You have to realize, all pre-order stuff is already done before the game is complete anyways, so they would just be pulling characters already in the game, out of the game, and making you pay for it. All pre-order skins were on the disc for MK9, and it wouldn't be any different with characters. It's time out of development, making us choose between characters we would otherwise get right away. So it would essentially give us less. So no, that would be stupid. You are making it sound like somehow pre-order stuff is magically completed, so they could just make more characters for the game that way, when it's quite the opposite.

It's more than just a few weeks after release, it was 2 months until the pre-order skins became available for MK9.

They already did a season pass last year. It's the same thing WWE games do. So maybe you just didn't notice it. Same concept. You pay $15 up front, and you got all 4 DLC characters as they were released, for no additional cost. Allowing you to save $5.

No, I'm thinking that a short fat character model whose every special move is the same fucking thing, "point umbrella forward, bullets or knife or gas comes out of the tip", would be terrible to have in the game.

The Penguin is not a fighter. He does not fight people. There's no reason for him to be playable in a game about fighting. It's not like there aren't already characters who have guns, knives, and smoke bombs, man. Anything Penguin can do, someone already on the roster can do way, way cooler.
Not that any of this matters now that we know for sure he's just an interactive stage element, thankfully.

Bo'rai'cho is short and fat and just vomits everywhere is he's pretty well received. Just because another character is stabby or shooty or both doesn't mean that there's no room another as long as they'd play differently.
But it's somewhat of a moot point considering that he's involved in a stage transition.

This roster looks amazing if it's real. I will be soo happy that MM and DF are in.

If I remember correctly Penguin does have training Judo.

To me, these games are meant to offer the characters people love, and allow them to play as them. It's not about how realistic it is supposed to be, or how great of a fighter they are. There's a reason Harley is in the same game as Superman. People want to play as her. Just like, gasp, Penguin has some fans too. Not as common, but they do exist. That's what the games are there for in the end, to let people have fun. Playing as your favorite, is fun. Doesn't always have to make story sense, logical sense, or be the best character to fill that role. Because then it would always be the same people if other characters didn't get their chance.

Ultimately, they'd make him work, or he wouldn't be in the game. So if he ever manages to make it in, it's because he's fun to play as. Simple as that. No reason to try and argue canon or logic out of it. Games are mainly about fun. Look at MvC and Super Smash bros etc. Not everything makes compelte logical sense. It's supposed to be fun. Suspension of disbelief goes along with these things, especially if you are going to accept Superman vs. 95% of the roster. They only try and make a reason why superman is weakened, to appease the canonical snobs who can't just have fun. lol

Like when Hector brings up people who have said "Flash would never do that in real life..." Some people just don't understand the concept of a game. Not everything needs to be serious. You can have Penguin vs. Superman, because it's a game. That's the whole point. Otherwise why choose anyone else other than Superman, as Hector and Boon have stated...

Bo's not short, he's pretty much the same size as everyone else. Penguin would have to be a nonstandard size, which messes with gameplay, NRS always has trouble with characters like that.

And how "well recieved" Bo is is very, very debatable. Lots and lots of people hate the guy 'cuz of his moves.The people who do like him usually do so in SPITE of his moves and think he needs new ones.

AND Bo is a martial arts teacher and a tribute to Drunken Boxing movie characters, like Jackie Chan in half his films. He makes sense as a fighter in a game about fighting. And if they ever animated it right, watching him fight or playing as him COULD be as fun as watching those Jackie Chan movies is, instead of slow, awkward, and shitty like Bo was in the games he was in.



That's what I'm trying to tell you is the problem with the Penguin, though. He doesn't do anything in the comics that would make for "different" or cool moves. He's just not a character suited for combat, he's always been the kind of guy who has henchmen do the fighting for him. As a result, there's nothing about him that would make him fun to play as. Whereas The Joker, even though he doesn't have any skill, tends to get into tussles all the time anyway, and like I said, always carries around a lot of creative weapons that make for good special moves in a video game.

Read blackcyborgs post. I honestly agree with that to the fullest extent. It's a fantasy game, and the first actual DC fighter fans are going to get. People like the Penguin, so why shouldn't he be in the game? I'm sure they could think of different moves and gadgets to make him balanced. Even if he's not in the initial roster, he might be DLC. You never know. That goes for any characters, really.

Hence the Penguin suggestion. Th difference would be that most of the moves would come out of the umbrella. I don't even really WANT him playable, I'm simply saying he's not so outside the realm of possibility that he shouldn't be considered.

With today's video, I am 99% positive that this is fake.

The Penguin was featured in today's video as a background character in a stage transition attack. Not a playable character.

unless this leak didnt specifically label npc

for all we know a good number on that list could be npc's we just wont know till more of the game is shown

It's Harley who's the real waste of space considering The Joker was always going to be in. Do we really need both of them playable, they could have made her an alt skin for The Joker instead.

Ugh...

Then Croc, Riddler, and Two-Face would be on the list.

Deathstroke is also missing from the list.

The list is fabricated, faked, made-up...

Anybody can do it. There is absolutely no proof backing this. Why is this still even being debated? lol If you go to the darn site it was first shown, people deduced it to being fake within the first few posts. Someone claimed it was from the source of the official site, and someone else checked, and it wasn't. simple as that. A lie.

