Nick Berg video
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posted05/24/2004 09:59 PM (UTC)by
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MetallicA
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03/18/2004 03:36 AM (UTC)
Sitting here this morning i read a few articles on the internet about the beheading of the american Nick Berg. I, as anyone else who reads about it, felt sickened about the whole thing and as i was reading on i found a link to the video. Now i'm not sure what it was about it by for some reason i has a very strong feeling of curiosity and i watched the video. Now i don't believe i'm a sick person for watching it and i'm not the sort of person who watches these sorts of things for fun (i know of people who do though and i can't see why) as it was just out of curiosity. While downloading the video and browsing these forums i felt this sick feeling but it was also felt like i was in a way scared to watch it coz i didn't know what to expect. Finally the download completed and i watched and it starts off with Iraqis talking in their native and the civilian talking about who he is etc. and when it actually gets to the execution, let me say, it is the worst thing i have ever seen. It's absolutely disgusting and if you haven't seen it or plan to i reccomend not too as it is the only picture that has stayed in my head for the last hour.
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Hyuga
05/23/2004 03:17 AM (UTC)
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It's faked.
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The_Cold_Kombatant
05/23/2004 03:20 AM (UTC)
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Hyuga Wrote:
It's faked.




HAHAHAHAHA
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MetallicA
05/23/2004 03:36 AM (UTC)
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no shit, they did a good job of it then as it looked pretty real to me. Anyway i'm sure that is close to how it really happened and The_Cold_Kombatant you low life moron, i don't really see a funny side to this topic regardless of what u were relating to, maybe that is why ur name is the_COLD_kombatant.


The_Cold_Kombatant Wrote:


HAHAHAHAHA

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The_Cold_Kombatant
05/23/2004 03:40 AM (UTC)
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metallica Wrote:
no shit, they did a good job of it then as it looked pretty real to me. Anyway i'm sure that is close to how it really happened and The_Cold_Kombatant you low life moron, i don't really see a funny side to this topic regardless of what u were relating to, maybe that is why ur name is the_COLD_kombatant.


The_Cold_Kombatant Wrote:


HAHAHAHAHA




Hey buddy... I didn't crack the joke. I laughed at how what Hyuga said was so unpredictable after reading what you had wrote. Oh its time for me to throw an infant into the middle of the street. Yes. I AM that cold.
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Sub-ZeroMasta
05/23/2004 03:40 AM (UTC)
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metallica Wrote:
no shit, they did a good job of it then as it looked pretty real to me. Anyway i'm sure that is close to how it really happened and The_Cold_Kombatant you low life moron, i don't really see a funny side to this topic regardless of what u were relating to, maybe that is why ur name is the_COLD_kombatant.


The_Cold_Kombatant Wrote:


HAHAHAHAHA

LMMFAO
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DRFATALITY
05/23/2004 03:49 AM (UTC)
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That Vid wasn't a fake.Alot of people say that because they've never seen nothing like that.Your body goes into shock when your head gets sliced off it's not like how they show it in the movies.If it was fake why is that guy dead?
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Hyuga
05/23/2004 03:58 AM (UTC)
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You're not very smart sometimes. He was already dead. Plenty of surgeons have declared the video a fake. Copious amounts of blood would be spraying about if his head was really cut off when he was alive.
Drfatality Wrote:
That Vid wasn't a fake.Alot of people say that because they've never seen nothing like that.Your body goes into shock when your head gets sliced off it's not like how they show it in the movies.If it was fake why is that guy dead?

