Digital_Assassin Wrote: ElDeR_GoD Wrote: O.K. I will tell you (Spoilers) If you don't want to be spoiled then don't go down anymore, if you do, go down to the very bottom of my message. (Spoilers) The ending shows harry osbourne and he finds out that peter is spider-man and he hears his fathers voice, he walks over to his fathers mask collection and sees the goblin mask, along with the complete set of armor and the flying-thing. Harry is probably going to be a sub-boss in spider-man 3 as the hob-goblin. Sorry if I spoiled the movie for you but you asked.... o man that sucks i wanted venom for sp3!!

See...I told you. Now you are disappointed, and haven't even seen the movie yet!! meh...

malebolgia Wrote: Digital_Assassin Wrote: ElDeR_GoD Wrote: O.K. I will tell you (Spoilers) If you don't want to be spoiled then don't go down anymore, if you do, go down to the very bottom of my message. (Spoilers) The ending shows harry osbourne and he finds out that peter is spider-man and he hears his fathers voice, he walks over to his fathers mask collection and sees the goblin mask, along with the complete set of armor and the flying-thing. Harry is probably going to be a sub-boss in spider-man 3 as the hob-goblin. Sorry if I spoiled the movie for you but you asked.... o man that sucks i wanted venom for sp3!! See...I told you. Now you are disappointed, and haven't even seen the movie yet!! meh...

lol no im just dissapointed that venom wont be in 3 ...ill still enjoy the movie... sooo uh..could u tell me how doc oct died/lost and wat happen to peter parker n mary jane at the end?

ElDeR_GoD Wrote: O.K. I will tell you (Spoilers) If you don't want to be spoiled then don't go down anymore, if you do, go down to the very bottom of my message. (Spoilers) The ending shows harry osbourne and he finds out that peter is spider-man and he hears his fathers voice, he walks over to his fathers mask collection and sees the goblin mask, along with the complete set of armor and the flying-thing. Harry is probably going to be a sub-boss in spider-man 3 as the hob-goblin. Sorry if I spoiled the movie for you but you asked....

Why would he become the hob-goblin? I thought that the hob-goblin was a different guy...

(Spoilers) Mary-jane also finds out that peter is spider-man but she goes with him and at the end she say's, "go getem tiger" then he go's after the bad guys, doc ock tries to save spider-man and pushes him out of the way, then he goes down into the ocean with his dangerous machine and it explodes.

Sub-Zero_7th Wrote: Why would he become the hob-goblin? I thought that the hob-goblin was a different guy...

Harry Osbourne does become the Hobgoblin in the comics.

Harry Osbourne becomes the HOB-Goblin? I dont think he does. He becomes the second green-goblin but not the Hob-Goblin.

correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Harry Osbourne become the new Green Goblin in the comics? The Hobgoblin alias has been assumed by many people like Ned Leeds *common thief guy* but I don't think Harry Osborne has ever been him...

anywaze, it could still happen in the movie (and would make sense having Harry adapt his father's armor/glider to avoid confusion of the Green Goblin returning), as it doesn't strictly follow the comics

oh, BTW I heard *SPOILER!* that the next villain for SM3 is actually the Lizard aka Dr. Curt Connors (but who knows, SM3 isn't going to come out for a while, and anything could change during that time)

one moooore thing... if you want to see Venom, or Carnage for that matter, his story will be incredibly botched (at least if it is going to stay true to the comics) remember in the comics, there was the whole Secret War thing and Spidey gets the black suit then realizes its a symbiote alien thingy, then ditches it for a PO'd Eddie Brock to find... symbiote hates Spiderman, Eddie hates Peter Parker, together they create Venom... although I want to see Venom, I doubt we will anytime soon, and I doubt the story will be anything like the comics

malebolgia Wrote: Sub-Zero_7th Wrote: Why would he become the hob-goblin? I thought that the hob-goblin was a different guy... Harry Osbourne does become the Hobgoblin in the comics.

Umm no he doesn't. Harry becomes the second Green Goblin in the comics. He goes a little nuts after his father dies, finds the secret lab, and then carries on the tourch(just as they have set up in the film. The Hobgoblin was a guy who happened to find the plans and costume of the Green Goblin, and tweeked them. If fact the true identity of the Hobgoblin has never been revealed, there have been several people who where framed as the Hobgoblin though. And as for Demo-Goblin, I gotta check in with my friend on that one, he was obssed with Demo-Goblin.

Digital_Assassin Wrote: ElDeR_GoD Wrote: O.K. I will tell you (Spoilers) If you don't want to be spoiled then don't go down anymore, if you do, go down to the very bottom of my message. (Spoilers) The ending shows harry osbourne and he finds out that peter is spider-man and he hears his fathers voice, he walks over to his fathers mask collection and sees the goblin mask, along with the complete set of armor and the flying-thing. Harry is probably going to be a sub-boss in spider-man 3 as the hob-goblin. Sorry if I spoiled the movie for you but you asked.... o man that sucks i wanted venom for sp3!!

I haven't seen the movie yet myself, but I read somewhere online, don't remember which site, or how credible it was, but it was a hollywood/movie news site. And they where repoting that the movie studio wants it to be Venom and Carnage for the 3rd movie. Maybe they'll have Hob-Goblin as as sub boss like some one mentioned earlier. They've alread said who they had in mind to play Carnage i forget who though, and they where also reporting that they where trying to decide between The Rock, or Vin Desiel to play Venom.

Jaybe2K4 Wrote: oh, BTW I heard *SPOILER!* that the next villain for SM3 is actually the Lizard aka Dr. Curt Connors (but who knows, SM3 isn't going to come out for a while, and anything could change during that time) one moooore thing... if you want to see Venom, or Carnage for that matter, his story will be incredibly botched (at least if it is going to stay true to the comics) remember in the comics, there was the whole Secret War thing and Spidey gets the black suit then realizes its a symbiote alien thingy, then ditches it for a PO'd Eddie Brock to find... symbiote hates Spiderman, Eddie hates Peter Parker, together they create Venom... although I want to see Venom, I doubt we will anytime soon, and I doubt the story will be anything like the comics

Yeah the Lizard would make sense for the next one. As for Venom, I'm with you on that one. Infact the Secret Wars would have to be a whole movie series on it's own. They could do what they did on the Fox cartoon with the satalite crash (and include JJ's son), but nothing beats the real way.

**Spoilers**

Personally I was a bit peeved at the fact that they killed of Doc Oc already. I would have loved for there to be a Sinister Six flick as possibly the 5th or 6th flick, but I doubt they'd put the time into it. Plus with no OC, they'd have to tamper with the SS line-up.

**Spoiler End**


Anyway as far as a symbiote series goes, the flicks would have to be bumped up to an R rating with with the kind of body count Venom and Carnage left behind. Plus there has been talk that Raimi doesn't like the Venom charecter that much. Also the fact that Eddie Brock has only had his name partially mentioned in the first movie, chances are they probably won't do it due to time.

Finally my thoughts on Spider-man 2 can be summed up in two words: It owned!!!! Every little detail that I didn't like about the first one they fixed, and improved on. Better looking villian, inability to shoot webbing( since he isn't working with the cartriges), Dr. Connors only had one arm, and several others that I can't think of right now. SP2 diffinatly goes down as the best superhero movie I've ever seen, toppling the first two Batmans and the first Superman.

kabal20 Wrote: They've alread said who they had in mind to play Carnage i forget who though, and they where also reporting that they where trying to decide between The Rock, or Vin Desiel to play Venom.

Wow, every time I think I'm done with this thread, something always seems to bring me back. I attended an anime Convention back on June 18th, and there was a spokesperson from Marvel there conducting a Q&A. When asked if Venom or Carnage were planned on so far for the flicks he said "So far, no". When someone brought up the rumors of Vin Diesel or anyone for that matter was planned to play Venom/ Eddie Brock he laughed, but asured us that it was a BS rumor. Then someone asked about Brock Lesner about being Eddie Brock, and although he liked the idea he said there havn't been any talks with anyone for the roles of Eddie Brock or Cletus Cassidy. He did say that he would like to see The Scorpion charecter to appear in the films, but that's just him.

I just saw the Spiderman 2 movie. Too Frikin amazing!

But anyway, I said it would be awesome to see Venom as the enemy but my friends say that he wouldn't be that great(storywise) in the next movie and says Harry Osbourne as the Green Goblin would be better. Although, Venom could team up with Spiderman and team up with Venom to get rid of Carnage. It did happen in a 15 part long story back in the old comics. I think that story would make a great Spider-Man Movie 3!

I hope the next badguy/s for Spiderman 3 will be Harry Osbourne AND/or the Lizard. I don't see why everyone likes Venom.

I like Venom(and Cranage) because he looks awesome. Although i barely know anything about him except that Spiderman used the symbiote as his Spidey suit for a while but it started to control him and he (Somehow) gets rid of it and it control's Peter Parker's bully(forgot his name) and then becomes a bad guy but later in the Venom story, he teams up with Spider-Man to get rid of Carnage

Just got back from the theatre...

