Persecution of Islam in the USA? Christians and hatemongering?
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posted09/02/2011 07:29 PM (UTC)by
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I am as sanctimoneous and hypocritical as anyone else, even perhaps moreso, but this pretty much boiled my blood. Why? This is absolutely sad and low.




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08/18/2011 10:41 AM (UTC)
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Fundamentalists to the edge. Or would I say, over the edge. Gone too far.
sanctimoneous → sanctimonious (for your information, sir)
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08/18/2011 02:17 PM (UTC)
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Oh look...religion making itself look like a fool again.

One of many reasons I do not partake my time with spiritual beliefs.

In the end it always seems their is a war between faiths and it makes me wonder what is the point of it all.

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08/18/2011 03:44 PM (UTC)
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I wish people practiced what the preached, it's a sad joke how hypocritical people are, until people actually start doing what their religion teaches them,

And I'm sorry but Muslims don't even make up 4% of the American population, all this talk of them forcing Sharia law on us is a fricken joke,

I'm so embarassed watching this, it has nothing to do with me, but as an American, I feel this anti-intellectual behavior is just a shame, people are not motivated by truth, only hate.This is a great country, but most of those people don't know what it means to be American, America was created to have a place for us all, not just for certain groups, after centuries of this country's existence, people still don't get that this counry was made for all people of diverse background, it's like our motto, "out of many, one".



I fear the future of this country, I really do, these people are getting more vocal, more extreme and more loud, the same thing is happening in Muslim countries that is happening in America and parts of Europe, the moderate hand is being eroded, while the fringe hand is gaining power.

Extremism cannot be destroyed with extremism, it only creates more extremism, the only thing that can destroy it is education, tolerance, and love can do that in my view.


I watched the whole video, fucking bullies, the interrupting people when they try to refute your claims and talking over them is proof enough that these people don't want to understand, it's that simple. They harassed that man non-stop and then at the end they're like, "we didn't threaten to kill him or harm him in anyway" Do yo idiots want a cookie? He wasn't trying to harm you guys so why would you think that's appropriate conduct anyway?

I go to school in Dearborn, where that man was planning his Koran burning, I had intended on going as an observer, but thankfully it wasn't necessary because it was cancelled.
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08/18/2011 04:24 PM (UTC)
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I'm really proud of the guy who once he hears what the guy is saying he just goes "So that's what this is about." and walks off.

And can I just say that religion doesn't breed hate, but rather the group mentality of religion breeds hate. People want to identify themselves with a certain group, and once they do they tend to hate everyone is a different group. It can religious, national, ethnic, political, or even cliques.

I think we all just need to ignore the haters and practice love for one another.
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StatueofLiberty
08/18/2011 04:34 PM (UTC)
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You should see what we do to our teachers and our black population.
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Big_Speck
08/18/2011 05:13 PM (UTC)
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Being religious isn't a bad thing.

Being an intolerant asshole is. That goes for both religious and non-religious people alike.
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08/18/2011 07:25 PM (UTC)
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Never been into organized religion. I didn't even watch the video, I'm just too familiar with what some of the nuts in their communities are capable of.
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08/18/2011 07:38 PM (UTC)
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Can someone explain what the video is about i try to see it but my computer freezes when i do

but from what i read i mean this problem is with the ignorant people who dont even know what their religion says because it doesnt say to hate others because they practice something else

love your neighbors and enemies

i cant believe these twisted people who label themselves as christians and do this really stupid stuff that goes against their religion
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08/18/2011 10:26 PM (UTC)
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Bleak.

On the high note, however, there were and are people who aren't complete assholes. The Ottoman Empire had conquered most of Hungary and under Islamic rule. For roughly 150 years up to 1868.

There is a small stone near the Anjou Bastion in the Citadel of Budapest, dedicated to Abdurrahman Abdi Arnaut which was never vandalized so far to my knowledge.

