As aware Americans, my husband and I exchanged glances, and then continued to get comfortable.

F**k her. It's sickening to see America like this today, it's BS. And Bush has given lip service to protecting the civil liberties of Middle Easterners and South Asians, but that is all it is. From the government's detainment of thousands of Arab men without charges or access to a lawyer, to making people hailing from certain countries who are already legal residents get 'registered', Bush has not practiced what he's been preaching.

And who can forget in one of his campaign adds when the narrarator said Bush had been protecting America against terrorism, it showed a menacing close up of an obviously Middle Eastern man. It's such crap.

I am part Middle Eastern myself, and my father really looks it much more than I do. The way I have seen my dad get funny looks before..boils my blood. It is like we are re-living McCarthyism, it is a nightmare.

I was talking with someone about this earlier. I think that it was a test run to see how the security is now after the events of 9/11. The whole story got me. But the thing about the McDonalds bag being full and then him going into the bathroom and returning to be almost empty got me the most. And then all the men taking turns to go into the bathroom. All boarding at different times, but then nodding and ackknowledging each other. Sent chills down my spine. Then the clincher was when the one guy comes out of the bathroom that the guy took the McDonalds bag into, and makes the motion across his throat and says 'NO' as if to call it off.

Could be a very big coincidence, but I personally highly doubt it.

This was an excellent read thanks for this info, im getting really sick of all this al-quieda shit i really am. im looking foward to joining to Army in 2 - 3 years to take some of these sons of bitches out. now im not saying america is a great place but this terrorism really needs to stop. man i bet that lady was scarred shitless its cool how she kept her cool though, i know it was me on that plane i would have over reacted and probably would have starting a fight but them....

Wow, that would be scary. They probably all worked for the government and are testing us.

There is a fine line between danger and paranoia, and I do feel after reading that, that plane was in danger. Now wheter or not the country is in danger is a different story. After reading that I do feel that the people who protect us are doing an amazing job. They had the plane scouted out, had the entire staff aware of the situation, had men on the ground ready for action, and did their absolute best to keep things calm. But we all know what's next; and that's a new wave of panic. Infact this one may last all the way until January, seeing as how it's election season.

wikedklown, as much as I dispise terrorism, I also dispise the policies that helped create it. From the U.S.'s support of repressive Arab regimes, to their biased support in favor of Israel, they have continuosly fanned the flames of terrorism in the region for over 30 years.

Did you know more money goes into military aide for Israel every year than the entire African continent? We'd rather spend more arming an apartheid state like Israel, than helping to alleviate the AIDS epidemic or famine in Africa. The hypocricy of our foreign policy is astounding.

TheTinMan2005 Wrote: As aware Americans, my husband and I exchanged glances, and then continued to get comfortable. F**k her. It's sickening to see America like this today, it's BS. And Bush has given lip service to protecting the civil liberties of Middle Easterners and South Asians, but that is all it is. From the government's detainment of thousands of Arab men without charges or access to a lawyer, to making people hailing from certain countries who are already legal residents get 'registered', Bush has not practiced what he's been preaching. And who can forget in one of his campaign adds when the narrarator said Bush had been protecting America against terrorism, it showed a menacing close up of an obviously Middle Eastern man. It's such crap. I am part Middle Eastern myself, and my father really looks it much more than I do. The way I have seen my dad get funny looks before..boils my blood. It is like we are re-living McCarthyism, it is a nightmare.

If you got a problem with Bush...then your not a complete moron...but don't say fuck her because she thinks of herself as informed. That's just immature and weakens your argument.

Tinman i hear what your saying and everything but this plane was in fact in a huge amount of danger. i can see if it was like 1 or 2 middle eastern men on that plane and this lady was over reacting but it was over a dozen of them coming on the plane in different groups then once the plane was airborne they all acted like they came in together. something was going to happen on that plane and these airports need to up their security.

Listen, the US is full of hypocracy. But don't persecute American people for their government's evil.

TheTinMan2005 Wrote: wikedklown, as much as I dispise terrorism, I also dispise the policies that helped create it. From the U.S.'s support of repressive Arab regimes, to their biased support in favor of Israel, they have continuosly fanned the flames of terrorism in the region for over 30 years. Did you know more money goes into military aide for Israel every year than the entire African continent? We'd rather spend more arming an apartheid state like Israel, than helping to alleviate the AIDS epidemic or famine in Africa. The hypocricy of our foreign policy is astounding.

After reading that, I feel a bit nervous to fly. I'll just have to be as aware as I can when I do.

Perhaps I shouldn't have said fuck her, but what I quoted from her about 'aware Americans', well it just came across as Xenophobic. You must understand this is somewhat personal for me with my lineage, and stirs up some very negative emotions.

I like your signature by the way. Bush cannot win a second term. He is planning on using an aggressive policy with Iran as well, which is even being advised against by the Council on Foreign Relations, perhaps the most influential institute in the field of foreign policy.

His Patriot Act is a threat to civil liberities, and above all else, he holds back stem cell research. Millions of people could be cured, it might be the best medical oppurtunity ever, and he wants to squander this in the name of his petty, goofy-ass religious beliefs. Like Ron Reagan said, its time to make a choice between genuine human compassion and mere ideology.

As governor he did nothing but stump for far right causes like anti abortion(the governorship in Texas is a ceremonial post) and fan the flames of hardcore conservatism in my beloved home state. He is an underqualified, arrogant idealogue and I hope he meets his defeat in November.

TheTinMan2005 Wrote: As aware Americans, my husband and I exchanged glances, and then continued to get comfortable. F**k her. It's sickening to see America like this today, it's BS. And Bush has given lip service to protecting the civil liberties of Middle Easterners and South Asians, but that is all it is. From the government's detainment of thousands of Arab men without charges or access to a lawyer, to making people hailing from certain countries who are already legal residents get 'registered', Bush has not practiced what he's been preaching. And who can forget in one of his campaign adds when the narrarator said Bush had been protecting America against terrorism, it showed a menacing close up of an obviously Middle Eastern man. It's such crap. I am part Middle Eastern myself, and my father really looks it much more than I do. The way I have seen my dad get funny looks before..boils my blood. It is like we are re-living McCarthyism, it is a nightmare.

I do feel for you, but profiling will always be around. It was done to the Japanese during WWII, it was done to the Afracan Americans during the the Civil Rights movements, and now it's happening to the people of the Middle East. It happens all over the world, and as screwed up as it is, it is one of the most effective methods. What do you expect, people are afraid and they need a face to put the fear.

Well, it doesnt make it right and it shows how primitive most people really still are, even after all of our so-called social progress over the last 30 years. I weap for my country. I am glad that I do not have a Middle eastern name, or have strong features(i really look more caucasian), but you know, it still bothers me. Especially with my dad looking more Mid eastern then me and I have seen hid get odd glances before(but not until after 9/11).

It is frustrating.

TheTinMan2005 Wrote: Well, it doesnt make it right and it shows how primitive most people really still are, even after all of our so-called social progress over the last 30 years. I weap for my country. I am glad that I do not have a Middle eastern name, or have strong features(i really look more caucasian), but you know, it still bothers me. Especially with my dad looking more Mid eastern then me and I have seen hid get odd glances before(but not until after 9/11). It is frustrating.

At least you are honest. I know if it was rogue terrorists from Spain that had attacked the US, and not from the Middle East, then I'd be angry about being eyed 24/7 (me being of Spanish decent). I got a hint of how ugly it can be, because I have a few Middle Eastern friends from school. It does suck, and I do understand what you're going through; but there are other people out there that aren't so closed minded.

skeletonofsociety Wrote: TheTinMan2005 Wrote: Well, it doesnt make it right and it shows how primitive most people really still are, even after all of our so-called social progress over the last 30 years. I weap for my country. I am glad that I do not have a Middle eastern name, or have strong features(i really look more caucasian), but you know, it still bothers me. Especially with my dad looking more Mid eastern then me and I have seen hid get odd glances before(but not until after 9/11). It is frustrating. At least you are honest. I know if it was rogue terrorists from Spain that had attacked the US, and not from the Middle East, then I'd be angry about being eyed 24/7 (me being of Spanish decent). I got a hint of how ugly it can be, because I have a few Middle Eastern friends from school. It does suck, and I do understand what you're going through; but there are other people out there that aren't so closed minded.

Thanks man. Your Spanish, really? As in Spain or Hispanic like from Latin American? Just wondering. Btw, I speak Spanish.

There's this girl at my school i have a crush on, she is Spanish, man she is so hot. If there are alot more like her in Spain, who knows one day I might chill in Madrid for a summer you know, drink some margaritas and bang some señoritas as the saying goes.