Spiderman 2 = God Tier. Absolutely amazing. The story was quiet, suttle and methodical in development much like the old TV shows. Yet very well developed aside from a few things that just seamed to drop off and have no real wrap up - the girl in his apartment, for instance. But whatever.

As a whole, though, very nice and all angles served their purpose. It was kinda like a chick flick, too, but with Spidey and a lot of baddass, "you just got f$&ked up!" and "holy sh!7!" moments.

Also, the movie seamed "pure," if that makes sense. I left feeling good on the inside as well as entertained.

Yah, Ven and Carn would be one hellishious ride, but as others have said it would be kinda eh. I have no problem with the Green Goblin, he's a mainstay in the Spidey universe as it is, anyways. What about Kingpin, though 0_0? Lizardman would be tight, especially if Goblin got into it with him .

Just a random thought; not trying to sound ghey, but could you imagine having sex with Spidey 0_0? I mean, WTF, that shit would be off the hook for MJ!

HOLY SHIT!

Spider-Man 2, Sony's mightily anticipated sequel to its 2002 mega-hit, spun a record $40.5 million in ticket sales in its first day in theaters Wednesday, the best opening day ever, eclipsing the previous mark of $39.4 million set by its predecessor.

HOT DAMN! THATS A FUCKIN LOT! And very well deserving to.

Wow... I just saw Spider-man 2 last night and it rocked harder than I could've ever imagined or hoped for. With out a doubt the best super-hero movie thus far, and one of my favorite movies to date. I really hope they can keep the magic going with this franchise, if only for 2 more films to break that trilogy curse set by other movies...

please, dear god... don't let a musclehead like Vin Diesel, The Rock or Brock Lesnar (although Brock does kinda look like Eddie Brock, and there's that whole "Brock/Brock: thing...) to play Venom. So Venom is a little bit built. So what? Any actor you get would look buff next to Tobey Mag... none of those guys looks right when I think of Eddie Brock/Venom. Out of the 3, i think Diesel is the only one who could come close to Venoms level of insanity/rage.

One more thing, if they were to do the cartoon intro of the symbiote, they would still have to have SM wear it then reject it, as well as introduce Eddie Brock (he's only briefly mentioned in Spider Man 1 in the JJ Jameson's office) and explain his hatred for Peter. Then you'd have Eddie becoming Venom... and after that, you could have the symbiote meeting Cletus Kassidy to create Carnage (nice illiteration, no?) so obviously, a Venom & Carnage in one movie would not work.

Satyagraha Wrote:
Just a random thought; not trying to sound ghey, but could you imagine having sex with Spidey 0_0? I mean, WTF, that shit would be off the hook for MJ!

WTF... no, there'd be bodily fluids and... web fluid all over... ew, sticky...

ok... some people seem to be confused, so lets clear up some stuff

the comics are the original source material, so they would be correct, unless we're talking about the remakes of the first issues *and i forget the title of that series...* that featured classic baddies like Doc Ock, Dr. Doom, Green Goblin and Scorpion

anyway, movies are based on the comics, but don't follow them completely...

then there are the games that, with the exception of Spiderman for PS1 by Activision and Spiderman 2: Enter Electro (also for PS1) are based upon but don't follow the movies exactly... so when someone says that the Hobgoblin is going to be a subboss in the next SM game, this does not mean that he will be excluded from future movies and storylines

wow i just saw it and..wow it was great... but i didnt like the ending wit doc oct.. he should of had a better death.. i did like the ending wit parker and mj..it was perfect..

The current director has signed for 6 films and the next one wont be out until May 6 2008... as mentioned before Venom/symbiote story would be amazing but the current director is not a big fan of the more current enemies but a fan of the original baddies...

just came back from the flick gotta say I got my 6 bucks well worth...

so... for the next film... 2 baddies... Hob-goblin as the green goblins succesor with serious story tweeks of course and the Scorpion with JJ backing up the funding for the mutation due to the "trouble" spiderman has caused... I want another baddie for it'll add a twist I'm sure they can add some more lame dawsons creek moments in there but i don't want them to milk the goblins, I'll acctually be pissed if they bring the demo-goblin...

I saw the film on Wednesday. I liked the film alot, but there is one thing that I disliked about this movie. **spoiler ---------The fact that Spider man's true identity was discovered people on that train. I didn't like it at all. To me it was ok that MJ,Harry,Doc Ock to find out, but a train load of people are going to keep spider man true identity, I was like yeah right. Spider man's true identity should have stayed secret to any of the public.---------end spoiler**. I was shocked. Besides that, I thought it was a great film. I didn't like the 1st film that much, but this movie was far better than the 1st. I give it a A -. I hope Sam R desides to do at least 1 more after Spider man 3 and the main cast as well.
Again Spider man 2 the movie = A - ( to me)

i knew they were making spiderman 2 about 4 years ago. I already had it!