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He fell the last governor and Pasha of Buda, Abdurrahman Abdi Arnaut, in his 70 year. He was a noble enemy and a hero. May he rest in peace.


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FlamingTP
08/19/2011 12:24 AM (UTC)
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To my knowledge Islamic peoples are tolerated just fine by most Americans. Although my opinion of them has dropped since the only interactions I've personally had with such peoples has been quite negative. TO receive a death thread from an Islamist is rather disconcerting, and I'm a neo-liberal to boot.
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08/19/2011 12:47 AM (UTC)
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Edit: My post added nothing.
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SubMan799
08/19/2011 01:08 AM (UTC)
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my favorite part was when the Christian American called God satan.
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FlamingTP
08/19/2011 01:37 AM (UTC)
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The muslim was right, he owned them all as far as I am concerned.

SubMan799 Wrote:
my favorite part was when the Christian American called God satan.


Yep, Same god, and we are apparently the ignorant ones.
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08/19/2011 02:15 AM (UTC)
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Islam, like most religions, is under the misapprehension that they are being persecuted. Nothing new here.
Though as far as religious misapprehensions go, their false persecution complex is very low on the list.
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08/19/2011 08:37 PM (UTC)
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Saying that Abrahamite religions worship the same god is ... troublesome to say the least. Sure, Christianity, Islam and Judaism shares the same ancestry, but their images of the God are vastly different.

In one sense, yes, it is the same deity, on the other hand, saying that our god is the same one as yours is a huge malapropism, not to mentiont tactlessness.


There is truth to the persecution of Islam somewhat (islamic majorities who have deposed of their shah for example usually tend to end up in a protodictatorial dictatorial "socialist" system, a la Hussein. Socialism prioritizes STATE above all else and intrudes into the intimate sphere, such as worship). Most vocal are the fundamentalists of course, since anything other but total obedience to the spiritual liege and leader is herecy.



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08/19/2011 10:20 PM (UTC)
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Chrome Wrote:
Saying that Abrahamite religions worship the same god is ... troublesome to say the least. Sure, Christianity, Islam and Judaism shares the same ancestry, but their images of the God are vastly different.

In one sense, yes, it is the same deity, on the other hand, saying that our god is the same one as yours is a huge malapropism, not to mentiont tactlessness.


There is truth to the persecution of Islam somewhat (islamic majorities who have deposed of their shah for example usually tend to end up in a protodictatorial dictatorial "socialist" system, a la Hussein. Socialism prioritizes STATE above all else and intrudes into the intimate sphere, such as worship). Most vocal are the fundamentalists of course, since anything other but total obedience to the spiritual liege and leader is herecy.





I think you might be confusing socialism with fascism in this case. Socialism is the concept of the group paying taxes for things the singular cant possibly afford. where facism is intrusive, often bolstered by religion. The state in this case is run by corporate entities, and the chosen few or often times singular rulers.
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Espio872
08/19/2011 10:37 PM (UTC)
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Both socialism and fascism can be highly restrictive, controlling and intrusive. Though fascism is the one where corporatism and fanatical religious beliefs thrive, socialism is usually very secular in nature, it doesn't tend to throw the state's support behind religion, must less fanatical interpretations.
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ICEgrenade
08/19/2011 10:45 PM (UTC)
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ok i didnt see the video but i will say this

IF you are a "christian" and have hate towards someone you are NOT a true christian! simple as that!

If Jesus Christ was able to love those who killed him brutally i'm sure real Christians can love anyone

"Christians" like those are the reason why people don't believe in God and Christianity, they need to realize that they are representing who Jesus Christ is but by doing things like that they ruin the chance of knowing an awesome God.

They just need to read the bible, plain and simple. it really is good!

but the only thing that gets to me is when the united states are more lenient to other religions but brings down Christianity with laws and what not.
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08/19/2011 11:15 PM (UTC)
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ICEgrenade Wrote:
ok i didnt see the video but i will say this

IF you are a "christian" and have hate towards someone you are NOT a true christian! simple as that!