Batwing being in that list takes away any credibility what so ever. Nuff said

Y'all are going to leave black Batman alone, okay.

booster gold and blue beetle... that is too good to be true

Well, I think we can definitively say this list is a fake (unless it is including NPC, but then again, why would NPC have HTML image links and bio's?).

this was the same argument about dark khan back during mk vs dcu and yet he was still in for a non playable charachter.

people think a roster consists of just playable ones when in fact it dosent and for all we know this couldve been a list before adding croc 2face riddler and death stroke.

Hahaha. ohhhh boy. <3

People explode when its suggested that Shazam and desired Black Adam should be one character with 2 skins. Same goes for Green lanturn and the desired Sinestro.

I'm trying not be biased, because I love Harley. but blind support isn't going to do anything but make me look like a fanboy. So bare with me.

A) NRS had Harley fully furnished and ready to rock, in MKDC. Unexpected things happened with Midway (well... kind of expected). You know as I do, how our fanbase is. Anything that resembles an exclusion on purpose, starts nuclear warfare with the fans. Comic fans are of similar passion, although not as primal and immature as we are, as a collective.

That being said. even back then. I was PUMPED for DLC and Harley was first in my mind. A dream shattered and she wasn't used. Now with this game. For all that content and for that character to exist, and then be trashed? Can you imagine the backlash? More fitting, The RAGE?(haha).

If that was an MK character you said this about. hoooooly would I feel bad for you, about now.

B) Harley and the Joker would be nothing alike in moves or even character traits, outside psychopathic mental issues. Harley is very acrobatic and nimble. Joker is prancy and very comfortable standing. Don't even get me started on special move differences.

C) There is no such thing as a waste of space, if it is a complete character. It could be a random Gotham Civilian, for all I care. NRS claimed from the beginning, they wanted to pick from a group outside the Iron-Fist-Leaders of the DC universe. Sure, Harley isn't really a wildly obscure pic. But the fact that a few people are saying what they are saying, is proof that they indeed reached there goal of "a few some people wouldn't want or expect" all while fleshing them out.

D) Netherrealm straight up knew that people would expect her, because of MKDC. They likely had fun making her and wanted us to see what they worked on. I'm willing to bet my face that this is a new physical design. But her Specials make me wonder. That weird box reminds me of Quan's Dmg/Regen. Could be similar. Her "laying stance" can be cancelled into a few different moves, much like Joker's cloud in MKDC. I'm betting some of these specials were taken right from their MKDC drawing board. A nearly complete character, sitting right in front of them. Also remember. They worked closely with DC on every character, in MKDC. It very well could have been DC that said "Lets use that untouched content we created. We liked that".

A waste? no, sir. Respectively. Not by a long shot. A great move to prevent fan backlash and get this crazy bitch, into the game.

Thank you, NRS.

Harley was actually supposed to be in MkvsDCU along with Quan Chi. So it wasn't a waste bro. She was already Entitled to her spot. I do think this game will redeem her entirely for Injustice. She definitely belongs. Just ask Mr. J.. lol.

Yeah I know that she was supposed to be in MKvsDC. I should have put a smiley in my previous post, I'm not really upset she's in the game. It's just that I'd switch her or The Joker for some other characters I like more. :p

But whatever, my girl Selina is already in and she's looking fierce so I'm happy.

I just went threw most of the code if its fake bravo to the person that made it. That much code would take weeks to write.

I'm really starting to think that it is real

I've never even herd of Manchester Black. I have some Googleing to do

I'm just going to go on record and say, anybody that's in this game, is in it for a good reason. They deserve their spot, for one reason or another. If they didn't, they wouldn't be in the game. They aren't putting people in just to have them in. They want to offer the best roster possible, meeting their criteria:

1) Recognizability
-Do people recognize this person? Starting from the most casual of fan, to the most hardcore, making sure to include the most recognizable first and aforemost. They have to sell the game, and this is the biggest factor in doing so.

2) Story Potential
-Does this person have built in relationships with other characters in the game? It's kind of hard to write a good story if none of the characters have any sort of history with each other. The more material to draw from, usually the better. It pretty much writes itself. The character also has to have some sort of purpose. If the character isn't known for doing much, they probably aren't going to make the main roster.

3) Obscure
-They want to surprise us with a couple characters that aren't super mainstream, but still have a decent enough of a fanbase or story potential to warrant their inclusion. They don't want everyone to be predictable, so you need a couple wild cards.

So nobody should be saying any character doesn't deserve their spot, and that's including any Batman character. Harley is qualified in the first 2 criteria. She is one of the most popular female characters in DC comics, and comics altogether, and she's only been around for 20 years. Her fanbase is ridiculously huge. She also has great story potential, because she has interactions with a good chunk of the Justice League, and plenty of built in history with Joker and Batman specifically. Plus, she's just an easy character to write. She can mock any hero, play her tricks, and ramp up the craziness no matter who is the target.

There's not a single character revealed on the roster, that doesn't deserve it. I would love to explain each character individually, if someone is still under the mindset that someone is a wasted/undeserved inclusion.