Transhumanism

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Currently I have been thinking about stem-cell research and the current state our education system is over here, as both are somewhat topical right now. Essentially I have come to conlude that I am in most ways a tranhumanist.

The question I have come to ask -especially since I am awaiting the new Robocop remake- is wether to further advance the human body. Currently I am all in favour of artificial extensions or even replacements for the human body, and since we are already cyborgs on the most rudimentary level (glasses), I think a full body prosthesis should relatively soon be possible.

Also quick note: anyone who played rpgs should be familiar with the notion of cybernetic modifications hurting your "humanity". I find it to be illogical.

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•01/23/2014 04:06 PM (UTC) •

This sounds like some Deus Ex Human Revolution type stuff bro.

•01/23/2014 04:07 PM (UTC) •

Do you want to be Shang Tsung or something?

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•01/23/2014 04:25 PM (UTC) •

Zmoke Wrote:
Do you want to be Shang Tsung or something?

Somewhen I did.

Basically yes. There is no overrriding principle that basically prevents us to take our hands to our own evolution. Genetically recurring defects could be cured for example. And I am not talking about just electronics either: if we could manufacture healthier organs then go for it.

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•01/23/2014 04:40 PM (UTC) •

Hence, chrome as a username.

Jaded-Raven

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•01/23/2014 06:09 PM (UTC) •

Chrome Wrote:
conlude

*conclude

Chrome Wrote:
wether

*whether

Chrome Wrote:

Also quick note: anyone who played rpgs should be familiar with the notion of cybernetic modifications hurting your "humanity". I find it to be illogical.

Well, it depends on how human you already are. If you already strive to be emotionless and logical, then you might as well just be a machine.

Sub-Zero_7th

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•01/23/2014 09:23 PM (UTC) •

Well Chrome, if you become a cyber ninja with the strength of 5 gorillas, I would give you my support.

I think that using technology to get rid of birth defects and even repairing limbs is not a bad idea at all.

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•01/23/2014 10:17 PM (UTC) •

I like that J-R's contribution to a discussion about transhumanism is spelling corrections. Adorable.

Anyway, my stance would be somewhere in-between. I'm not one to stand in the way of progress, so if people want to go full cyborg, I say have at it. But strictly for myself? I'm in a good place with my gross meat body and feel no need to alter it.

•01/24/2014 10:41 AM (UTC) •

Chrome might be a hairy typo monster with smelling toes and bottle bottom eyeglasses right now, from the Buda side, but as soon as he gains the strength of five gorillaz, he is a force to be reckoned with.

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•01/24/2014 02:01 PM (UTC) •

If it's for the better of society, then I'm all for it.

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•01/24/2014 02:39 PM (UTC) •

Sorry, those were above my allowed limit of zero typos.

What I find redundant and false as an existential question is the how human I am? question: for one, the amount of artificial or nonnatal modifications of your body are in no corellation to your personality.

Being human is more or less behaviour. So even if I am nothing more than a sack of brain tissue hooked up to a polymer body, I am still human.

•01/24/2014 03:05 PM (UTC) •

Being human/humane is not the same as being a homo sapiens. Even an alien could bear that trait even though they were of another species. As for being a human being – even a vegetable homo erectus would be one.

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•01/25/2014 09:10 PM (UTC) •

Look at yourself you are indoctrinated. You are talking about something we can't control.

Other than the typical Mass Effect Paragon RPing, Transhumanism is a good thing for humanity. Regardless if the rest of the galaxy is hostile or not, transhumanism in all forms will help Humanity in the long term for various reasons.

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•01/26/2014 08:36 AM (UTC) •

Zmoke Wrote:
Being human/humane is not the same as being a homo sapiens. Even an alien could bear that trait even though they were of another species. As for being a human being – even a vegetable homo erectus would be one.

Being humane in your words is more important to me than being genetically human - up to the point if the vessel does not influence the mind due to genetics.

Every thought and emotion is biochemistry, if we can for example replicate the original neural network into a more enhanced body, that would be perfect, hell, we could even improve on it and let's say, goodbye epilepsy or genetically inherited flaws.

A vegetative human is genetically a homo sapiens sapiens. So? Unless you are talking about braindead people, who are by definition dead.

I would be joyous for example if I could keep absolute order inside my head.

•01/26/2014 09:39 PM (UTC) •

Chrome Wrote:

Being humane in your words is more important to me than being genetically human - up to the point if the vessel does not influence the mind due to genetics.

Every thought and emotion is biochemistry, if we can for example replicate the original neural network into a more enhanced body, that would be perfect, hell, we could even improve on it and let's say, goodbye epilepsy or genetically inherited flaws.

A vegetative human is genetically a homo sapiens sapiens. So? Unless you are talking about braindead people, who are by definition dead.

I brought up that 'human' is also an adjective and that asking whether one's human or not is not as much of an existential question as asking whether one is a human being is. I could refer to comatose people and this reference pointed out that not all human beings can be human.

Chrome Wrote:
I would be joyous for example if I could keep absolute order inside my head.

Is that particularly challenging? Do you have a lack of self-discipline?

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•01/28/2014 07:02 AM (UTC) •

Sometimes, though it has more to do with being overworked. Also, I cannot not keep myself away from delicious meats and I am getting fatter.

hankypanky1

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•01/28/2014 03:12 PM (UTC) •

You must come from a messed up country. This shit should only be a fantasy, not reality.

•01/29/2014 04:38 PM (UTC) •

Chrome Wrote:
Sometimes, though it has more to do with being overworked. Also, I cannot not keep myself away from delicious meats and I am getting fatter.

Thus you are overwhelmed by all the extra chores and the overtime work you get, so to speak, if I got it right. Have you ever considered becoming a vegetarian? It's socially acceptable these days, and downright healthy.

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•01/30/2014 02:35 PM (UTC) •

I like vegetables, well, some of them (carrots> keep that shit out of here). And the cuisine is generally good. Though lard and fat is a big part of our dishes, it is generally offset by good quality produce. I simply like to eat meat. And fruit.

As for fantasy - > we are already cyborgs by definition. Having glasses is basically a warrant for being a cyborg for the time you are wearing them.

Human progress proves without a doubt that technological advancements are beneficial. True, it can be used to detrimental effects, but the technology itself is unquestionably for our benefit.

Luddism, religion and dogma against proven physical reality is harmful, therefore should be abandoned.

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•01/30/2014 05:07 PM (UTC) •

Sidenote: Robocop 2014 released early in Malaysia. First screenings are promising, and while the movie does not replace the original as it lacks the power, but it is nowhere near a trainwreck.

•01/30/2014 08:10 PM (UTC) •

What's wrong with carrots? They should be the foremost food/snack in a transhumanist's cuisine – the ingredient carotene has anti-aging effects.

Sub-Zero_7th

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•01/30/2014 11:35 PM (UTC) •

In terms of eating, I would suggest mapping out the ratio of food. I like to eat meat as well, and I've been having a fair bit of it during this time of the year. Meat can be very beneficial, but it should be a side while vegetables should be the main focus (about half of your plate). Throw in some spices like cayenne pepper, and it could do you some good.

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•02/01/2014 07:19 AM (UTC) •

I cannot stand most of them. Salad in small amounts, but I am mostly a fruit guy: tomatoes, pears, paprika... Well, at least it is not fish, because I cannot even stand the smell of fish without gagging. Same with carrots, I don't like the taste.