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Dark_No0B
11/23/2007 09:17 AM (UTC)
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Update - Lucas: Final Smash/Charged Special Moves

Nice.

I'll definately be trying out Lucas first, among others.

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Black-Rose
11/23/2007 09:42 AM (UTC)
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I'm very surprised that Lucas' final smash wasn't PK Love or PK Rockin'. Perhaps Sakurai is saving one of the two for... oh, I don't know... Claus? ^-^

We need a new character.

P.S. My birthday is next Friday.
Here's hoping for an excellent update that day! ;o
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YingYeung
11/23/2007 12:52 PM (UTC)
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ANGEL Princess Peach Toadstool ‘‘ This is fun !’’ • Float: Peach can hover for a while with her Floating Dress. • Toad: Peach is a very quick character and whoever tries to confront her faces Toad and his spores attack unless Peach is unaware of combat. • Items: Slap Gloves, Parasol, Royal Crown, War Fan, Frying Pan, Tennis Racket, Golf Club, Beam Sword, Mr Saturn, Random Item, Turnips, Bob-Ombs and a very powerful Old Turnip. • White Magics: Peaches has various healing magics; -Therapy: Greatly heals an ally or herself. -Group Hug: Heals every allies and herself. -Peach Blossom: Summons twelve peaches healing for 5% each and dances, putting all landbound enemy characters to sleep and dealing 40%, 10% or 0%. • Psych Bomb: Peach summons a rain of bob-ombs on all her enemies, dealing major damage. King Bowser Koopa ‘‘ Wrrrrooaaarrr !!!’’ • Fire Breath: Bowser deals fire damage on close opponents. He can also spit fireballs from a distance. • Bowser Thrash: Bowser does the koopa klaw attack and flips high in the sky with his opponent first. • Whirling Fortress: Bowser spins in his shell, allowing his to flee from battle and deal minor defensive damage. • Bowser Stomp: Bowser leaps high in the air and stomps on his opponent, dealing serious damage. • Army of Koopa: Bowser has many minions under his service. Depending on where he is, he can summon some of them; -Anywhere: Goombas, Paragoombas, Koopas, Paratroopas and Piranha Plants. -Castles: Magikoopas, Dry Bones, Boo, Mecha Koopas and Boom Boom. -Plains: Chain Chomps, Flying Koopas, Pokey, Rex and Bullet Bills. -Forest: Lakitu, Wiggler, Bob-Ombs, Fire Plants and Halloween Fiends. -Underwater: Flying Fishes, Urchins, Bloopers (squids) and Sushis (sharks). -Caves: Bats, Buzzy Beetles, Lava Monsters, Moles and Venus Flytraps. • Koopa Clown Car: The Koopa Clown Car is Bowser’s personal ship who flies and attacks with a propeller and by dropping huge cannonballs. • Giga Bowser: Run !!! Bowser becomes a giant monster who can defeat five opponents. Six, however... Nitara ‘‘Hmmm... bloody tasty’’ • Blood Spit: Yuck... Can be done in the air too. • Unicorn Kick: Quick, fierce, acrobatic kick. • Wings: Used for flight. • Vampire: Weights nothing, is healed by blood, ethereal creature. • Stalker: Lurks unnoticed. Only magic can sense her because none can see her. • Witch: Manipulative Bonus. Prinplup ‘‘Plup?’’ • Empoleon: Prinplup evolves into Empoleon, the powerful Water/Steel Penguin Pokémon. Prinplup gains the steel type and measure 5,07’’when it evolves. • Torrent Ability: When Prinplup is highly damaged, its water attacks are stronger than usual. • Prinplup Moves: ANTOINE Sindel ‘‘For Edenia!’’ • Levitate: The Queen of Edenia can fly, a result of her transformation by Kahn. • Banshee Scream: Sindel’s scream can stun the opponent at close range. It can also destroy various elements such as rock, metal, glass, wood and even flesh. • Fireball: Sindel can spit one or even two quick blue fireballs. She can also spit them from the air. • Hair Whip: Sindel can use her hair as a whip to damage or grab and toss enemies. She can also do it from the air. • Edenian Knight: Sindel can fight hand-to-hand with devastating power and skill. She uses ‘heel to the gut’ and ‘sliding foot grab’ as signature moves. • Edenian Queen: If Sindel is in her homeland of Edenia, she has the control over an army of Edenian Knights. • Edenian General: Sindel travels with her General, Jade, who swore to protect her Queen with her life. • Scream Fatality: Sindel can rip the skin off her weakened foes by screaming at them. • Hair Fatality: Sindel wraps the foe with her horrible hair and then tear their flesh apart by tossing them away. All Hail the Queen of Evil. • Kwan Dao: Sindel has a vicious polearm called a Kwan Dao. She uses it with godly technique. She even made a fatality up with this sacred weapon. Rouge the Bat ‘‘I’ll take it from here’’ • Flight: As a bat, Rouge has wings and can fly with ease. • Gold Digger: Rouge uses her heels to dig in the ground and pull out items to use against opponents. • Detection Spyglass: Rouge has a gadget on her left eye which allows her to see hidden items across the stage. • Foot Spike: While airborne, Rouge does a spinning drill kick onto the floor below her. Kirby ‘‘Hiii’’ • Swallow: Kirby can swallow everything by puffing up. • Spit Up: Kirby can spit up as a star who deals damage. • Copy: Kirby can copy the