and have lived here for 7 years. Originaly when i joined the site I had a Union Jack for my flag - but I didn't want people to be confused of where I'm located, so I changed it to the Canadian one. About the ancestory, I'd put the flag of where u live, to cause less confusion.
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Raining_Smoke
05/27/2004 05:05 AM (UTC)
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Mk_FrEaK Wrote:
Dude i dont wanna be rude but if the citizens of the U.S. claimed American as a nationality they could do it, i don't wanna be rude or start a flame war but i think american is the person that lives in the continent called America so a Brazilian is an American too. Well just to clear up things and sorry if i was rude.


You're right, I read this on a website before. Every country of North and South America is an American country. So Canadians are technically Americans and every other country like Chile, etc.
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05/27/2004 05:11 AM (UTC)
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Hyuga Wrote:
I'm from Jamaica.

jah love... lordavmercy... bloodclot... babylon bwoy



Yeah, and Miss Cleo is his mom, a.k.a. my girlfriend.
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LadyRaiden
05/27/2004 01:53 PM (UTC)
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Raining_Smoke Wrote:
Ive been told by someone on another MK site that American isnt a nationality because everyone in America has come from somewhere esle (migrated ancestors). I noticed that some people have other country flags but are from the USA, so is it correct to put the country flag where your ancestors came from? This has always got me thinking.


I think some people are confusing ethnicity with nationality. Nationality is the country in which you live and/or claim citizenship. Ethnicity is defining where your ancestors came from. Many Americans have that hypenated definition of themselves which confuses things even more, Mexican-American, African-American, Hungarian-American, etc. For some crazy reason they can't be happy just being American. I say American because what else would you call a citizen of the United States of America in English, I know there is term in Spanish but for the shame of me I can't remember (Living in Tex-Mex land and all) it right now and even that was a mouth full. American is just the easiest thing to call us. If I went with the hypenated definition I guess you could call me Hungarian-Swedish-Norwegian-Texan-American. (Remember Texas was once an independent country of its own, some of the locals still claim it is. Tells you how behind the times we are around here.) But I prefer just to be an American. Proud at what my ancestors have done and try not to forget it or their cultures, but I live in the present and must work for the future in the USA. (Great, now I have that damn 'Proud to be an American' song in my head.)
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05/27/2004 01:57 PM (UTC)
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Lady Raiden after all that you stated before you have gained my respect, that's a very inteligent and mature position and you explained everything right. Indeed making your ancestors evident in your nationality is just useless and this is not disrispect to the ancestors but if you were born in a country that is your nationality and that's it. Thanx for the comment.
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05/27/2004 02:03 PM (UTC)
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Mk_FrEaK Wrote:
Lady Raiden after all that you stated before you have gained my respect, that's a very inteligent and mature position and you explained everything right. Indeed making your ancestors evident in your nationality is just useless and this is not disrispect to the ancestors but if you were born in a country that is your nationality and that's it. Thanx for the comment.


*blushing* Thanks, I think its just common sense but unfortunately it seems common sense is in extremely short supply in the USA sometimes.(or is it just Texas *scratches head and then shrugs*)
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05/27/2004 02:19 PM (UTC)
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I guess from 2 different stand point, one on this site yo can say your american, and put the if you where born, and live in america, but 2 i think nationality reffers to what other nationalities you have in you. Becuase even though americans are in america everyones ancestors where born in another county, and usually wen your someone asks your your nationaly you mostly tell them your other nationalities. Like me when someone asks me what nationallity I am I ussually tell them Italian (since I'm mainly italian),then usually irish, and Native American since I have some in me. But since our pofiles only let us choose one flag to represent us, we usually choose where we live/and or where born.
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05/27/2004 02:24 PM (UTC)
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I live in america but i don't claim it..I was born in Landport,England.And i prefer the UK as my place of choice..asi will move back the first chance i get...so nyah!
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LadyRaiden
05/27/2004 02:29 PM (UTC)
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kabal20 Wrote:
I guess from 2 different stand point, one on this site yo can say your american, and put the if you where born, and live in america, but 2 i think nationality reffers to what other nationalities you have in you. Becuase even though americans are in america everyones ancestors where born in another county, and usually wen your someone asks your your nationaly you mostly tell them your other nationalities. Like me when someone asks me what nationallity I am I ussually tell them Italian (since I'm mainly italian),then usually irish, and Native American since I have some in me. But since our pofiles only let us choose one flag to represent us, we usually choose where we live/and or where born.


