show me one post where i have ever said my way is the only one. please enlighten me

Dude I wasn't talking literally, it's just the attitude sometimes that makes it seem that way.

im just saying im sick of the batman love fest. yes the latest trilogy was fantastic and was successful fine and dandy but lets not pretend that had nothing to do with batman being more favored in the game dude.


lets be honest do you really think bane would be in if not for the last film? of course not. the reason why catwoman is in is because they have her render from mk vs dcu.

you may think i hate batman but i dont but i need something new and is that to much to ask?

people ripped me apart for suggesting aqualad with there lame ass comments on oh hes just a side kick and yet someone like raven is not considered such a thing since shes from ** teen titans**

and its fans like that wich is why dc will never get there movie shit together because fans continue to give dc money for non needed reboots instead of cashing on a success that is arrow

as you can tell im oppinionated and sometimes a dick but dude you know deep down im right

Point 1) You could say that Batman and his latest trilogy had a lot to do with it. Or you could say that Batman and his rogue's gallery are a HUGE part of the d.c. universe. Many of the characters have evolved beyond Batman(obviously the association will always be there) and had their own successful runs in solo comics.

Point 2) Once again, you could try to argue popularity...or you could realize that Batman is a huge part of this story. A story that involves him going rogue and going against the order Superman has set up. Obviously he's going to call in some favors from people in his universe. People he thinks will give him a good chance at toppling the regime(Bane had the strength and brains to go toe to toe with Batman himself, so of course he's gonna be near the top of his list).

Point 3) Of course that's not too much to ask. But remember, this game isn't just being made for you, me, and the ultra d.c. fanboys. They are trying to make a game that breaks out and appeals to everyone.

Point 4) The average person isn't going to know who Aqualad is. Hell there are some people that are still complaining that Aquaman is in the game. Plus, in a game that is striving for each character to have their own identity, the last thing we need is another Sub Zero/Frost situation. I'm not saying his inclusion would be a bad idea(and i'm pretty much using him as an example because he's who you used) but I can certainly see that he has a ton of marks against him.

Point 5) That is an entirely different can of worms altogether. I personally think a t.v. show is the best way to showcase a character like Green Arrow. We're getting to know him over the long haul instead of D.C. having to take a leap of faith and throw together a two hour story on the off chance some people might go to see it.

Plus, if we're thinking Justice League movie, I personally think there's no way it's going to compete with the Avengers movie(at least in terms of cohesion and sheer fun factor). It's possible, but highly unlikely. Warner Bros/D.C. has a habit of completely separating the D.C. universe in film. Superman doesn't seem to exist in Batman's universe and vice versa. Marvel put an ass ton of work in from the first iron man movie(or the Norton Hulk movie) to make sure that we all knew that character was a small piece of something bigger. D.C. has done no such thing, which is going to make a JL movie a bit harder to pull off(at least with the casual i.e. vast majority of the movie going market).

Point 6) Aren't we all? Unfortunately insisting that you're right, doesn't always make it so. Opinions n' assholes and what not.

On topic. ARES!

Batman is one of the most beloved fictional characters in history. Obviously he would be well represented

Yeah and calling some of these characters "Batman characters" is a bit of a disservice to their history. Obviously they have Bat-family ties but Catwoman and Nightwing especially stand on their own.

i dont think i ever said this here but im 28 years old and started reading comics about 5 years ago, i admit i dont know jack on every dc charachter but as a reader marvel has really steared me torwards them because of the way they are introducing there films. for example guardians of the galaxy... movie is slated for august 1 2014 right? well i have an interest in reading on them. flicks like thor captain america got me interested and ready for avengers hulk not so much but loved him in avengers.

dc has nothing to offer to make me say yea i want to read on that charachter or know who is who because they dont give it that same push like they do with batman with the multiple comic titles the tv shows and films.

lets face it the argument of batman being a icon now is long gone and is officially a cash cow that is being beaten to death to wich im losing interest in.

you look at a charachter like green lantern and he was pretty much the new face of dc thanks to geoff johns but in reality the movie bombed badly

so dc decides to not take another risk and go back to there number one guy.

marvel on the other hand had multiple crappy films such as

ghost rider 1 and 2

xmen wolverine

xmen last stand

2003 hulk

both fantastic four films

spidey 3
daredevil
and yet they still manage to find the balls and take gambles by releasing avengers, captain america, iron man, thor, again guardians of the galaxy wich someone like myself knew nothing about.

That's the thing though. You can't have the same type of story/character development in a two hour movie, that you can in a 12-20 episode season of a television show. Ultimately that's why I think the t.v. show works better (at least for Green Arrow).


Anybody else think this would make a bad ass alternate for Ares?

yes you can. the x-files did it with the first film ( fight the future) wich led into i believe season 5


the idea is there the proplem is people just have to see its there.


also who said anything about a arrow film being 2 hours? an hour and 50 is enough since hes pretty much established and the orgin was explained in the tv show

The x files movie had plenty of setup...from the four great seasons of the t.v. show.

