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XiahouDun84
01/14/2011 06:33 AM (UTC)
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Found this on Facebook. If you're really into this sort of thing, it may put your mind at ease:
Every year or so, another astronomer erupts into the mainstream media with a portentous announcement about how, due to the precession of the equinoxes, the astrological signs are no longer aligned with the actual constellations. Often the supposed 13th constellation, Ophiuchus, is also invoked as a further proof of how delusional astrologers are.

What it means, according to these experts, is that astrology is invalid. Most of the people who think they're Tauruses are actually Aries. Most Scorpios are really Libras. And so on.

That latest offering is from Parke Kunkle, a board member of the Minnesota Planetarium Society. "When [astrologers] say that the sun is in Pisces," he speculated, "it's really not in Pisces." His supposition hit the Internet recently, on Gawker (http://bit.ly/i1VxqE) and the Minneapolis Star Tribune (http://bit.ly/f7hWwW), among other places.

I understand that scientists like him would prefer not to lower themselves to the task of actually doing research about how astrology works. But if they're going to question its foundations, they should at least learn it well enough to know what they're talking about.

Here, briefly, is the lowdown on what certain astronomers are too lazy to find out for themselves.

The astrological signs are not defined by the constellations you see in the sky. In antiquity, when both astrological and astronomical thinking were based on insufficient data, the names of the constellations happened to be paired with the astrological signs. Today, those pairings are no longer in sync: Astrological signs do not line up with the constellations in the same way they did way back then, due to the precession of the equinoxes.

Modern Western astrologers understand this perfectly. It 's irrelevant to their work because the information upon which they base their hypotheses does not involve a study of distant stars or constellations. Rather, their data have to do with the movements of the planets in our own solar system within a zone of influence defined by the relationship between the Earth and Sun.

The key demarcation points in that relationship are the equinoxes and solstices. At the Northern Hemisphere's vernal equinox, which occurs on about March 20th of each year, the Sun enters into the sign of Aries. At the Northern Hemisphere's summer solstice, the sun enters into the sign of Cancer. The locations of the constellations are irrelevant; the "influence of the stars" isn't considered.

To reiterate: Western astrologers don't work with stars or constellations. Their focus is our solar system. They study the patterns of the planets and the moon as they pass through 12 zones defined by the relationship between the Earth and sun. Those zones have the same names as constellations because of a historical quirk, but they are unrelated to the constellations.

When Parke Kunkle triumphantly says, "There is no physical connection between constellations and personality traits," as if he has finally stamped out the delusions of us astrologers, he doesn't realize that we agree with him completely. We don't deal with constellations.

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Amusingly, it wouldn't have affected me either way.
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Kamionero
01/14/2011 07:28 AM (UTC)
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They already tried to incorporate Ophiucus back in the mid 90's... it didnt catch on at all...

technically there are 13 houses, but seriously, I doubt this will catch on
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Locusta
01/14/2011 11:07 AM (UTC)
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And originally there where 13 months, back when Matriarchy flourished. Elusive history!
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01/14/2011 02:35 PM (UTC)
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Wait. So I'm a Ophiuchus now?

No no no. Sagittarius all the way
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01/14/2011 02:37 PM (UTC)
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So those weren't misprinted callanders then? ...Lousy Smarch weather...
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01/14/2011 05:31 PM (UTC)
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I went from scales to a virgin. Why do I get shit star signs?
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01/14/2011 05:50 PM (UTC)
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I'm a Scorpio. End of story.
Blah, I refuse to be a libra. I clash with them, so how does this even make sense? furious
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01/14/2011 09:58 PM (UTC)
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If it's true then I'm still an Aquarius haha mine is still in the aquarius range
Yeah, apparently this only applies to those born after 2009.

Which...makes sense? I guess.
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01/14/2011 10:20 PM (UTC)
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I am now a Gemini. Woo? Can't be worse than what I was... cancer
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01/15/2011 02:39 AM (UTC)
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This new sign is not really "new". Astrologers know about it, but officially it was never put in with the rest of the zodiac, because back then 13th was an unlucky number. Even Nostradamus talks about the 13th sign in his prophecies.

Regarding your new sign, the characteristics of your new sign will obviously not change from day to night. It will take sometime for you to begin to adapt those characteristics of your new sign. The effects of your new sign will eventually come to you. It just won't be as fast as people think. However, the new babies born will adquire the characteristics of their new sign faster than us.
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01/16/2011 04:24 PM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
Apparently they changed zodiac signs. What you thought you were, you're not anymore...

Here's the new list for the signs:


Capricorn: Jan. 20-Feb. 16

Aquarius: Feb. 16-March 11

Pisces: March 11-April 18

Aries: April 18-May 13

Taurus: May 13-June 21

Gemini: June 21-July 20

Cancer: July 20-Aug. 10

Leo: Aug. 10-Sept. 16

Virgo: Sept. 16-Oct. 30

Libra: Oct. 30-Nov. 23

Scorpio: Nov. 23-Nov. 29

Ophiuchus: Nov. 29-Dec. 17

Sagittarius: Dec. 17-Jan. 20

Please welcome the Ophiuchus, something that I am now and I refuse to label myself as because I don't know what you are.

Enjoy you're new signs.


I'm not throwing anything at you Icebaby, when I say fuck all that bullshit.

I've always identified with a Pisces, never an Aquarius. My birthday is March 3rd. I am a fish. I'm not being stubborn, I'm just saying I know what I am and I'm not, and I am not an Aquarius.

I am a Pisces.
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01/16/2011 04:37 PM (UTC)
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It's actually been proven to be bullshit, so, yea.
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01/16/2011 06:35 PM (UTC)
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For people born after 2009. zzzz.
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01/16/2011 06:52 PM (UTC)
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Toxik Wrote:
This new sign is not really "new". Astrologers know about it, but officially it was never put in with the rest of the zodiac, because back then 13th was an unlucky number. Even Nostradamus talks about the 13th sign in his prophecies.

Regarding your new sign, the characteristics of your new sign will obviously not change from day to night. It will take sometime for you to begin to adapt those characteristics of your new sign. The effects of your new sign will eventually come to you. It just won't be as fast as people think. However, the new babies born will adquire the characteristics of their new sign faster than us.


I do see what you're saying, and given the Earth's movement, this really doesn't apply to anyone who exists now, and won't officially apply to anyone until another ten years, maybe.

Like you said, the characteristics will later come to us. In due time, this will be the law of the universe. Until then, I'm a Pisces!
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01/16/2011 06:53 PM (UTC)
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Riyakou Wrote:
Icebaby Wrote:
Apparently they changed zodiac signs. What you thought you were, you're not anymore...

Here's the new list for the signs:


Capricorn: Jan. 20-Feb. 16

Aquarius: Feb. 16-March 11

Pisces: March 11-April 18

Aries: April 18-May 13

Taurus: May 13-June 21

Gemini: June 21-July 20

Cancer: July 20-Aug. 10

Leo: Aug. 10-Sept. 16

Virgo: Sept. 16-Oct. 30

Libra: Oct. 30-Nov. 23

Scorpio: Nov. 23-Nov. 29

Ophiuchus: Nov. 29-Dec. 17

Sagittarius: Dec. 17-Jan. 20

Please welcome the Ophiuchus, something that I am now and I refuse to label myself as because I don't know what you are.

Enjoy you're new signs.


I'm not throwing anything at you Icebaby, when I say fuck all that bullshit.

I've always identified with a Pisces, never an Aquarius. My birthday is March 3rd. I am a fish. I'm not being stubborn, I'm just saying I know what I am and I'm not, and I am not an Aquarius.

I am a Pisces.


Believe me, I said the same thing too. I love being a Sagittarius. There's no way I'm that other thing, the somewhat "new but not really new" sign.

But, since this only affects people after 2009, which someone also said, "makes sense" we people who were born 2008 and so-forth in the past, we will always remain who we are.
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01/17/2011 02:19 AM (UTC)
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I went from Virgo to... wait, I was born in September 17, so... still Virgo.

eh... I don't care.
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01/17/2011 02:55 AM (UTC)
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if you follow your horoscope, all that matters is what sign you were BORN under. I was born on November 8, and I was born a Scorpio. Still am. Ppl born on november 8 from now on are Libras.
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01/17/2011 03:32 PM (UTC)
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Rastabortionist Wrote:
if you follow your horoscope, all that matters is what sign you were BORN under. I was born on November 8, and I was born a Scorpio. Still am. Ppl born on november 8 from now on are Libras.


True that, man,

True that.
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01/17/2011 04:12 PM (UTC)
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I'll always be a Virgin. Best sign of all! ;)
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Chimera
01/18/2011 10:38 PM (UTC)
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Can't tell if becoming a Taurus from Gemini is a good thing
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QueenSindel(TheBitch)
01/19/2011 02:23 PM (UTC)
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this only applies to newborns.

your sign is determined by the constellation behind the sun when u were born. if u were born before 2011, quit whining. nothing has changed about ur sign. it's determined by your birth not right now in this moment.

btw, where the hell did that new sign come from?
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01/21/2011 02:49 AM (UTC)
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So does this mean I can have an altered (or per-se) hybrid persona? My birthday falls on Oct 30th...

Anybody else find something wrong here?
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01/22/2011 10:29 AM (UTC)
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As cool as it is to associate with various elements and animals, we all know that astrology's not real anyway, so don't worry about it if you've changed sign. smile You are whatever you make yourself to be, and stars millions of light years away will not change that.
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01/22/2011 10:39 AM (UTC)
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HAHA!! I'm still an Aries barely. WOO! my gf isn't a leo now but a cancer... This is some bull shit lol
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