I'm starting to think you're trolling now. All those links were backed up by legit studies and numbers. As far as my political views go no I'm not a conservative or a Fox News viewer. I am a libertarian, a minarchist. Socially liberal, fiscally conservative. Firm believer in the NAP(Non Aggressive Principal).

You really want to just throw in abortion into the argument I can argue that conservatives don't have it wrong by any means. Let's just assume all Conservatives are Pro-Lifers for a minute. Pro-Life means that you view a fetus as a human being and that abortion is murder. They believe that the mother should have kept her legs closed if she didn't want a baby and knew the risks involved when you have intercourse even if you use birth control which tells you to begin with that it's not 100% effective. They assume a person is intelligent enough to know the risk and accept the consequences of sex. They also don't want their taxes going to someone who chooses to abort the baby growing inside them. It's a pretty solid argument for the most part as to which the opposing argument coming from Liberals and SJWs is just "STAY OUTTA MY VAGINA" which is short for "Let me abort this child I don't want because I'm not mature enough yet and I want to keep fucking random guys at parties!" Then they use children to hold up their signs during rallies and protests(as if that doesn't look ironic as fuck) while they chant "Hail Satan" to piss off Christians because Christians think murder is wrong in any sort of way. Just another way SJWs go about stuff the wrong way.

Now don't assume that I am a pro-lifer. I'm not. Im not exactly a pro-choicer either but I don't think you should be able to abort a 7 lb baby. I think that a woman should have the choice to abort before the fetus gains cardiovascular and brain function which takes about two months after conception. I believe that a woman has two months to make a decision UNLESS there are complications that could lead to the mothers death, instances of rape or incest, or proof that the child may have serious problems that affect their own and their parents own quality of life. I don't believe my taxes should go to women who want to abort in any circumstance. I did have a friend who told me once that he's the opposite. He would be happy for his taxes to go to abortions because he doesn't want the movie Idiocracy to become reality. Dumb people fuck too much and have more kids than intelligent people. I understand his stance. I just can't support it yet.

SJWing is a lot like praying. You feel you accomplished something without actually accomplishing something.

Yawn, what? Perhaps if you stayed awak to finish reading my posts, instead of dreaming up baseless accusations. I am also blaming males.

Sex is the sacred act of creating life. It is a serious medical condition inflicted on at least 2 people. Birth control only causes defects. If you don't want kids, don't have sex. Stop selfishly overtaxing health & monetary systems with your unwanted poor moral choice.

Humans breed like Rats & spread like a Plague..

Don't turn this into a science vs religion thing, both sides are wrong.
Somebody needs to educate the Young Earth Creationists, and Bill Nye on the science of Time Dialation...
"A Day with God is like 1000 years on Earth." Where does this quote actually come from?



Ka-Tra

Actually that's even funnier. Say for sake of argument that colt's posts have been unintelligent, you've still been unable to refute anything in them.

I find it extremely funny how this thread just seems to be a bunch of people that decided to post because they got all riled up!





Aww come on now Ka-Tra, I never pegged you as a troll!

"sacred act of creating life", "Don't turn this into a science vs religion thing", and then quoting the bible?!

Those points cannot be discussed without addressing the obvious presuppositions you are making which are based on the bible.

Sex being a sacred act of creating life is not entirely true. A lot of people have unprotected sex and do not produce a baby. Sorry to get graphic, but the act of having sex is a serious medical condition? That's a bit of a stretch but I can see how having something temporarily inside of you or temporarily being inside of someone could be considered a medical condition.... serious depending on what exactly that is... but for real? You consider the act of having sex a serious medical condition? I can flow with that at least.

Woah woah woah! Birth control causes defects?! "Withdrawal" is a form of birth control, does that cause defects?! I am quite sure it doesn't no matter what form of "defect" you are talking about.

"Stop selfishly overtaxing health & monetary systems with your unwanted poor moral choice."- Also, unfortunately, very laughable. Morality is subjective, so to say someone else has made a poor moral choice without understanding the situation personally is ridiculous. Let alone the fact that these people do not make the choice whether or not these options are paid for by the government or not. You really think there is a strain on the health and monetary systems due to abortions? Nonsense.

No such thing as science V religion... at least there shouldn't be. Religion is like human societies first attempt at science. And healthcare, and morality, and all that other good stuff. Notice the words "first attempt". You wouldn't want to live with 1st century health care, why would you want to continue with 1st century science and morality?

"Somebody needs to educate the Young Earth Creationists, and Bill Nye on the science of Time Dialation..."

LOL wtf are you even trying to say here? Are you well versed in the science of Time Dilation?! If so please elaborate more on this point. .

This is getting good

There is a difference between standing up for what is right, and the encouragement of weakness due to the padding of super-ego.

Good people do good for the sake of selflessness, and they pass on valuable meanings with their actions.

SJWs live in a fantasy land.

One uplifts and encourages self improvement, the other actually brings someone down by insisting people are perfect little snowflakes.

Being an asshole is not ever warranted. That includes being an asshole while masquerading as someone with a cause. That is an SJW.

One is respectable. One is pitiful.