If Jesus Christ was able to love those who killed him brutally i'm sure real Christians can love anyone

"Christians" like those are the reason why people don't believe in God and Christianity, they need to realize that they are representing who Jesus Christ is but by doing things like that they ruin the chance of knowing an awesome God.

They just need to read the bible, plain and simple. it really is good!

but the only thing that gets to me is when the united states are more lenient to other religions but brings down Christianity with laws and what not.


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08/19/2011 11:36 PM (UTC)
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Edit: NVM
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08/20/2011 12:58 AM (UTC)
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Religion isn't bad, its when people use religion as an excuse to be bigots. These retards do give religion a bad name. Which is why, in the civilized world today, atheism is growing faster than any religion.

I've been a proud atheist since I was 11.
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08/20/2011 01:16 AM (UTC)
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Espio872 Wrote:<
I agree, though I'm not a Christian (Agnostic), I understand where you're coming from, I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who thinks all Christians think that way(as the people on the video, everyone has idiots that claim to be a member of a specific group.

I respect all religious and no-religious people, though how you conduct yourself is important to me in how I view the person, not the group as a whole.


Secularism is in place to insure that the government treat all religions with the same hand, I'm not quite sure how Christians are brought down by laws, while other faiths are not.

I'm not trying to cause conflict, I'm just curious on your thoughts and would love to hear them.


haha no worries espio i dont like to cause conflict that'll be dumb since youve been cool with me.

anyways well I've heard examples in the news how during christmas time, a wal mart store turned off Christmas music due to a complain of a Muslim family (i think it was a family or just a single person) stating that it was offending their own faith

how they use happy holidays instead of merry christmas

also how they wanted to make changes to the pledge of allegiance to remove the "under God" part.

they werent laws per se but unnecessary dilemmas (legal and non)

sorry ill explain more later when i get a chance smile
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08/20/2011 01:44 AM (UTC)
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I have never met a true .

No really. Never seen one. I've met plenty of people spouting "No true Scotsman" fallacies. But I've never met a true religious person. I've yet to find someone to define what that is without being so broad that it could apply to a whole range of conflicting people.

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08/20/2011 01:57 AM (UTC)
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ICEgrenade Wrote:
Espio872 Wrote:<
I agree, though I'm not a Christian (Agnostic), I understand where you're coming from, I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who thinks all Christians think that way(as the people on the video, everyone has idiots that claim to be a member of a specific group.

I respect all religious and no-religious people, though how you conduct yourself is important to me in how I view the person, not the group as a whole.


Secularism is in place to insure that the government treat all religions with the same hand, I'm not quite sure how Christians are brought down by laws, while other faiths are not.

I'm not trying to cause conflict, I'm just curious on your thoughts and would love to hear them.


haha no worries espio i dont like to cause conflict that'll be dumb since youve been cool with me.

anyways well I've heard examples in the news how during christmas time, a wal mart store turned off Christmas music due to a complain of a Muslim family (i think it was a family or just a single person) stating that it was offending their own faith

how they use happy holidays instead of merry christmas

also how they wanted to make changes to the pledge of allegiance to remove the "under God" part.

they werent laws per se but unnecessary dilemmas (legal and non)

sorry ill explain more later when i get a chance smile


Yea yea also once idk where i think toronto but a person was buying something and a cashier said merry christmas the person got offended and filed charges

really stupid shit like all the person did was say merry christmas

and the whole "happy holidays thing" even in like schools they dont say merry chrismas

but i mean really christmas is becoming well already became a commercial holiday with all the santaclaus shit and just a huge moneymaker

and the cartoon mohommed thing well yea you know
i mean jesus is in south park and family guy and usually made fun of but when u try to do that with mohammed there will be HUGE controversy and in 2012 the movie they were supposed to show this muslim monument or something crumbling but they wouldnt let them yet u see the jesus statue in brasil breaking

anyways i have no idea where im going with this im just bringing up things
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