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Blade-Tsung
05/23/2004 04:00 AM (UTC)
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1] Berg had connections to al Qaeda terrorists strong enough to be questioned by the FBI. His email was used by accused terrorist Zacharias Moussaoui.
2] The United States and the Iraqi police detained Berg for 13 days, not releasing him until his father filed suit. He was detained as a suspected Israeli spy. The US now denies it had anything to do with the detention despite correspondence to the contrary. The Iraqi police also deny any involvement in his detention. They are playing hot potato with it.
3] When Berg was detained he, a Jew, had a copy of the Koran and an anti-semetic book entitled 'The Jewish Problem'. That is just strange.
3] Berg doesn't struggle or even flinch when his head is sawed off with a western style military knife.
4] An Islamic extremist would know the proper way to behead someone. It is the chosen form of execution in Saudi Arabia and probably other Arab nations as well. It is accomplished with one clean sword stroke to the neck. The person hacking off the head obviously had a great deal of difficulty doing so, owing to the poor choice of blade and technique.
5 ] No blood spurts from his neck as he is supposed to be dieing. The amount of blood on the floor is much smaller than it should have been. He should have died from bleeding out and this would have resulted in a couple of liters of blood spurting from his neck.
6 ] No blood gets on the hand of 'Zarqawi' even though it was in front of Berg's neck when he should have been bleeding out.
7] Zarqawi is thought to be dead and is known to have an artificial leg. Clearly the man hacking off the head didn't.
8 ] Zarqawi is known to have a tattoo on the back of his left hand of three green dots. The man hacking off the head didn't have a tattoo on his hand.
9 ] All the men had nice WHITE hands. Except in the last 20-30 seconds when the face appears to have been digitally lightened, the hands are as white or whiter than Berg's skin. Arab terrorists don't have white hands.
10 ] All of the men had identical, nice, clean clothing. It looked new. This is unlikely for rogue combatants in a war zone. It is likely if someone needed some 'terrorist' clothing for a video.
11] If Zarqawi was in the video, why didn't he show his face? It is known to the US already. It would have established the video's authenticity. It would have inspired fear. So why's it covered?
12] The real Zarqawi speaks with a Jordanian accent. According to a CNN mid-eastern expert who is a fluent professional translator, this 'Zarwaqi' did not speak with a Jordanian accent. She dismissed the possibility of it being him out of hand.
13] The whole time line is completely fucked up. There are many inconsistencies in the time line. I could cite at least a dozen. The most obvious is that he was 'found Monday over the weekend'
14] The 'militants' stood with a Western posture. When they moved in, their movements were rehearsed. Each knew where he was going when the action happened as if it were pre-planned.
15] Two of the 'Arab militants' brought their left hands to their faces during the video. The left hand is unclean in Arabic nations. It is used to wipe one's ass. The left hand is taboo. An Arab wouldn't eat with it or offer it to someone, they are unlikely to touch their eyes with it, it is unclean.
16] 'Zarqawi' is wearing a large gold ring. Islam reportedly forbids men to wear gold jewelry.
17] The rifles are reportedly Galil variants. These would be Israeli rifles. Arab militants wouldn't use Israeli weapons. The guns are all either Galils or Mac's.
18] Between Berg being knocked to the floor and then hacked up, the video cuts for no reason. Remember this isn't a two camera shoot, there is no reason for the video to cut. Something was cut out, or it would be continuous.
19] The website to which the video was supposedly released was down within 90 minutes. All major news organizations supposedly learned of this video and obtained copies within that time.
20 ] Berg is wearing an orange uniform identical to those at used by the US for detainies.
21] The walls and room are reportedly identical to the prison.
22] Berg is shown in a chair identical to those in the prison. If he was in an abandoned warehouse why wasn't he on looted office furniture instead. These chairs are not extremely rare, but the odds of both chairs being identical is slim.
23] The video never mentions the word 'Al Qaeda', it uses the word al qaed. These are two different words, one is a name and means 'The Base'. The other is not a name and translates as 'one who sits by and does nothing'. This translation is from the CNN arab language expert. She reports that any fluent speaker of Arabic would notice this difference.
24] Nick Berg's dad and Berg's tower company appear on a Free Republic 'enemies' list. The list isn't too long. I'm not on it under any alias I've used.
25] Nick Berg's tower company is not registered in his home state of Pennsylvania. While not a legal requirement, state officials report it would be nearly impossible to do business without registering.
26] The time code on the tape is in military time. Arabs use the standard arabic clock.
27] This video came out just when it would help the Bush regime the most. Fucktards everywhere are now using it to justify widespread US war crimes. Hardly the sort of reaction Islamic militants would desire, but obviously quite predictable.
28] One of the towers Berg worked on, the biggest and most damaged one, was near the prison.
29] No one can account for Berg's whereabouts from between April 10th (when his father believe he was killed) to May 11th the most firmly referenced of three days his body may have been found. He looks very clean and well fed to have been held prisoner by savages for over a month.
30 ] The US has not stated how his body was identified. It didn't have a head. It should have taken some time to ID.
31 ] Except for the individual reading the prepared statement, the only words said by the other 'terrorists' were "Allah Akbar" over and over. The speech was somewhat slurred. The accent differs significantly from the reader. I don't believe that they all spoke Arabic.
32 ] The speaker fumbles the transcript several times and goes back to the same page several times. It appeared he was having trouble reading his own statement.
33] During the hacking up part the video camera zooms in indistinctly just where you would expect the filmer to be trying for the most horrid details.
34] The body makes no death throws. None. Nada. Most animals, when they die, convulse.
35] Almost nothing dripped from the recently severed head. If he had just died the head should have still had a lot of blood in it. A head holds around a liter of blood in soft sponge-like tissues, unless the blood was coagulated it should have dripped for some time.
36] Berg continues to 'scream' after his windpipe has been cut through.
37] The time code actually jumps 11 hours during once splice in the video. Oops!
38] Near the end of the video, after the chanting stops, a distinctly Western voice can be heard to say what sounds like "Thy Will be Done" it then repeats itself. Hear it at Breakfornews.coms
39] Berg's body, though he was a civilian, was flown by the military to Dover Air Force Base. His parents had requested to be there when it arrived but that permission was denied. According to Department of State Publication 10391, Bureau of Consular Affairs, Revised September 1996, "The U.S. Government cannont pay to have your body buried overseas or returned to the United States." This is a publication intended for Americans living / working abroad.
40] The voice reading the statement at the beginning not only does not match the lips, but when the pages are turned and obviously lost in confussion, there is no pause. If you try to resynch the audio with the video you can not. The voice is dubbed in and poorly lip-synched.
41] The guy hacking off the head has a black hood, there is a very subtle cut at the end (after Thy Will Be Done) and the guy holding the head up is suddenly wearing a white mask. The time code jumps over a minute.
42] The registrant for the 'al Qaeda' website in Malaysia at which the video was originally released is Arab Press House in London, UK. Published at this address are ASHARQ AL-AWSAT, 'The Leading Daily Arab International Newspaper' with a circulation of around a Quarter-Million, and several Arab news magazines. This is a news service, not 'al Qaeda'!
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Sub-ZeroMasta
05/23/2004 04:03 AM (UTC)
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Damn u blade furious lol.
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05/23/2004 04:12 AM (UTC)
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metallica Wrote:
Sitting here this morning i read a few articles on the internet about the beheading of the american Nick Berg. I, as anyone else who reads about it, felt sickened about the whole thing and as i was reading on i found a link to the video. Now i'm not sure what it was about it by for some reason i has a very strong feeling of curiosity and i watched the video. Now i don't believe i'm a sick person for watching it and i'm not the sort of person who watches these sorts of things for fun (i know of people who do though and i can't see why) as it was just out of curiosity. While downloading the video and browsing these forums i felt this sick feeling but it was also felt like i was in a way scared to watch it coz i didn't know what to expect. Finally the download completed and i watched and it starts off with Iraqis talking in their native and the civilian talking about who he is etc. and when it actually gets to the execution, let me say, it is the worst thing i have ever seen. It's absolutely disgusting and if you haven't seen it or plan to i reccomend not too as it is the only picture that has stayed in my head for the last hour.


