Noob vs. Sub- Custom Stuff
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posted07/01/2006 05:22 AM (UTC)by
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Ekule
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The Noob and Sub sprite are made from Scorpion sprites. The background is obviously Kahns cave with alot of work done to it. Feedback is appreciated.



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NickScryer
06/23/2006 07:34 AM (UTC)
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Nice!! 5/5
Love all the editing done to it.
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UltimateRyu
06/23/2006 12:16 PM (UTC)
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Good stuff, it's very charming. I love the modified Cave BG and how you added the element of water. Are those reflections on the walls? Looks real good.

+BG
+sub sprite
+blood
=Noob sprite
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06/23/2006 12:30 PM (UTC)
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The background is a bit messy but the sprites look good. 4/5
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Ninja_Mime
06/23/2006 01:13 PM (UTC)
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The only thing I don't like is that bar underneath the names.
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Hikari715
06/23/2006 01:25 PM (UTC)
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I like it. The BG, sprites, blood and the lifebars look good. I don't like the bar underneath the lifebars. 4.5/5
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SubMan799
06/23/2006 01:26 PM (UTC)
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Looks fantastic. The only thing I don't like is how Noob is hard to see because of the BG. 4/5
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BOMBSnFISTS
06/23/2006 01:47 PM (UTC)
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The spear underneath the lifebars seems uneccessary. Also something in the bottom corners would be good. I like it a lot tho nice work.
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skorpionrulz
06/23/2006 03:02 PM (UTC)
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this is pretty good. spear at the bottom would look better. 5/5 i love the noob sprite
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06/23/2006 03:06 PM (UTC)
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Are you starting a new series called custom stuff,or is that just the title.

I love this fake.7/10

Cant wait to see more of the sinister series.
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Ekule
06/23/2006 04:23 PM (UTC)
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I liked out Noob meshed with the dark BG, he is suppose to be a shadow character right?

Custom Stuff is not a series, I just didnt make a Sinister Series fake so i didnt want to call it that. If you see custom stuff then it means its non-sinister series,

The bar underneath.... i knew alot of people wouldnt like it, but Ive never done life bars before so i wanted too do something a bit different. You win some you lose some.

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06/24/2006 10:41 PM (UTC)
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Dude thats badass, I give all of it a 5/5.
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06/29/2006 05:45 AM (UTC)
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1/5
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Ekule
06/29/2006 06:58 AM (UTC)
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wtf... a 1/5 with no explenation... just plain WTF and everyone else is high scoring it... dude explain yourself.
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06/29/2006 04:12 PM (UTC)
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I don't have to explain shit. Plain and simple. BUT, since ur the fake maker I will. The background is some basic Photoshop stuff, its not that great of a background. The Noob Sprite is just a freaking shadow with a face and blue eyes, anybody can do that in a second. The best part of your fake is the cut and some of the blood. The ripped part of the costume on sub doesn't even look like a rip but more of a design of the costume (its too smooth). Its not great. I'm not like the rest of these people who will give a 5/5 or 4/5 just because it looks good. I'm looking at it in a different perspective. I could make that fake in less than an hour (but I won't, I retired from making fakes). Its nothing new, nothing fantastic about this fake. Basic. Plain and simple. Happy now? Don't expect me to type this long for your next one. I will continue to just give scores just as a person who says 5/5 can get away with it, I can and WILL as well. Just to let you know, alot of these people who are giving high scores aren't good at fakes. I'm not the one in the wrong, they are because they are making you think you are doing a great job when in reality, you are not. If you tried to pull this fake out say around 2002 or 2001, you would get 0/5s and 1/5s. These people nowadays don't know what is good and what isn't.
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Ekule
06/29/2006 04:31 PM (UTC)
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\Well that is a good point. I have been here a long time also. Slowly becoming a vetern to this site. However, it is nice to explain why your score is so far off from all the other ones, and thank you for doing so. You dnt have to be so anal about it.

-Ekule
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06/29/2006 04:31 PM (UTC)
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Sub-Zedox Wrote:
I don't have to explain shit. Plain and simple. BUT, since ur the fake maker I will. The background is some basic Photoshop stuff, its not that great of a background. The Noob Sprite is just a freaking shadow with a face and blue eyes, anybody can do that in a second. The best part of your fake is the cut and some of the blood. The ripped part of the costume on sub doesn't even look like a rip but more of a design of the costume (its too smooth).

Its not great. I'm not like the rest of these people who will give a 5/5 or 4/5 just because it looks good. I'm looking at it in a different perspective. I could make that fake in less than an hour (but I won't, I retired from making fakes). Its nothing new, nothing fantastic about this fake. Basic. Plain and simple. Happy now? Don't expect me to type this long for your next one. I will continue to just give scores just as a person who says 5/5 can get away with it, I can and WILL as well.

Just to let you know, alot of these people who are giving high scores aren't good at fakes. I'm not the one in the wrong, they are because they are making you think you are doing a great job when in reality, you are not. If you tried to pull this fake out say around 2002 or 2001, you would get 0/5s and 1/5s. These people nowadays don't know what is good and what isn't.


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06/29/2006 05:26 PM (UTC)
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I have to be anal about it because I've been saying this thing for the past 2 years basically. I'm tired of it. If you get offended by the way I speak, that's on you. Its just the damn internet, I'm not gonna come and kill you. This is the way I am. I am a nice person if you really get to know me (go to the MKChatroom I'm there all the time). Its just that I don't understand why fakes have downgraded as soon as a number of people who have been here a while (I'm not saying veterans, I can care less about that "title") left for a moment, the shit started all over. Its just frustration on my part.