TheTinMan2005 Wrote: skeletonofsociety Wrote: TheTinMan2005 Wrote: Well, it doesnt make it right and it shows how primitive most people really still are, even after all of our so-called social progress over the last 30 years. I weap for my country. I am glad that I do not have a Middle eastern name, or have strong features(i really look more caucasian), but you know, it still bothers me. Especially with my dad looking more Mid eastern then me and I have seen hid get odd glances before(but not until after 9/11). It is frustrating. At least you are honest. I know if it was rogue terrorists from Spain that had attacked the US, and not from the Middle East, then I'd be angry about being eyed 24/7 (me being of Spanish decent). I got a hint of how ugly it can be, because I have a few Middle Eastern friends from school. It does suck, and I do understand what you're going through; but there are other people out there that aren't so closed minded. Thanks man. Your Spanish, really? As in Spain or Hispanic like from Latin American? Just wondering. Btw, I speak Spanish. There's this girl at my school i have a crush on, she is Spanish, man she is so hot. If there are alot more like her in Spain, who knows one day I might chill in Madrid for a summer you know, drink some margaritas and bang some señoritas as the saying goes.

My parents were born in Gallicia, Spain. I was born here. I go there every so often. I love it there; never have to deal with a lot of the bullshit. But I would never live there, just visit for the summer.

Oh really? Why not?

Just interested..Spain is in Europe, so I would think it's pretty nice and non-third worldish but maybe I'm wrong. My Spanish teacher lived there for 3 years, and vacations there every year, and when she retires she plans to move there permanately and become a citizen and everything.

As annoyed as I get about some of the people here, this is my home. Plus after a while the whole "American snobs" talk happens, and every summer trip ends up in a fight. And to top it off the drug scene out there is getting out of hand.

It's not all bad, but there are "those nights".

Oh an anti-drug person. I don't like drugs either, just herbs. J/p lol

Yeah, Europe is pretty anti-American, and I can understand why they dislike our government, but some of the stuff I've heard about how they've treated American tourists because of it angers me. It isn't right.

TheTinMan2005 Wrote: Oh an anti-drug person. I don't like drugs either, just herbs. J/p lol Yeah, Europe is pretty anti-American, and I can understand why they dislike our government, but some of the stuff I've heard about how they've treated American tourists because of it angers me. It isn't right.

Europeans can be a buch of pricks when they want to... TRUST ME
Those Europeans are the parallel of the Americans who say "Kill all those Arabs!"

I have my own grudge against a part of the US government, after all, it was partly responsabile for the worst part of SouthAmerican history, YET, I genuenely like most americans, I have been living in the US since 2000, and most americans are VERY nice and very approachable. The problem is that people can't make the difference between the People and the Government.

Yeah i know, like people here often have trouble realizing not all mid easterners are terrorists. However a teacher of mine who's been to Europe a lot says she noticed people in Paris were actually nicer then in any other place, who'd have thunk it?

And I apologize for American BS in South America, like for example putting Pinochet in power. And I hope that the CIA isn't involved in the ongoing civil unrest there(a girl who goes to my school is Argentinian and I remember she was saying things are kinda chaotic there now).

But, it probably is unfortunately. We are still very much involved in that type of stuff there, we've tried to push Hugo Chavez out of power in Venezuela about 3 different times now.

TheTinMan2005 Wrote: Yeah i know, like people here often have trouble realizing not all mid easterners are terrorists. However a teacher of mine who's been to Europe a lot says she noticed people in Paris were actually nicer then in any other place, who'd have thunk it? And I apologize for American BS in South America, like for example putting Pinochet in power. And I hope that the CIA isn't involved in the ongoing civil unrest there(a girl who goes to my school is Argentinian and I remember she was saying things are kinda chaotic there now). .

Dont apologize, it's not like it's the fault of anyone here..


HAHAH!!! my sister went to paris and she said they where the WORST! although they had the best bakeries!! hehehe

Wow... thanks blade for showing us this... I went ahead and read the whole thing...

I must say I don’t fly ever!! Never have never will...

My big problem w/ those airlines is y the fuck don’t they recheck every 1?? Some 1 can easily bring a bomb or weapon of any sort, on to a plane... They really need to recheck every 1, recheck every item like bags and stuff and ask tons of questions...I for 1 would be freaked out if I were not rechecked..

I guess they're just retaliating for what America had done to their country. Edited: