I think it would be cool to have a God of War style game where you play as Lucifer before his fall from Paradise and have the plot lead up to the rebellion of the angels and finally end with his fall from grace.

Satan for MK9 DLC.

NO GUEST KHARACTERS!

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Technically some type of Lucifer-character is mentioned in the MK4 storyline, so this would be the MK-universe Lucifer, so does he still count as a "guest" character?

No it wouldn't be a guest character because there is a ruler of hell, given the name Lucifer in MK4, but he is never seen for whatever reason...


As for the topic, characters like Azazel is probably the closest we'll get to something like that.

Maybe in the old timeline my friends...but these are strange times.

Go Team Satan! ;D
It would be cool to have a game where the Lord of Darkness is the main protagonist. I'd be in for that.

People have variable views on Satan. Although he is often compared to Lucifer, they are not the same in the Holy Bible. Satan isn't exactly the lord of [instert any evil word], only of Hell.
Whether or not we would get Satan or even a misconception of him, it wouldn't mean that Mortal Kombat would follow the line of the Holy Bible after that. The MK team tends to write Netherrealm as Hell in many games because they strongly resemble each other. Really though, Netherrealm is just a realm that happens to remind Hell from the Holy Bible.
Many successful stories have utilized the Holy Bible because you won't get in court for doing that - it has dozens of authors who've been dead for millenia - and it always fascinates the most viewers/readers to notice the connection. The Halo series has a strong connection to the Holy Bible in a futuristic setting, for one.
Well now that we have heard of Lucifer a.k.a. the best angel of God who fell a.k.a. the common misconception of Satan, in the previous MK titles, we should get to see more of him and get closer to The One Being who has been known to exist in the MK mythos for the last seven years. Whether or not the Holy Bible is truthful then, nobody knows for granted, it surely is of genius writing. I won't speak up further of it here. I got your message people, don't worry about that. Just clearing things up, that's all.

This is Lucifer and this is Satan

Regardless of timeline, the shift in canon linearity was at the start of MK1. Lucifer was in existence before this point according to what I remember reading in Shinnoks/Quan Chi's past. So he could come into existence if they wanted. I would maybe expect they would play it off as an existing character though. Perhaps the defeated Lucifer became a certain Cleric of Chaos we all know and love. Would be a good twist. Not that I want it. I love Havik.

That wouldn't make sense for Havik at all though.

Havik is a being that is neither good nor evil, he is simply chaotic, he's not a malicious entity, so I don't think that would be appropriate for the character.

He's the grey area character, he has no interest in seeing good people win and do the right thing and he doesn't care about the evil and injustice in the world, his bottom line: 'is this causing strife and conflict?"

I think making him connected to Lucifer or any hellish/evil type of thing would completely change one of Havik's defining qualities.

A little off topic, but I've always though the war of heaven would make for an awesome movie. Picture Lord of the Ring+Troy+Constintine. It would never get made because of the religious association with it though.

In Little Nicky, Satan was the son of Lucifer. I like that idea.

What if someone else put a spin on it and had Satan battle his father for supremacy? I'm just interested in winged ugly bastards fuming it out.

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Deception is an action game with RPG elements, resembling the FMV genre of games, particularly Sega CD such as Night Trap and Double Switch. The primary object of the series is to dispatch intruders through the positioning and activation of traps. What sets Deception apart from the Digital Pictures' predecessors is that moral judgment comes heavily into play.

The player takes on the role of an unjustly executed man, who pleads to the devil to spare his life at the moment of his demise. The devil (explicitly referred to as 'Satan' in the manual) grants his request, and gives him command over the 'Castle of the Damned'. Soon after taking control of the castle, many visitors soon find themselves drawn to the fortess: some for power, some for salvation, and some for something as simple as shelter.

The player has the option of either destroying the intruders or letting them escape, but both choices carry consequences: for example, the player may choose to either kill their parents, who are out to find a cure for their ailing daughter, or let them escape to inform others of the demonic presence invading the mansion. Additionally, killing intruders is sometimes the only way to proceed and gain more Magic Points (earned by taking the victims' souls) or gold (earned by killing the victims).

Gameplay is carried out by a three-dimensional representation of the character, and traps can then be activated and setup within varied rooms of the castle and then created before each respective level. The story will take various paths depending on the choices the player makes.
you choose who lives... and who dies!






Not exactly the action packed adventure you were talking about, but damn close to playing Satan. I mean your a demonic being living in the Castle of the Damned, trying to resurrect the unholy one on earth. Hell of a game :D

Dante's Inferno has a pretty epic final battle with Lucifer. I know I've seen him mentioned in the MK storyline, it would be awesome to see him in an MK game, at least Netherealm's version of him would be pretty epic.

The perception of Satan/Lucifer as an evil figure is derived from the mentality of men. If I seen what the netherrealm looked like and somebody was ruling it, I would assume they are evil as well.

In fact, in the MK canon or even real life, he could exist as a force of his own. Not bound by the perimeters of evil, but rather his own ambition. Whatever that may be.

Like a dictator of a rival country. We perceive them as "bad" based on our balance of thought and moral combined with the blind human willingness to believe that we are the righteous and all opposing forces are the enemy. Which is present in the majority of people today.

Good or Evil is a matter of perception. Any "evil" figure has never done anything thinking it in the name of evil. But rather what they feel it should be.

That being said, It could easily fit. Not by our perception, but by his.

Not really. Lucifer was said to be a deceiver who worked for God by tempting humans to stray from the path of good so God could see who was really good. Well one day Lucifer decided he was going to over throw God from heaven and take over. This didn't work out so well and he was cast down to the pits of Hell for treason. He then vowed to basically represent all evil in the world in order to piss off God.

You can say what you want about the concepts of good and evil but you can't really say that Satan is only evil from a matter of perspective when he proclaims to be evil incarnate and was created as a an embodiment of all the evil in the world.

You don't really play as satan, but Bayonetta is a witch who kind of GOW style kills angels... even summons demons.

Also, Dante's inferno is GOW style and u go thru the inferno... altho u kill demons and fight Lucifer...

lol close but no cigar...

I just finished El Shaddai, Ascension of the metraton. Its a great game. You play as Enoch (a human who was taken by god into heaven widouth having to dye, he is inmortal), and you return to earth to fight the angels who came defying god's will. One of the most interesting things about the game though, is that LucifeL (Clearly Lucifer before falling) is your guide, the one who gives you the weapons, teaches you how to use them and reports your progress to God (by cellphone :P). I would've loved if the game included a "play as lucifel" mode, or if it had something similar in a secuel, if they ever make it.

I don't know who said it, but before a movie of the battle in heaven i would preffer a game!


With MK, wasnt' Elder Demon Baphomet the only reference to Satan there was in MK? Or was there anotherone? Still, i wouldn't like Havik to have a reation to Satan. As Espio said, one of the most defining things about Havik is that he is neither good nor bad, he only cares about having a conflict.

You would be 100% right except... I was talking about the information we had in the MK canon. Not real life. hahaha

I know variations of biblical origins. I definitely know that most stories/tellings/whatever set satan up to be the willing presence of evil. But in our fictional world. We have little to believe it is identical to our world.

I understand many people would say it is presumed since Earthrealm is meant to represent our world. But it is still fictional with many elements differing. So When it comes to a possible character, I would rather not assume. Especially when something created by the might of god, was somehow overthrown in the Netherrealm by Shinnok.

Brings another question to mind. is our god considered an elder god? One Being? And if so, what relationship does Shinnok share with him? If they are on par, then I can understand why Lucifer was overthrown. Not like it wasn't close. I remember reading there was a very long war for control of the Netherrealm.

Regardless. I know what point you are making. I care not for religious conflict if thats what anybody thinks. I wont even go there. But in this fictional canon. It is very possible to differ from our very perceived "evil satan".

I did intend to clarify, that is my fault. Apologies.

But that's the thing Casselman, Mortal Kombat has always emphasized the dark and evil nature of the Netherrealm.

Things like, only evil beings can enter and be contained there have been around for a while, look at Nightwolf's inability to enter and having to absorb the sins of countless people to enter.

Mortal Kombat's depiction of hell is also like the Christian interpretation, fire, suffering, darkness, desolation, nothing of beauty,etc.

They have not portrayed hell or its rulers as grey area entities, they have portrayed it in the Christian sense, hell is a place for the evil and the condemned to them( yes there are people like Ashrah and Sareena in the MK canon, but they are exceptions NOT the rule).




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They have chosen to set these characters up in a morality good v.s. evil sense, not as a grey area situation. They made specific characters to portray the moral grey areas of human consciousness, like Havik. If they were going for something else, I do not believe Lucifer would have been chosen as the name and he'd have a relationship that was more like the Zeus, Poseidon, Hades relationship instead of the Christian esque relationship with the ruler of the underworld.



Below is only partially topic related so feel free to ignore this, so as to not derail the thread but I felt the need to respond to the mention of dictators and I put it in spoilers.

I'm pretty sure you get to play as Mephisto in some Marvel game, not sure which. And he comes close enough.

I loved Satan in Castlevania: Lords of Shadow.

Even if the fight was kind of "out of the blue".

I'm not sure I'd want him in MK ( as playable anyway) but A satan hack n slash adventure game would be awesome, if a little Controversial.

The evilness of the plane of the Netherrealm came to mind as I was writing that post. It is a great point. Almost undeniable it would have the effect of assimilation towards evil for somebody who is there a lengthy period of time. Shujinko was tainted over a short period, imagine ruling it for thousands of years? Hard for me to argue that one. It may be checkmate.

I am still going to put aside all biblical/christian interpretations of the character satan as a strict "possibility" at this point. There is no mention of him having the same origin. And much like real life today, our ancient stories differ in the greatest. I find the prospect of the story of Satan and god to be laughable. I am not trying to start a religious debate here. I just personally don't buy it. So clearly it will show through my opinion here.

What I wonder is, do people that die in outworld, edenia etc go to the netherrealm as well? I am doing my best to remember but can't. Giving it an intertwined connection to all realms in the same fashion will increase the liklyhood of if being the pinnacle of negativity throughout the lore of MK.

In that case, I can believe that there was some sort of interaction between Lucifer and "god" (one of the elder gods?) which happened to lead to his assumed title.

Bottom line is, All I am saying is we should not take beliefs from our world when it comes to this as assumed fact in the lore of MK. it is a fictional story. Christians/catholics/jews etc have their beliefs. And I am sure the MK lore has Earthrealm present to our own, with religious people of the same nature. But that does NOT justify assumption on who is what, and what is what, and why it is like that. NOTHING that is inherently present in our world, at all necessarily means it is present in this lore. We must treat it like something of its own. Not like our world or our beliefs. Period. I have my religious beliefs as well, which will not be disclosed. But they would never sway my judgment or interpretation of a fictional story for my own mental set of beliefs or will. Or any extension of sorts, my own mind.

Debate is fine. But assuming within a canon is the most frustrating thing we can do.