Info on the Demo-Goblin: Back in 1989 or so, Jason Macendale, the 4th Hobgoblin, made a deal with the demon N'astihr to have the powers of a demon. N'astihr impanted one of his own demonic minions within Jason, giving him a hideously hugly face with needle-like teeth. This drove Jason kind of nuts for awhile, and he believed he was on a holy mission from god to destroy other demons. After a while, they split, and the demon became the Demo-goblin, whose mission was to kill Jason. After doing nothing truly significant, it was revealed that despite his homicidal tendencies, he actually had a good soul, when he died assisting Spider-man in saving a mother and her son.

For those who are wondering, the current Hobgoblin is Roderick Kingley (to the best of my knowledge), who was the original, first Hobgoblin way back when.

Anyway, as much as I'd love to see Venom, I don't think it can be done. They'd need one movie to explain the Symbiote, and another for Venom himself. Aside from that, Tobey really doesn't want to do more than one more movie. He hates bulking up for the part. Kirsten Dunst was to start directing soon, and aside from that, Raimi apparently doesn't like Venom.

The Lizard would be interesting. But it would present a problem. This would be the third time that a man Petey has respected and admired has gone nuts after an experiment. Kinda stale, if you ask me.

Carnage would be a horrible idea, I think. Aside from needing to explain the Symbiote, it would also have to reproduce, and besides, Carnage really isn't that interesting. He's just a homicidal maniac. Venom at least has a twisted sense of justice.

The best thing they could do is have Harry turn into the Hobgoblin. I don't think anyone really wants to see another Green Goblin appearance. All he needs to do is modify the suit and weapons a bit

Venom is my favorite comic character... period. Kinda insane, but an anti-hero sorta like the punisher, but a bit more evil at times.
Venom in the comic came from the secret wars things, in the 90's cartoon the symbiote came from a crashed space ship that had accidently picked up the symbiote.
Now in the last few years there has been a string of Ultimate marvel comics, which basically retell characters' origins and put new spins on many old storylines. In the Ultimate Spider-Man Storyline Eddie Brock was a child hood friend of Peter's. Brock's father was working with Peter's father to find a cure for cancer, but died/were murdered(unknown) in a plane crash. The cure being a black liquid suit that would find the cancer and use the body's own strengths to nuetralize it, but the suit never got completely finished. Eddie's father left the second phase of the experiment as an inheritance and Peter wanted to complete the experiement, but got some of the liquid on him, turning him into the black suited Spider-Man, but even though he didn't need web fluid, he was stronger, faster, and could take a bullet, he gained homicidal tendencies and disentigrated the suit on eletrical lines. Eddie finds out Peter's identity, but Eddie takes part of the suit he hid as Peter destroyed the rest, and Eddie became Venom. Fought Peter, and was shot by the police and eletricuted, but you're given the impression he lived, but Peter feels responsible for what Eddie had become.
That storyline is much different then the main storyline obviously, but elements from all of these could be incorperated into a Venom storyline...

MajinTsung Wrote: Venom is my favorite comic character... period. Kinda insane, but an anti-hero sorta like the punisher, but a bit more evil at times. Venom in the comic came from the secret wars things, in the 90's cartoon the symbiote came from a crashed space ship that had accidently picked up the symbiote. Now in the last few years there has been a string of Ultimate marvel comics, which basically retell characters' origins and put new spins on many old storylines. In the Ultimate Spider-Man Storyline Eddie Brock was a child hood friend of Peter's. Brock's father was working with Peter's father to find a cure for cancer, but died/were murdered(unknown) in a plane crash. The cure being a black liquid suit that would find the cancer and use the body's own strengths to nuetralize it, but the suit never got completely finished. Eddie's father left the second phase of the experiment as an inheritance and Peter wanted to complete the experiement, but got some of the liquid on him, turning him into the black suited Spider-Man, but even though he didn't need web fluid, he was stronger, faster, and could take a bullet, he gained homicidal tendencies and disentigrated the suit on eletrical lines. Eddie finds out Peter's identity, but Eddie takes part of the suit he hid as Peter destroyed the rest, and Eddie became Venom. Fought Peter, and was shot by the police and eletricuted, but you're given the impression he lived, but Peter feels responsible for what Eddie had become. That storyline is much different then the main storyline obviously, but elements from all of these could be incorperated into a Venom storyline...

well if they do use venom...i hope they use the cartoon version wit the crashed space ship... i think that version would fit the movie more