Dude I totally understand how you feel. Although I didn't see the Berg video myself, I had saw the daniel Perl video last year (the Reporter kinaped and killed in pakastan the same way). I came across it by acident, and is even shorter in lengh. It is so FUCKING disturbing. I couldn't get the image out of my head for two weeks. It's still distrubing just to think about it, and hearing about how Berg died just brings the those images back.
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JagerX2k
05/23/2004 04:37 AM (UTC)
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get over it.its not half as gruesome as you guys make it out to be.i feel for his parents but i've seen worse.i felt more emotion from seeing bud dwyer shoot himself than this video.after all that sawing i was expecting to see veins,flesh,and blood hanging from his neck but all i saw was one little string.come on,i've seen chucky kill people worse than that.
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Jahirocornboy22
05/23/2004 04:42 AM (UTC)
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So sorry it didn't give you the entertainment you were hoping for. No refunds though.

Come on dude.


jagerx2k Wrote:
get over it.its not half as gruesome as you guys make it out to be.i feel for his parents but i've seen worse.i felt more emotion from seeing bud dwyer shoot himself than this video.after all that sawing i was expecting to see veins,flesh,and blood hanging from his neck but all i saw was one little string.come on,i've seen chucky kill people worse than that.

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Marine_Warrior
05/23/2004 07:39 AM (UTC)
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It's fucked up anyway you look at it. Either that he was dead prior to or alive during.
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MetadragonX
05/23/2004 08:03 AM (UTC)
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sub-zeromasta Wrote:
Damn u blade lol.