signature move of someone and change style. • Airborne Fighter: Kirby can fly infinitely by puffing up King Dedede ‘‘I AM the King of Dream Land’’ • Swallow: King Dedede can swallow his opponents whole and then spit them with tremendous force. • Airborne Fighter: King Dedede can fly infinitely by puffing up and he also has the Super Dedede Jump who hits all those he jumps in, but also those he lands on. • Royal Hammer: As the self-proclaimed King of his homeland, Dedede is always seen wielding his royal hammer. • Mecha-Hammer: Dedede can charge up his hammer with fire. It takes time and deals slight damage to himself, but it packs quite a punch. • Carnivorous Belt: Dedede’s belly separates in two and forms huge teeth he uses to swallow opponents. • Army of Dream Land: Dedede has waddle dees, waddle doos and gordos under his service. He can also put out some random items. JULIEN Zelda ‘‘The Gods have spoken to me’’ • Triforce of Wisdom: The Triforce of Wisdom makes her the sage of sages; the sage of time. It grants her with powers of light and allows her to alter reality at will. She can fly and heal wounds. • Light Magic: When Zelda fights her limbs are blessed with holy light, dealing magical damage. Her Lightning Kicks are known to send opponents flying very far away, stopping time while it connects. She can also concentrate light energy and create a cloud of fire over her head. • Nayru’s Love: Zelda can summon the love of Nayru to protect herself while reflecting magics and damaging nearby foes with magical crystals. Zelda can also use it as a periodical invincibility, but that drains Zelda’s mana. • Farore’s Wind: Zelda summons the green wind of Farore and is wrapped by magical ribbons who teleports her over great distances. Zelda reappears in a burst of flames. If she channels her energy she can go anywhere she previously went using the power of her mind. • Din’s Fire: Zelda control the orb of Din over great distances very quickly with her mind and then unleashes its blast of fire. • Transform: Zelda become invulnerable for a moment, wrapped by purple energy and reappears as Sheik. She can switch back and it usually takes less time. • Sheikah Warrior: As a Sheikah, Zelda’s skin, hair and eyes color change and she fights with the secret art of the Sheikahs. Speed, stealth and subterfuge are in their nature. She also uses a chain-whip and needles as projectiles in combat. She can cling to walls and hide in the shadows. • Vanish: As a Sheikah, Zelda has the power to disappear in a huge blast of flames. • Light Arrows: Zelda has the power to call the sacred arrows of light. These projectiles travel at light speed and send their foes blasting off again. She can use them in either form. Catwoman ‘‘Life is a bitch now so am I.’’ • Nine Lives: Catwoman has nine lives. Well, she has eight now because she lost her first life and then became Catwoman. • Peak Athlete: As Catwoman and since Selina Kyle’s rebirth, she has the reflexes, speed and agility of a cat, she always lands on her feet and she is an extremely-skilled hand-to-hand combatant. • Expert Burglar: Catwoman will always be attracted to jewels (hahaha). She is a master at tracking and being stealthy and is an expert burglar. • Arsenal: Catwoman wields an assortment of bullwhips and cat o’ nine tails, razor-sharp retractable claws and steel spring-loaded climbing pitons. She also hides a taser. Mileena ‘‘You wish...’’ • Grotesque Clone: Mileena is a creation of sorcery. She retained all skills from both her races; she has the immortality and keen senses of the demi-gods known as the Edenians, and she has the natural brute force, thirst for combat and razor-sharp teeth. • Psychic Bond: Mileena is a clone of Kitana, and she has all her memories and fighting experience. She can also read Kitana’s thoughts at any moment.. • Elite Assassin: Mileena and Kitana both killed for Kahn for thousands of years. They are expert assassins and can kill a man in more than a hundred ways with no weapon at hand. • Energy Sais: Mileena can charge up her sais with energy and toss them at foes, dealing rapid and solid damage. • Kick from Above: Mileena teleports into the ground and kicks you from the sky. She can also use it to escape places. • Rolling Thunder: Another of Mileena’s signature moves is having her rolling at high speed on the ground and tackling enemies. • Cannibal: Mileena enjoys to eat flesh of anything, even her own kind, so beware. Elektra ‘‘I am already dead...’’ • Undead Ninja: Elektra is already dead, and she is said to have to power of appearing behind you like a specter. • Weapon Mastery: Having been trained since early childhood in several martial arts, she is now a deadly opponent to fight with. She uses sais and a katana as trademark weapons. • Bounty Hunter: Just like Mr and Mrs Smith, Elektra was once an expert bounty hunter. She knows how to use any weapons, is an expert with explosives, at tracking and killing • Meditation: By meditating, Elektra can heal wounds and foresee events.
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YingYeung
11/23/2007 12:54 PM (UTC)
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EDIT: For some reason, my post didn't appear totally, so here's the rest.