But isn't your Irish, N. American, Italian background your ethnicity and not your nationality? Nationality is what country you consider your home and/or a citizen of, ethnicity is you biological/ancestoral (sp?) background. My Nationality is American, while my ethnicity is Hungarian/Swede/Norwegian aka European mix. (I still think its funny that the locals insist on calling me Anglo even though I don't have a drop of English, or is it British, blood in me.) I know its just a terminology game, but there is a little bit of a difference. I have more loyality to my nationality than my ethnicity, this might be wrong but its how I am.
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05/27/2004 02:32 PM (UTC)
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TäkatØ Wrote:
I live in america but i don't claim it..I was born in Landport,England.And i prefer the UK as my place of choice..asi will move back the first chance i get...so nyah!


That's the nice thing about the USA, you get to choose. I'm assuming your still a citizen of England so that is your Nationality.
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05/27/2004 03:04 PM (UTC)
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05/27/2004 07:14 PM (UTC)
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MKSECRETS Wrote:

Hyuga Wrote:
I'm from Jamaica.

jah love... lordavmercy... bloodclot... babylon bwoy



Yeah, and Miss Cleo is his mom, a.k.a. my girlfriend.


Wait a minute, she's with you too???
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05/27/2004 10:19 PM (UTC)
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I'm mostly German by descent, but my family has been full American since my great-grandparents. I don't consider myself German at all...I can say a total of "good day," "thank you," "shit-head," "I am a jelly doughnut," and "my pancake is in the snow."

Yeah.
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05/27/2004 10:37 PM (UTC)
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I'm Australian, and that's all i say when asked what my nationality is. My background may be scottish & german, but they were my great grandparents.

Definitions taken from the web.


the status of belonging to a particular nation by birth or naturalization
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

The country of a person’s citizenship or country in which the person is deemed a national.
www.immigration.gov/text/glossary.htm

The assigned nationality of an artist (person or group) in the Bainbridge Bunting Slide Library collections. The assigned nationality might be derived from the individual’s place of birth, citizenship distinct from place of birth, ancestry distinct from citizenship, or common association with a country distinct from either ancestry or citizenship. e.g. Canadian for Robert Houle.
bbmsl.unm.edu/vircona/artist_def.htm

The country of a person's citizenship. For nonimmigrant data, citizenship refers to the alien's reported country of citizenship
www.newamericans.com/citizen/define.htm

This entry provides the identifying terms for citizens - noun and adjective.
www.outfo.org/almanac/world_factbook_01/docs/notes.html

1. a legal relationship involving allegiance on the part of an individual and usually protection on the part of the state, membership in a particular nation. 2. a people having a common tradition and language, and capable of forming or actually constituting a nation state.
www.americaforamericans.org/definitions.htm


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ShaolinChuan
05/28/2004 09:05 PM (UTC)
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I'm Armenian. The name of my country is Armenia. I live in the U.S.

I'm proud to be one. My country and people have quite a history, and we are one of the most ancient civilizations of the world. Here are some facts that may interest you:


-Noah's Arc landed on Mount Ararat, one of the largest mountains in the world. At the time the Arc landed on the mountain, that territory was in Armenia until 1915 when the Genocide took place.


-When Jesus resurrected (and this is a fact, not a religious argument) he appeared in a town called "Etchmiadzin" and demanded that the first Christian Church should be made where he set foot.

-Armenia is the first country in the world to have Christianity.

-In 1915, the Ottoman Empire of Turkey demanded to kill every single Armenian, so that they could take over all of Armenia and claim it as Turkish land. About 1 million Armenians were murdered, decapitated, hung, burned, raped, (even children), upon many many more unthinkable human tortures were inflicted upon innocent people... not even the genocide of the jews can be compared with..


now this being said, I am not a nationalist nor posing hate among other Turks, and I know there are Turkish members on this board and in no way am I trying to put you down. It just angers me that this fact has been denied by the Turkish government, and the world doesn't even know that the genocide even happened.
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