I guess B-T pretty much debunked this. Of course, alot of ppl wont read what he wrote. Hmmmmm. I have so many questions now......
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Blade-Tsung
05/23/2004 07:09 PM (UTC)
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MetadragonX Wrote:

sub-zeromasta Wrote:
Damn u blade lol.


I guess B-T pretty much debunked this. Of course, alot of ppl wont read what he wrote. Hmmmmm. I have so many questions now......


heh true, but I thank u for reading it buddy.
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Prince_Goro78
05/24/2004 06:51 AM (UTC)
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I give props to Blade-Tsung for the points he made. I've seen the whole video and I thought it seemed real but after reading Blade-Tsung comment, I doubt it was real. But overall, it was a pretty sick and disgusting video to watch.
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05/24/2004 08:27 AM (UTC)
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tons of things show the USA set this up, I am sickened only by the fact that my country is that lame. This video did nothing but give me a fatality Idea. People nowadays are to "fragile". all well, IMO its a fake and its lame at that. I mean come on, if your gonna get actors dont make em fatasses in tennis shoes. L>A>M>E
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darkness
05/24/2004 03:10 PM (UTC)
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In a hightend state the arterial spray alone would be around 15ft. Not pool on the floor.
He was way to calm. Im thinking unless this was faked, he was doped up to the sky with tranquilizers or something.
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JagerX2k
05/24/2004 05:49 PM (UTC)
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gororules Wrote:
tons of things show the USA set this up, I am sickened only by the fact that my country is that lame. This video did nothing but give me a fatality Idea. People nowadays are to "fragile". all well, IMO its a fake and its lame at that. I mean come on, if your gonna get actors dont make em fatasses in tennis shoes. L>A>M>E


see,i'm not the only one who feels this way about the video.
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The_Cold_Kombatant
05/24/2004 06:45 PM (UTC)
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Wait. So are you people saying that no one got their head cut off or that, He was already dead when it happened? Or Are you saying that the head decapitation was real but not by the man who was accused?

All Im saying is... Whoever that is in the video. Alive or Dead, Gets their head cut off by Someone with a knife. You can't fake that.
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Hyuga
05/24/2004 07:28 PM (UTC)
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He was already dead when they chopped his head off. If you can find the video with the time code at the bottom, just look when it cuts away. It jumps 11 hours (or so I've heard. I won't watch it). Oddly enough, the time code is in standard US military time and not Arabic time format.
The_Cold_Kombatant Wrote:
Wait. So are you people saying that no one got their head cut off or that, He was already dead when it happened? Or Are you saying that the head decapitation was real but not by the man who was accused?

All Im saying is... Whoever that is in the video. Alive or Dead, Gets their head cut off by Someone with a knife. You can't fake that.

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The_Cold_Kombatant
05/24/2004 08:25 PM (UTC)
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Hyuga Wrote:
He was already dead when they chopped his head off. If you can find the video with the time code at the bottom, just look when it cuts away. It jumps 11 hours (or so I've heard. I won't watch it). Oddly enough, the time code is in standard US military time and not Arabic time format.
The_Cold_Kombatant Wrote:
Wait. So are you people saying that no one got their head cut off or that, He was already dead when it happened? Or Are you saying that the head decapitation was real but not by the man who was accused?

All Im saying is... Whoever that is in the video. Alive or Dead, Gets their head cut off by Someone with a knife. You can't fake that.



But the camera never cuts when the head is being cut off. It cuts from the beginning where he's sitting in the chair talking to the 5 minute speech. The end of the speech has the minute beheading. AFTER the head is off and we see the douche bag holding it up it THEN cuts to the head on the bed.

only 2 cuts in the film.

Its not like the video cuts when the head is being cut off because we see the entire process. We see the alive Nick Berg get pushed to the ground and the beheading begins.
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05/24/2004 09:22 PM (UTC)
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no watch the time from when its about to be all the way cut off, to him holding it up. on my copy there is a minute lap in time
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The_Cold_Kombatant
05/24/2004 09:59 PM (UTC)
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You're not getting it.

If it cuts to when the guy is holding it up everything up until then DIDN'T cut away. Which means the Alive Berg was pushed to the ground and the cutting of the neck can be seen for a long time before it cuts. You can also see the blood coming out.

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