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02/22/2013 05:09 PM EST
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RE: Fan Submission: Torch concept
02/24/2013 07:48 PM EST
It's just Liu Kang on fire
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RE: Fan Submission: Torch concept
02/24/2013 08:13 PM EST
mwgrant0 Wrote:
It's just Liu Kang on fire


You didn't expect originality and/or creativity from him, did you?

I suppose it's fine since it was meant to be a recreation of the "old school" Torch.

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RE: Fan Submission: Torch concept
02/24/2013 08:23 PM EST
blacksaibot Wrote:
mwgrant0 Wrote:
It's just Liu Kang on fire


You didn't expect originality and/or creativity from him, did you?

I suppose it's fine since it was meant to be a recreation of the "old school" Torch.


Rude...

It says torch, specifically old school, not blaze, and thats what he drew.
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RE: Fan Submission: Torch concept
02/24/2013 08:53 PM EST
saiZero Wrote:
blacksaibot Wrote:
mwgrant0 Wrote:
It's just Liu Kang on fire


You didn't expect originality and/or creativity from him, did you?

I suppose it's fine since it was meant to be a recreation of the "old school" Torch.


Rude...

It says torch, specifically old school, not blaze, and thats what he drew.

I guess, but he could add some things that would make it it's own character not just a rip-off.
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RE: Fan Submission: Torch concept
02/24/2013 09:09 PM EST
saiZero Wrote:
It says torch, specifically old school, not blaze, and thats what he drew.

Did he draw it? Kind of looks like a Hero Machine thing.
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RE: Fan Submission: Torch concept
02/24/2013 09:10 PM EST
Jerrod Wrote:
Did he draw it? Kind of looks like a Hero Machine thing.


I wouldn't doubt it.

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RE: Fan Submission: Torch concept
02/24/2013 09:39 PM EST
Jerrod Wrote:
saiZero Wrote:
It says torch, specifically old school, not blaze, and thats what he drew.

Did he draw it? Kind of looks like a Hero Machine thing.


It is a product of Hero Machine. The guy can't even properly cut and paste the MK logo onto a solid black background, so I doubt that he's capable of hand-drawing anything even half as adequate as these amateurish Hero Machine designs. It looks like he took a box of crayons filled with nothing but fall colors and haplessly scribbled between the lines until this putrid pile of human-shaped shit came to be.

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RE: Fan Submission: Torch concept
02/25/2013 12:10 PM EST
I absolutely used HeroMachine. It's a neat little tool to play around with that's great for expressing concepts. Here, I took that miniature sprite of Torch in the Pit II background and give it life. Part of the charm was keeping the aesthetic of the old school look, however unoriginal it may so be.

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It looks like he took a box of crayons filled with nothing but fall colors and haplessly scribbled between the lines until this putrid pile of human-shaped shit came to be.

Please don't bore us with the details of your birth. sleep

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RE: Fan Submission: Torch concept
02/25/2013 02:44 PM EST
I hate Hero Machine submissions.
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RE: Fan Submission: Torch concept
02/25/2013 04:35 PM EST
Now, I wouldn't really submit artwork made from HeroMachine as it isn't really YOUR artwork. You've put together some pre-made models to make a design for you. HeroMachine is indeed a neat little toy, but I would never claim the artwork as my own by submitting it in my name.

HeroMachine is good for when you aren't good at drawing, but wish to show a simple comicbook hero design of a character. And that is what you have done here, as shown, but... I don't find it fitting to submit as fanart in your own name. However, that is just my opinion on the matter.

Other than that... as said above... It's just Liu Kang on fire. Sorry, but it is not really all that impressive or original. None the less, a cute tribute to the original Torch character of MK2's Pit stage.
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RE: Fan Submission: Torch concept
02/26/2013 12:57 PM EST
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Now, I wouldn't really submit artwork made from HeroMachine as it isn't really YOUR artwork. You've put together some pre-made models to make a design for you. HeroMachine is indeed a neat little toy, but I would never claim the artwork as my own by submitting it in my name.

HeroMachine is good for when you aren't good at drawing, but wish to show a simple comicbook hero design of a character. And that is what you have done here, as shown, but... I don't find it fitting to submit as fanart in your own name. However, that is just my opinion on the matter.

Other than that... as said above... It's just Liu Kang on fire. Sorry, but it is not really all that impressive or original. None the less, a cute tribute to the original Torch character of MK2's Pit stage.


You bring up some good points here. Perhaps I can prefix the titles of this series with "Hero Machine:" Tremor/Torch/etc Concept. I could also add it in the author comments.

You could also argue that doing this is the same as constructing a fake. Both are using premade resources to express a concept.

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RE: Fan Submission: Torch concept
02/27/2013 08:20 PM EST
I know what everyone means by it just being a Liu Kang on fire... but that's exactly what Blaze (or Torch) was back in Mortal Kombat 2. One could argue that you should have done SOMETHING different with him (besides the flames) but I won't give you too much heat for it.

You should definitely clarify that it's a Heromachine thing from now on, and you best make it in the title. If people are looking for hand-drawn or made-from-scratch work, I can see how they might get annoyed if they just see a Heromachine character. The difference between this and a fake is that a fake (at least a fake worth looking at) has edited and customized character sprites and backgrounds that are unique to that artist. Also, fakes tend to acknowledge that they're fakes in the title (which, as I said, is something you should do with Hermochine).

But to be honest, you should really start drawing. If you're not good, practice; see what people look like, get proportions and shading down, and just draw your ideas instead of relying on Heromachine to have what you're looking for. It'll take time, but your submissions will be more unique and the possibilities will be pretty much endless.
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RE: Fan Submission: Torch concept
02/27/2013 10:48 PM EST
There was a surge of Hero Machine art back in 2005

Just because not everyone is using Hero Machine is no reason to attack people. Ultimateryu has always been looked down upon because he doesn't do 2d sprite art, like most of us. Everyone has different styles, and ideas they try.

I wish I had the time to read people's text fanfics. I don't usually comment on hand drawn stuff either, because some people's crappy drawings make my eyes hurt. I'm not gonna be mean, and tell them that. I just don't comment. If a kid doodles a bunch of stuff, are they going to understand a critique? I don't want to come off as an ass, just for pointing out a few flaws. Some people can't take critiques well.



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RE: Fan Submission: Torch concept
02/28/2013 07:53 AM EST
Tetra_Vega Wrote:
... Ultimateryu has always been looked down upon because he doesn't do 2d sprite art, like most of us. