it will probably be the approximate price range and some system specs that theyll change within a week. or something along the lines of the "PS2 will ship with a hard drive and PSN will be available from day 1". V_V

to be honest, im done with Playstation. i went through 4 PS1s within the first month of its release (they wouldnt read anything) and about 6 PS2s in the first few months. the PS1s i had no problem getting replaced. with the PS2s, Future Shop replaced the first 2 and then they stopped taking them in because Sony said it was the owner/users fault and they started charging for repairs until some people sued them and Sony was forced to repair their faulty systems or give them new ones.

This probably could've just gone in the other PS4 thread you made, but whatever. It does look pretty cool, but I'm not entirely sold on it just yet.

Very good reveal. A lot better than I was expecting.

I caught bits of it. From what I saw, I'm more interested than I thought I'd be in it, but there are still a lot of info I need before i commit to buying one. My PS3 was my most unused console I've had for gaming. I'm really hesitant to buy a PS4.

i watched maybe the first 35 minutes than something came up so did they reveal the console itself?

They never actually showed the console itself but they showed quite a bit of tech demo/gameplay graphics demo type of stuff.

ok thanks. im curious as to what the system itself looks like

If they can't keep the price under $400, this is going to bomb.

No one is going to break their wallets over what's really just a long list of new peripheral features. And that's not to say the features are bad. Some of these things would make my life way easier. However, people don't drop their jaws over social networks anymore, and I can't see why being able to directly view your friend's gaming experience going to have a lasting appeal. It's going to be cool in situational instances, but it's not going to "change the way I game."

As for the specs, more power is great, but it's not going to transform the experience regarding fun-factor. The development obstacles of old that required more power are virtually gone. This is not "Mario World" turning into "Mario 64." The gaming experience itself looks the same except faster and prettier. Is the public ready to throw down entire Benjamins for "faster and prettier"?

They were barely willing to do it for the PS3!

I mean, look at the key terms: "Simple, Immediate, Social, Integrated and Personalized." In other words, this going to be "the console of convenience." Well, it will never be as convenient as just playing the current-gen FPS's that have a fully-functional online experience that people still really enjoy. And that's another problem. They're not just competing with Microsoft; they're competing with their own previous-gen console, and in this economy... happy hunting, Sony.

Imagine if my luthier stole my bass and confronted me a day later saying, "Hey buddy, I did some small upgrades to your axe. I lowered the action, replaced your already-high-end pickup with a slightly better one, and upgraded your 9-volt preamp to an 18-volt one for more headroom. That'll be $400 dollars." You would laugh your ass off... after you were done slapping him.

Yeah we should have just stuck with N64 and PS1. I mean, 360 and PS3 are basically the same thing, just faster and prettier.

Yes, the public is ready. This generation has really been drawn out. It's time for new hardware. The current consoles are struggling to keep up with the newest games. Developers have pushed the hardware to the limit. People will always want faster and shinier.

And yeah, people will buy it. People buy overpriced Apple products every single year, don't they? I don't think the economy thing is really an issue. People will buy anything if it's marketed enough.

Not that it's what you're saying, but I don't really understand the "we don't need new consoles" argument. We totally do, and I'm glad they're coming.

Very impressed. It looks like Sony is trying to go for the throat. I will be in line, day 1.

The PS4 doesn't look special at all...

Lame.

I bet they fail miserably with this one. Especially if they have a steep price. Nobody I know has been happy with their PS3 long-term, and I honestly don't feel like they will be with PS4. The graphics aren't too much prettier, but the power of it looks nice though.

But they weren't. The N64 had severe memory issues, and the PS1 had loading times beyond comparable to current-gen systems. Both systems suffered graphically (in the non-cinematic graphics, Cloud Strife had long prisms for hands).

My point is that graphical improvement from, say, FF9 to FFX was so drastic that it affected the players level of immersion (theoretically; I'm not fond of FFX). Is the PS4's better lighting and more detailed skylines going to increase immersion? For more than ten minutes, that is?

Also, there were the endless camera issues that were found even in good games. I love the 32-bit era, but it wasn't perfect. In modern gaming, if a game sucks, it's because the developers were incompetent, or their budget got pulled beneath them.

BTW, my dyslexia lives forever in your quote, lol.


I don't disagree with this, but this implies more about developer's ambitions than it does about public demand. The desire for a new console is fueled more by curiosity than frustration.


In regards to phones, yes, but that's an unfair comparison, IMO. Phones are still undergoing technological jumps (though not as large as previously). Also, a phone is personalized in a way that a console is not (and if done right, is a much cheaper upgrade). And though I'm not a tablet fan, it seems they have secured a place in the business world, and their market is going to grow because of that.

That said, history doesn't support that new Sony's brand new thing is gonna sell. The PS3 struggled bad in its early years, and unlike PS4, it actually did have a sought-out exclusive feature (the blu-ray).