Dude...10 minutes?

arrow is green lit for another season and if season 2 does the same numbers than i think its time for the movie either before or after season 3

i really do believe dc has an oppertunity with this and to get there shit together and continue following that formula with other charachters.


they originally had a blue beetle show planned but that fell through and it looked pretty decent for what it was. in fact i think you can even find the teaser on youtube and it was for syfy

all live action also

If the show does blow up... then I absolutely agree.

like i said it already has but w/e

is ares not marvel

Guys, please edit your quotes before posting. I have to scroll down half a page to get to the next post.

And yes, please stop with the Batman hate. We get that you don't like it, but it's done and there's nothing you can do about it... so please stop moaning about it.

I LOVE this thread. You guys going at it, brings back memories.

Not going to lie. I'm with Blackcyborg on most of this.

People need to stop looking at only what they want to see, hear or acknowledge. This roster has been figured out and is SO solid by now, that anybody ignoring it is actually looking pretty ridiculous.

No she wouldn't be DLC because NRS doesn't want to be painted like Capcom. If it's finished enough to be included in an incomplete build, NRS couldn't justify holding out and charging for DLC. Are you insane? Capcom was almost the victim of a mob(myself included), for that shit.

This is even with completely ignoring the fact that KF isn't known enough to present a desired business model for attracting sales. And it DEFINITELY wouldn't be out of the gate. Could it be done? Yes. Will it be done? No. Why? Because its pretty damn clear based on the evidence, that she will be in the game at launch. Open your eyes.

I don't mean to oust NRS' marketing. But lets face it. it has been figured out. Unfortunately the processes create material that has to be submitted for approval. In many cases (usually trophies/achievements), this is how much is figured out and these people are in the best position to leak info.

-This "female"'s render is already complete and paired with main roster renders on the achievement icon submitted FAR before the game is completed
-Flash was seen fighting an ice character in the reveal trailer... IN THE REVEAL TRAILER. That screams vanilla > DLC, all day.
-The snowflake icon in the numerical equivalent of 10 Lab missions per character of the 24 characters just confirmed by Hec.
-The recent updating of the KF page on DCcomics.com

Open your eyes. It's actually infuriating. Logical accepting fans are always going to be more respected than sharks. And while we all have a metamorphosis to go through, there comes a time to just see it for what it is. I was dying (and I mean DYING) for Scarecrow. But at the end of the day. I sit back, accept it for what it is, and get excited for the game in its entirety, not my selfish desires which really only bring negativity.

I was once where you are, my friend. I understand. But move on. Evolve.

Big names are going to lead off DLC. I am only expecting 1 obscure character max, per season. That is also assuming there may be more than one season. Im willing to put money on MartianManhunter and Lobo. I feel BlackCanary and Bluebeetle are also strong considerations.
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1) Batman was front and center for MKDC and was being hyped like Crazy. played an integral part of the story and was a "heavy hitter". He was still listed like 3rd last on tier list. I'd say this is an answer to that, more than anything. He is loved and in an all DC fighter rather than the MK crowd playing DC, its more likely NRS would get RIPPED APART if the one guy who has beaten just about everybody was crappy. Open your eyes. Batman's comic following is ridiculous. He needs to represent actually. That's not even acknowledging the movies. I know 400 people that LOVED those movies that aren't even paying attention to this game.
2) Bane is a perfect fit or a bigger type of character. A perfect fit with venom as a character trait, a character with a hardcore fan base and following and he is a brawler. It makes sense to put a brute in a fighting game. Logic....
3)I don't see you hating Batman at all. I see you claiming that you want them to listen to one person's desires over thousands or millions of others. The very point behind it all, is a textbook hypocrisy. The more people that like a character, the more likely the sales and following of the medium. This is a business. Get over it.
4) Sorry your suggested character isn't in. Just looked him up. COULD work. But he doesn't top any roster character currently. So I support these characters over him. Enough said. You argue the criticism of his origin from others, but you jump on that same boat with Raven's inclusion in Teen titans. Another contradiction.
5)Complaining on fan base, only to suggest fan base.... My palm is firmly pressed against my face.
6)No. You are biased, contradicting, hypocritical. Anything but "right". We are all biased to some degree. But your forcing it down everybody's throat. Expect retaliation. If your going to complain about it, stop throwing matches at Gasoline, when more gas is on you than anybody else.

I thought I clicked the Ares thread...

I too am 28 and have been into comics a long time.

Short Rant:

I'm a big collector like many here. Check here Clicky

Most notable is my love for Martian Manhunter and Skaar:

My whole point in all of this, Is simply that I do understand where you're coming from and the frustrations you have about popular characters being spotlighted and giving the most treatment amongst others. And you can Ask BlackCyborg, when Injustice was mid-way through development I came here and ranted hard, similar to you now. But you have to be open minded man. Now that MM is winning for DLC slot. I'm very happy with that. At first I wouldn't of admitted to it. But a DLC slot is better then no shot at all.