There are some people here that are decent and some people who use textures from the actual game to get that look (basically, a MaxDam type of fake) but really isn't their work. Then there are the newcomers to the scene who are just left in the dark. Then there are the graders, the horrible graders that give anything a 5/5 or 4/5. These people lead the newcomers to believe that what they are doing is the right way and looks good when in reality it isn't. Then there are people like me who sees this and will give you the score you deserve. You get confused because its not what eveyrone else is saying and you don't know why because what you were led to believe that it looks good. I don't blame you, I blame the graders because they are not giving you the right deal. I'm bored right now that's why I have the time to type this. I hope I don't have to type it again but I know I will have to
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Ekule
06/29/2006 05:43 PM (UTC)
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first off dont talk to me like im a 1st grader, all I ever asked for was an explenation of why you gave the score. I dont mind it all. I will only get better from criticism, not false scores. I just like a little feedback when I get a score thats all. And if you are that damn good, and that much of a damn vetern that6 you "retired"... then you will know it is nice to get an explenation from scorers, especially ones with seemingly radicle scores. Now, lets throw away that peice of whatever you wrote right up there ^ and pretend we are now on the same page, I will take what you said into consideration, as much as any of the other "graders" posted, no more no less. I will continue to post my fakes, and I will expect you to grade as you see fit... just with a short explenation if you wouldnt mind, I would like to get better.

You should try to get others to do better, not just talk down on what they do.

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06/29/2006 08:09 PM (UTC)
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Sub-Zedox Wrote:
I have to be anal about it because I've been saying this thing for the past 2 years basically. I'm tired of it. If you get offended by the way I speak, that's on you. Its just the damn internet, I'm not gonna come and kill you. This is the way I am. I am a nice person if you really get to know me (go to the MKChatroom I'm there all the time). Its just that I don't understand why fakes have downgraded as soon as a number of people who have been here a while (I'm not saying veterans, I can care less about that "title") left for a moment, the shit started all over. Its just frustration on my part.


There are some people here that are decent and some people who use textures from the actual game to get that look (basically, a MaxDam type of fake) but really isn't their work. Then there are the newcomers to the scene who are just left in the dark. Then there are the graders, the horrible graders that give anything a 5/5 or 4/5. These people lead the newcomers to believe that what they are doing is the right way and looks good when in reality it isn't. Then there are people like me who sees this and will give you the score you deserve. You get confused because its not what eveyrone else is saying and you don't know why because what you were led to believe that it looks good. I don't blame you, I blame the graders because they are not giving you the right deal. I'm bored right now that's why I have the time to type this. I hope I don't have to type it again but I know I will have to


I should smack you in the face with my keyboard right now just for mentioning me.
YOU more than anyone else know that the texture thing was done in my first fakes and the latest ones (you can count like 5-6 of them) where done paint except the backgounds.
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Ekule
06/30/2006 12:18 AM (UTC)
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obviously you two need to work some things out. to bad Zedox is retired or we could have a .....



FAKE OFF!


no not that lame Nic Cage movie that was FACE OFF!

i mean a FAKE OFF!
i agree with everythinhg sub-zedox said about the fake, its pretty basic fake, and the shadows dont even work, there comming from two differnt directions and they just out of place aswell. the best thing about this is the cut.

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06/30/2006 09:54 AM (UTC)
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Ditto, flash without substance. This fake is elementally plain.

1/5
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UltimateRyu
06/30/2006 12:19 PM (UTC)
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I still dont understand why people judge art on how it was made, it makes no sense. If someone can throw something together in an hour that looks better than something that someone's been working on for 6 months, I dont see anything wrong with that. Biasy is where it all goes wrong
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StonedSour
06/30/2006 12:59 PM (UTC)
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UltimateRyu, the point you seem to be missing with this fake is the fact that it was not only badly edited through overused techniques, and the effects are mostly PS filters..(which you consider to be bias)..

...the fake actually does look like a badly made pile of crap.

Yes, I could make this in 5 minutes. Big deal. Certain fake-makers need to pull their heads out and stop being so damn OTT about their ability.

As for this fake, there's quite a bit I can say to help. For a start, the background is downright ugly. When you make a 'custom fake', it means that basically EVERYTHING is edited, sprites, background..all totally original ideas. You've used an already made background, and added some inappropriate PS effects over the top, which just makes it look over-contrasty and the colours too distracting. Next time, try and start with a Clouds base, add some props, and go from there.

Next off, the composition of the entire top half of the fake is all over the place. Granted, the timer looks pretty nice, but that's about it. And I don't think the 'Round 3' text is needed. It looks cramped, almost unreadable. Would have been nice to see some custom lifebars/win marks, but at least you kept the consistency of the DA theme, despite it being a mostly UMK3 fake. The massive line under the names isn't needed, and the names themselves look pretty ugly.

The blood effect is...awful, to be honest. You would have been better off using some of the pre-made blood from MKW, and then maybe smudging around a bit, as opposed to basically painting blood onto the ground. It's just not very aesthetically pleasing, as far as fakes go. Kudos on the cut/dripping blood on the back though, that's good work.

Finally, the sprites themselves don't really show any editing whatsoever. The Sub-Zero is just a very intense Scorpion color change, it's almost purple to me (lol, colorblindness). And the Noob is yet another badly executed colour swap. Would have been nice to see some new ideas for these characters, eh?

All in all, a fairly sloppy fake. With a lot more time and effort, this fake could be really nice. Points to consider:

- Better blood.
- More action.
- A better organised set of lifebars/names.
- A little more editing.
- Less cheap PS background effects.

1.5/5

I'm sure you're capable of more.
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