There is a distinct line. This generation is just forgetting that circle-share time ended in first grade. Life is enlightening, but not always merciful. Character is built upon making it through these obstacles and sharing your lessons for the greater good, not sitting down and crying like a little bitch until someone just as simple decides to whisper how important you really aren't in your ear.

I fall for it every time

I go on Jezebel and post Rape GIFS just to see how many people I can trigger

Get@Me Thug4lyfe.

I think they should start sexualizing men in the media more. One, for the sake of gender equality, and two, because I love women in skimpy outfits and wouldn't want to lose them, which might be what would happen if liberals, who are just as sexually constipated as conservatives but for different reasons, had their way.

Sexualized women entertain me greatly, and I want to straight women and gay men to have their fun too. Because it's right, and because I'm not an insecure bigot.

Exactly what part of your life is being inconvenienced by treating people with dignity, and respect?

Stop creating unnecessary suffering.



Ka-Tra

Insignificant specks of feculent scum!

I'm gonna start using feculent more. I like it.

Heh heh, chances are you're just trolling, but in case you're actually serious:

Obviously, characters in video games couldn't get both sexy outfits and "serious" ones. It's not like the concept of alternate outfits exists or anything.

And lol at you acting like sexualization is degrading. Yeah, it's obviously sexy outfits that are degrading, and not the idea that they make a person rape-bait, which is pretty much what you said in your first post in this thread. It also couldn't be because some people are what I'd call "sexually undisciplined" and can't help but treat attractive people in loose clothing like crap. Nah, it's just the sexy outfits. Remove them from the equation, and everyone shall be pure of heart and mind (sarcasm).

It's funny how I often end up being treated like both a whiny SJW, and a morally loose scumbag, by both simplistic liberals and conservatives (at least people who sound like either). Jeez people, make up your minds. Am I an uppity SJW who wants women and minorities to like him, or a depraved monster?

I mean, SJWs who care about women's rights must be these uptight sex-hating pricks who spoil everyone's fun, right? But then I mention loving scantily-clad gals, and now I'm suddenly a creep.

Damn, how happy I am not to be either a lib or a con. Too many strict rules on both sides.

The big problem with SJWs? Moral myopia.

It's very easy to label people "good guys" and "bad guys." But this is really dangerous because the minute we decide we're 100% good and someone else is 100% bad then we absolve ourselves of a lot of responsibility. Suddenly we can justify all kinds of horrible shit as long as the people on the receiving end are the "bad guys."

Another issue is that SJWs are actually extremely cynical people. Their worldview is often based around seeing malice in things that could be easily explained by much less sinister reasons. Like that dude Matt Taylor's shirt. A scientist wears a shirt with a bunch of girls on it and SJWs go apeshit and make him apologize. Which is incredibly frustrating because, well...


Seriously, SJWs straight up slut shamed the guy. It's impossible to reconcile the "don't judge women for their choice of attire" policy with "make that guy cry in public for his." Hence the myopia.

SJWs aren't really about making the world a better place.

It's like how Anita Sarkeesian has made a name for herself arguing that video games are turning men into misogynists. But isn't that the Jack Thompson argument? Why is it that Jack Thompson is a walking joke for suggesting that game violence will make kids into killers but Anita Sarkeesian can generate thousands upon thousands of dollars for making essentially the exact same argument?

It's because there really isn't an argument at all. It's just a culture of outrage. A race to the bottom. A game of who has it worse to justify undefined anger at undefined targets. And ultimately the goal isn't to make the world a better place but for the person to be able to grandstand as a moral superior.

One example is "offensive language." I have very little tolerance for when people fail to appreciate context of conversation. This phenomenon is a huge issue for old people. A ton of words we consider offensive today were ordinary colloquialisms or even clinical terms. It's like a trap. "You're not keeping up with arbitrary linguistic changes? Gotcha! Now I can call you racist/sexist/homophobic/intolerant!" All of this regardless of whether or not the person in question was even trying to be offensive. I don't appreciate people dodging the difficult task of considering the nuance of context in order to take a shortcut to moral superiority. I happen to think that's actually immoral. It's what leads to the inane argument that Bayonetta promotes sexism. We're on a Mortal Kombat website and we're ready to start arguing that video games promote real life bad behavior? Didn't we settle this back in 1994 or something? But it's the easy road. It's easy to point at Bayonetta, or Dead or Alive, or whatever shirt some scientist wears. You get to get mad about things without having to do the work that comes with having an actual goal.

But that's the SJWs modus operandi. Shortcuts. Taking the easy road. The women's suffrage movement didn't just nebulously allude to the treatment of women. It straight up said to give women the right to vote. Specific demand, specific solution. But what the modern breed of SJWs have done is become a shallow parody of all those past movements.

https://youtu.be/AW_IhR4cWF4

Just going to leave this here.

#Sonned

Lol that dude went in!

TonyTheTiger and m0s3ph pretty much summarized my opinions.

Did anyone here see "Focus" starring Margot Robbie and Will Smith?

I'm asking because there have been some bigots that accused it of pushing the "SJW Agenda", and I wanted to know if anyone here who dislike SJWs here agreed with that sentiment.

Why are you framing it in this way? Isn't that begging the question?

Womens' & Racial issues both stem from the idea that you can own another sentient being, and treat them like an animal or object.

Stop aggressively flaunting your sexuality... everyone. It's getting in the way of the serious issues you need to focus on.
I've always ranted about your "party hearty", "spring break",
"fuck n chuck" mentality.

Victims need to scream even louder, there is still far too much ignorance, and tolerance of abuse. Our corruption dragnet will find you.

Human Rights can not be used to argue every ridiculous claim.
I can't fight for my ancestral Viking/Celt right to own slaves or perform Human sacrifices to appease our pagan false gods.

Pedophiles can't fight to legally fuck kids, even though they already know far too much about sexuality from their gay parents, and transgender friends.

You really wanna live in "Mad Max" times, where every day is
"The Purge" constantly on the run, fending off merauding raiders,
and cannibal rape gangs!?



Ka-Tra

It is illegal in any case I can think of to treat another human like an animal or object. What exactly are you fighting for? The vast majority of people also accept that it is not okay to treat another human like an object or animal, regardless of sex/race. This has become common sense to most people, and it is reflected in our Canadian laws especially.

On second thought, we are all animals (I dare you to tell me we aren't animals) so why is it abominable to treat humans like animals? I get you're point, but it's literally moot. Especially when you consider it's okay to do some things to certain animals but not to others (You can do things to rats that would be unacceptable to do on dogs, for example.)

Who is flaunting their sexuality here? That seemed pretty out of the blue. Aggressively too?

"Our corruption dragnet"? LOL that is called legal system and it isn't yours. Again, I stress the point that many of the issues you seem to be fighting against are already solved as much as they can be at this point. Easiest example is that things such as domestic abuse isn't considered a "private affair" anymore and now it is illegal to beat or rape your wife.

Far too much ignorance and tolerance of abuse? Hmm... possibly a valid point. Maybe. I would have to do more research. But how is simply complaining about this type of thing going to help?

However, I am pretty damn sure that abuse, in almost every instance, is illegal. Being abused? Well do something about it... Kids help phone for child abuse, I'm sure there is a phone line for victims of domestic abuse... In fact there is a home for "battered women" somewhere down my street.

In short, wtf are you fighting for? Don't give me a bogus answer like "equality is our goal". Specific, measurable goals that you can say "We did it" when you've reached that goal.

You're right, human rights cannot be used to argue every ridiculous claim. So make a solid measurable claim and let's see if it is ridiculous or defend-able by human rights...

Everything else after that human rights comment just sounded like nonsense to me.

That "nonsense" is that Human rights is not all inclusive for a reason.
They were examples of obviously harmful things.
You cannot force people to participate in cult activities.



Ka-Tra

What I took out, and referred to as nonsense were the examples you put forth (which were ridiculous). Obviously we shouldn't condone obviously harmful things.... again what is your point?

Who's forcing you to participate in cult activities? What are you even referring to?

You're either trolling real hard right now or know that your arguments aren't holding up...

No response to the fact that laws are all about equality here in Canada but we still have raging SJW's?

What do you want changed other than laws for "social justice"? People's attitudes? Well I'm sorry but that is unrealistic and encroaching on people's freedom of thought. It's like telling people what to think.



Here's food for thought: Men and women are different (in many ways, not just body parts, but brain patterns differ, hormones, etc) and I've even heard of a few studies that show homosexual men have different brain pattern characteristics as opposed to men and women (like a 3rd class of typical brain patterns). I'm not saying men, women, or homosexual men (No difference between typical female brain and homosexual female brain) are smarter or more intelligent than one another, but they are different.
So why is equality so important if we truly are different in many ways? EDIT: also noticed you didn't answer any single one of my questions

This is part of DG1OA's post is pretty much where I stand on the issue as far as the SJW debate on gaming goes. I'd rather invite women and gaymers to come join the party than sterilize the industry of its sexuality and cross my finger that suddenly mass influx of females will magically become interested in gaming (And if the recent multitude of sexually toned down games like MKX are any indication, that theory isn't working).

I think the SJWs have good intentions, but their solutions are too shortsighted in a "quickfix" kind of way to fix the problem. You can't just remove the chain-mail bikinis and rescued princess tropes expecting the general female population to suddenly decide they want to be gamers. As if women were just too skittish to take their own place in genre without a sanitized red carpet rolled out for them first. They are far more strong willed than that.

In my time playing various MMOs I've found I make friends with female players rather easy. Time and time again I've seen the same story that really should never have been a surprise: female gamers like variety in their character choices the same as male gamers. Sometimes they like the play the sexualized babe the same way many male players will pick the dashing pretty boy. Sometimes they like the play the ugly, disfigured psycho the same way males do. Sometimes they like to play the opposite gender just so they can stare at a cute butt

Anyways I've been working on developing an Indie game recently and a close friend of mine who is a gamer is working on her IT degree. Come this summer when she has the free time she wants me to show her the development kit I've been using and share some of my knowledge/tricks with her. In teaching her and leaving her to go off develop projects in her own vision I feel I will have contributed far more to helping women in the game industry than most of the armchair champions of women's rights I see online.