I think this game will offer fans quite a bit of stuff to be happy with. From the PAX demo I saw last night made me happy I've kept with this games development and stayed hyped. I still am, I can't wait to play this. Like all of you.

For the whole Batman being more popular etc. I know the feeling of wanting more from a franchise then just what sells like hotcakes. But I again, had to look at it open minded to the fact that risk have been taken. Young Justice, Green Lantern, etc. Though these have fallen recently it showed me another side of DC that wasn't present before. They pretty much like you said, only cash cowed Batman. But then we got these "experiments" with other characters.

For example, Black Adam became a little more popular and interesting to the general audience thanks to the Superman SHAZAM Return of Black Adam animated movie. Not to mention the Spectre short.

Little by little, DC is closing in on other characters and trying to bring them to surface with fans. For awhile MM wasn't really affiliated with anything GAME wise after JLHeroes. He was recently in Lego Batman 2, which I was surprised to see. That's a 7 year leap from JLH to LB2. So for someone like myself and other fans of the character it felt good to see him get a role in some sort of game.

Sure I love to Watch/Read/Draw/Collect ANYTHING Manhunter related. That's a first and foremost. But being able to pick him up in a game after all this time and feel Indulged. Man, it's gonna be the greatest experience ever and I can not wait. But I will.

And that's the point I'm trying to make when I say this. Good things come to those who wait. And man, If you have a character you want to be in some sort of media. Keep being a fan and don't let frustration perceive you. Follow the hopes for that character you want to become more viral. Do more socializing amongst fans and the general public and enforce your love for that character through forums, friends, whatever. Don't over do it of course. But keep that character mainstream to you and hopefully other fans will unite with you and something may pop.

That's all I really have to say man, fight the good fight and keep your hopes alive by supporting your character/ers. That's What I've done and it lead me to MM being DLC. That's what counts at the end of the day.

Apologies to everyone for going off topic. I'm finished.

Well, not to sound like a buzzkill, but do you really think that you, personally, supporting MM has anything to do with him being DLC? What about TheGame's continued support of Aqualad? Or what about anyone else equally supporting their favorite character, like you were supporting MM? I mean, it's great to hear he's going to be in the game and all, but you're making it sound like you actually had something to do with him turning out to be DLC.

It's all about what the masses want. The single individual cannot hope to compete, no matter their dedication.

What are you getting at? I never said in that Post I was the only one. I'm pretty sure I threw out some 3rd party references using "Fans" as my keyword.

Since you are misguided and choose to perceive what I said as my own doing. I said, "That's What I've done and it lead me to MM being DLC."

Meaning I chose not to give up on my hopes of him making it. I chose to, like others keep hoping he would be included into the game somehow if not Initially, then through DLC at some point.

The fact that this needs to be explained and how you perceived it, tends to make me think you are upset over something in some fashion. Do explain the need to quote my post and pick apart something I threw out there with good intentions mind you. Only to have you contradict me for being supportive of something that I and Many wanted for the longest time and finally have and are now happy with. Through continued support.

Please explain.

I'm just saying that it sounds like you're saying: you have to keep hoping and supporting and it will work out, when that's absolutely not true. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that you and all the other people wanting MM in the game finally got him, but I wonder if you would have the same mentality if you were supporting a different character that has a much much lower fanbase. That's where TheGame is at this point. That's all I'm trying to explain.

OK, I understand what your getting at. And you know what If MM had not been DLC. Yes it would of been crushing for fans of his and myself included. But the reality of it all man, is that MM is getting his limelight and I am very happy.

But if it hadn't happened. It wouldn't of been any different to me. We all know MM hasn't really had any MAJOR solo appearances outside JL. So the fact that he's on his own TWO feet for this game could be a compilation of factors. Maybe it's the new 52 arc their writing for him. Maybe it's the fact he's now a leader instead of a forerunner for JL. It could be a lot of things that made his inclusion into this game a factor.

The point is, fans speak volumes. Whether it's buying Merchandise, Figures, Posters. Sales #'s are what a lot of people look at. So if you're a fan of something and continue to support/buy those products who knows. Maybe enough of that Income and proceeds made from that character is enough to catch the minds of the creators and marketers and potentially build more for that character.

I don't know if you remember Ed boon's conversation. But he was quoted for saying "If we see a certain characters name keep popping up. And there is enough fan request. We would consider that character for DLC." So I believe that alone means fan Impact has a lot to do for what comes and goes in this world from a marketing standpoint.

I'm not saying that 1 Individual fan is gonna make the difference. That would be Cliché. I'm simply implying that sometimes a fan who has the same desires, hopes, and passion for a character could rub off on to another fan who shares that same hope and it could evolve into a big group or community of fans who all have a cause and the fact that they stick together as a pact and prolong that hope means it could make things better. I.E. Polls, Votes, Interest etc. The more fans of something there is, the better chances the longevity.

Just my opinion.

There's a Marvel version of Ares and a DC version of Ares.

Also a Disney and Sony version :D