Well, we do need new consoles, but they need to be financially feasible. My prediction is that current-gen consoles are going to experience a huge longevity, and the "you can't play this new game unless you by our hardware" scheme isn't going to work as well anymore.

I agree. Some of the stuff really didn't look all that impressive (graphically) or that it couldn't be done on current gen hardware (particularly Killzone and DriveClub). David Cage's tech demo for character emotions was interesting, but that was about it and while I like the idea of using cloud gaming for old gen titles, I'm not supporting it if i can't port my existing PSX and PS2 games some how. I refuse to drop extra money on digital copies from Sony.

It seems with the advancement of technology, game developers find new ways of ripping customers off. It's like there fall back in case the new gen doesn't pan out as they expect. they can always release ports through PSN and sap people content they already own.

I'm a PS3 user, but at the moment I don't care at all about the next one. Haven't read a single article about it yet.

I gotta say it was a pretty good reveal. I was happy with it. However, I'm not completely sold yet. I need to see some more exclusives first. If I can't transfer all my PS3 downloads to my PS4 we will have a problem.

Infamous: Second Son was a great start though.

I found the announcement to be thoroughly impressive, and am eagerly anticipating learning more about the PS4. The "centralized social network" angle was an expected evolution, as was the controller. Honestly, apart from dl'ing from a cloud server being the only way to acquire old games (at a somewhat extravagant price, I should think) I didn't see anything disappointing.

Now, of course there are some ambiguities that are leaving me on the fence right now, the price point being the most significant. I would think Sony learned their lesson from the PS3 launch debacle. Remember, the PS3 didn't start making progress until the redesign at the $299 price point. Up until then, the 360 and Wii were both outselling Sony by a ridiculous margin.

Sony showed some real brass balls by coming out of the gate swinging last evening. It'll be most interesting to see how Microsoft responds.

Killzone Shadow Fall and Watch Dogs. It's over! so excited for these 2 games!

Must admit I was going in a bit pessimistic about it but It looks pretty good!

rumor states there are 2 models. one being 499 and the other 599

PlayStation 4 will NOT block used games!


In the months leading up to Sony‘s big reveal of the PS4, which took place earlier today by the way, there were rumors that suggested the next-gen console would block used games from being played. Backlash instantly arose, especially with GameStop, a retailer that makes a good deal of money off the sale of used games.

Thankfully, those rumors will not come to pass, as Sony Worldwide Studios’ Shuhei Yoshida has confirmed the PS4 will play used games. That means, at least for now, retailers like GameStop and services like GameFly are safe.

Eurogamer sat down with Yoshida a few hours after the PS4 event, and skirted around talk of whether or not the console would play used games. Yoshida, in turn, entered into a hypothetical discussion that ultimately resulted in him confirming the PS4 won’t block games. Put simply: because consumers wouldn’t want that, Sony doesn’t want that.

“Yes. That’s the general expectation by consumers. They purchase physical form, they want to use it everywhere, right? So that’s my expectation.”

Yoshida’s use of the word “expectation” gives us pause about the console blocking used games, but it seems like all’s clear on the used games front.

And what about that patent that reportedly blocked used games? Eurogamer claims that was for something completely different, and was never meant for the PS4.

So gamers can rest easy knowing that the PS4 won’t be the first step in major publishers’ battle against used games. That doesn’t mean that future technology – namely a streaming service or digital downloads – won’t render the sale of physical media obsolete, but for now they are safe.

As a matter of fact, Sony didn’t make any mention of physical media during their PS4 event. Yes they revealed that digital downloads will be made much easier thanks to a dedicated processor, but should we just assume that the Blu-Ray is still the format for Sony?

Make sure to check out all the information from the PS4 event, including some of the new games revealed (Killzone: Shadow Fall, inFAMOUS: Second Son, and Knack).

Are you happy to hear that the PS4 will not block used games? Do you think a console that won’t play used games is in our future?

The PS4 is targeting a holiday 2013 release.


http://gamerant.com/ps4-block-used-games/

PS4 doesn't look too exciting to me, actually neither did the PS3, took a few years to get me to want to buy one. I doubt we'll ever get that big leap again like we did with the N64 or with the PS2/Xbox.

Gamespot is reporting more info on the PS4. It's been confirmed that the PS4 will not be backward compatible. In addition nor will the system play or transfer exsiting PSN digitally purchased games, although Sony is looking for way to make them playable in some form.

Looking much less a buy for me, especially if Sony tries and charge for the same content again.

I have a great solution to this.

Make the entire PSX, PS2, and PS3 libraries available on PSN. If you have the corresponding disc, you can insert it into the PS4 and then download that game for free from PSN. The logistics of it might be a bit strained for PS3 games when it comes to disk space, but then again cloud saves and such could help with that problem.

Looks really good. The Witcher 3 is coming to PS4 and that looks pretty good. The share feature could be useful for fighting games