Let's see what we have this far;

23 characters revealed
19 final smashes revealed
A LOT of characters missing

Mario; Mario Finale
Pikachu; Volt Tackle
Bowser; Giga Bowser
Peach; Peach Blossom
Pit; Palutena's Army
Ike; Great Aether
Link; Triforce Slash
Kirby; Cook Kirby
Samus; Zero Laser
Zero Samus; Power Suit Armor
Red; Triple Finish
Donkey; Konga Beat
Diddy; Rocketbarrel Barrage
Sonic; Super Sonic
Lucas; PK Starstorm
Metaknight; Galaxia Darkness
Yoshi; Super Dragon
Ice Climbers; Iceberg
Fox; Landmaster

and those we don't know yet

Zelda
Snake
Wario
Dedede
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About Me
11/23/2007 02:47 PM (UTC)
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Looks like Lucas' Final Smash will be useful in small stages.
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YingYeung
11/23/2007 04:07 PM (UTC)
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I've been playing Super Smash Bros Melee since it got out. I still play a lot on a daily basis. I have pretty insane scores and I know every characters by heart. I have seen everything the game can offer and this morning, I made a tier list based on everything I know about the characters. The list is pretty accurate, although characters in the same tier category are pretty equal. Here it is;

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TOP TIER
Peach: No weakness, High damage given, Projectile, Grab.
Marth: Range, Speed, Counter, Good aerials, Great Sender.
Sheik: Speed, Manoeuvrability, All around, Projectiles.
Falco: Power, Speed, Recovery, Reflector, Spike.
Fox: Recovery, High damage given, Speed, Easy Control, Juggler.

HIGH TIER
Mario: All around, Quick aerials, No weakness, Spike.
Dr Mario: All around, Quick aerials, No weakness, Power.
Samus: Projectiles, Survivability, Special Moves, Juggler.
Zelda: Efficient killer, Power, Great defense, Reflector, Survivability.
Pikachu: Speed, Manoeuvrability, Power, Great defense, Good aerials.

MID TIER
Link: Projectiles, Range, High damage given, Grab, Great defense.
Captain Falcon: Manoeuvrability, Power, Speed, Survivability.
Ganondorf: Power, Survivability, High damage, Good aerials.
Jigglypuff: Special moves, Power, Manoeuvrability, Good aerials.
Ness: Grab, Projectiles, Juggler, All around, Great defense.
Luigi: All around, No weakness, Good aerials, Special moves.

LOW TIER
Roy: High damage given, Power, Range, Counter, Juggler.
Yoshi: Range, Power, Survivability, Projectile, Unpredictability.
Ice Climbers: Power, Great defense, Baiting, Double projectile.
Donkey Kong: Range, Power, Survivability, Good aerials.
Young Link: Manoeuvrability, Projectiles, Versatility, Juggler.

LAST TIER
Pichu: Recovery, Good aerials, Speed, Evasiveness.
Kirby: Versatility, Good aerials, Good defense, Special moves.
Mewtwo: Grab, High damage given, Unpredictability, Special moves.
Mr Game & Watch: Good sender, Unpredictability, Special moves.
Bowser: High damage given, Power, Survivability, Great defense.

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What annoys me is that even last tiers could win against top tiers if played right. I guess it means Smash Melee isn't a broken game. Only the players are broken. Lolz.
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Kamionero
11/23/2007 11:29 PM (UTC)
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YingYeung Wrote:
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What annoys me is that even last tiers could win against top tiers if played right. I guess it means Smash Melee isn't a broken game. Only the players are broken. Lolz.

quite so!
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MyQueenSindel
11/24/2007 12:52 AM (UTC)
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YingYeung Wrote:
I've been playing Super Smash Bros Melee since it got out. I still play a lot on a daily basis. I have pretty insane scores and I know every characters by heart. I have seen everything the game can offer and this morning, I made a tier list based on everything I know about the characters. The list is pretty accurate, although characters in the same tier category are pretty equal. Here it is;

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TOP TIER
Peach: No weakness, High damage given, Projectile, Grab.
Marth: Range, Speed, Counter, Good aerials, Great Sender.
Sheik: Speed, Manoeuvrability, All around, Projectiles.
Falco: Power, Speed, Recovery, Reflector, Spike.
Fox: Recovery, High damage given, Speed, Easy Control, Juggler.

HIGH TIER
Mario: All around, Quick aerials, No weakness, Spike.
Dr Mario: All around, Quick aerials, No weakness, Power.
Samus: Projectiles, Survivability, Special Moves, Juggler.
Zelda: Efficient killer, Power, Great defense, Reflector, Survivability.
Pikachu: Speed, Manoeuvrability, Power, Great defense, Good aerials.

MID TIER
Link: Projectiles, Range, High damage given, Grab, Great defense.
Captain Falcon: Manoeuvrability, Power, Speed, Survivability.
Ganondorf: Power, Survivability, High damage, Good aerials.
Jigglypuff: Special moves, Power, Manoeuvrability, Good aerials.
Ness: Projectiles, Juggler, All around, Great defense.
Luigi: All around, No weakness, Good aerials, Special moves.

LOW TIER
Roy: High damage given, Power, Range, Counter, Juggler.
Yoshi: Range, Power, Survivability, Projectile, Unpredictability.
Ice Clibers: Power, Great defense, Baiting, Double projectile.
Donkey Kong: Range, Power, Survivability, Good aerials.
Young Link: Manoeuvrability, Projectiles, Versatility, Juggler.

LAST TIER
Pichu: Recovery, Good aerials, Speed, Evasiveness.
Kirby: Versatility, Good aerials, Good defense, Special moves.
Mewtwo: Grab, High damage given, Unpredictability, Special moves.
Mr Game & Watch: Good sender, Unpredictability, Special moves.
Bowser: High damage given, Power, Survivability, Great defense.

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What annoys me is that even last tiers could win against top tiers if played right. I guess it means Smash Melee isn't a broken game. Only the players are broken. Lolz.


hmmmmmmm... I see, Peach is the best character.... that's not very good. At least Kirby is a difficult character. You have an amazing talent when it comes to making tier lists, I have never seen a group of characters so accuratly placed in order from best to worst, I applaud you, you have some amazing talent.
roy low tier?WTF its probably just because you dont know how to use him right.i use him INSANELY!nobody can beat me when i pick him(well my friends and my brother)but i do agree with the rest of the list
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YingYeung
11/24/2007 05:06 AM (UTC)
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Roy is very good, then again all characters are. However he doesnt move fast enough on the screen so it makes it hard to keep a good defense. Every of his moves hit hard but only few of them are good senders. Plus when his moves sends, they mostly send upwards or downwards so it makes it hard for him to kill most opponents. His forward+B moves are better than Marth's and his upward+B move is a good sender but most of his moves let him vulnerable after they connect, or not connect. He's great for beginners since he gives a lot of damage. His counter is awesome, one of the best moves in the game, but it's almost useless in melees. On a duel Roy can be pretty powerful but he has so many weaknesses he can't be ranked higher I'm sorry.

His fighting stance is pretty neat too.
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2L84ME
11/24/2007 08:15 AM (UTC)
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YingYeung, that tier list is incorrect. Or at most, it's an older version.
Here's the current (2007) tier list for SSBM:

Top Tier:

Fox
Falco

High Tier:
Sheik
Marth
Peach

Middle Tier:

Captain Falcon
Ice Climbers
Samus
Doctor Mario
Jigglypuff
Mario
Ganondorf

Low Tier:

Link
Luigi
Donkey Kong
Roy
Young Link
Pikachu

Bottom Tier:

Yoshi
Zelda
Mr. Game and Watch
Ness
Bowser
Kirby
Pichu
Mewtwo

As you can see, there are a lot of difference between the two different versions. But this version is definitely more accurate. You don't get more broken than Fox sad. Falco's up there as well, since he has a killer spike. If it wasn't for that, I reckon' he'd be in the "High Tier" category instead. Pillaring is just too good xD!

P.S.
Black-Rose with a new account wink, I grew tired of the name.
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YingYeung
11/24/2007 03:00 PM (UTC)
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2L84ME Wrote:
YingYeung, that tier list is incorrect. Or at most, it's an older version.
Here's the current (2007) tier list for SSBM:

Top Tier:

Fox
Falco

High Tier:
Sheik
Marth
Peach

Middle Tier:

Captain Falcon
Ice Climbers
Samus
Doctor Mario
Jigglypuff
Mario
Ganondorf

Low Tier:

Link
Luigi
Donkey Kong
Roy
Young Link
Pikachu

Bottom Tier:

Yoshi
Zelda
Mr. Game and Watch
Ness
Bowser
Kirby
Pichu
Mewtwo

As you can see, there are a lot of difference between the two different versions. But this version is definitely more accurate. You don't get more broken than Fox sad. Falco's up there as well, since he has a killer spike. If it wasn't for that, I reckon' he'd be in the "High Tier" category instead. Pillaring is just too good xD!

P.S.

Black-Rose with a new account wink, I grew tired of the name.


I don't agree with that list.
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2L84ME
11/24/2007 09:11 PM (UTC)
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Well it's the official one, taken off of Smashboards.com. It's made up of tons of members and pros, and not just constructed off of one guy's opinions.

I mean, Mario... high tier? Please.
He has one of the worst recoveries in the game!
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YingYeung
11/25/2007 05:02 AM (UTC)
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Still I don't agree with it. Whatever anyone says. Mario's recovery is similar to Marth's, who is on the hight tier list, when you know how to use the cape. And anyway, I believe Mario is high because he can kill in less than five hits in most stages if you use him right.
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Dark_No0B
11/26/2007 07:07 AM (UTC)
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Update - Controls

Meh...
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YingYeung
11/26/2007 12:10 PM (UTC)
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Boring.
meh.ive DESPISED the updates these past 2 weeks.
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About Me

I hate this place.

11/26/2007 01:14 PM (UTC)
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What the hell man... What the hell....
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Toxik
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About Me
11/26/2007 08:19 PM (UTC)
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Boo hoo...
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2L84ME
11/27/2007 12:00 AM (UTC)
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YingYeung Wrote:
Still I don't agree with it. Whatever anyone says. Mario's recovery is similar to Marth's, who is on the hight tier list, when you know how to use the cape. And anyway, I believe Mario is high because he can kill in less than five hits in most stages if you use him right.


5 attacks if you know what you're doing? You forgot to mention that works only when your opponent doesn't know what they're doing either. If you're playing with the pro community, they'll find a way around Mario's combos. For instance, his forward air can meteor an opponent downward. If you were fighting against someone who knew what they were doing, they would just meteor cancel! Plus, there is always DI.

As for Mario's recovery, even with the cape and the rising tornado, Marth's is still a little better (at least vertically). Mario is good for getting horizontal distance, but he doesn't gain much height, and that's what kills him.

His cape is mean ><
Try getting back to the stage with Fox, while being edgeguarded against a cape user Mario. =/

Anyway, this update was decent.
It gave us some info that we had no clue about-- which is good!

I especially like the fact that we can turn off the up tap to jump function. That REALLY messed up my uair shuffles.

(sorry if you guys have no idea what I'm talking about, I get REALLY into this stuff)
can someone answer my question:i heard that they changed the release date to december again...is this true?
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2L84ME
11/27/2007 01:47 AM (UTC)
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No.
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khanswarrior15
11/27/2007 01:53 AM (UTC)
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2L84ME Wrote:
No.
well gamepro said it was coming out in December 3rd.
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2L84ME
11/27/2007 03:06 AM (UTC)
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Gamepro has no idea what they're talking about.

Anything that isn't up on the official website (about Smash Bros.) is most likely not true. Right now the release date says February 10th, and unless if it's delayed again, that's going to be when it's released.
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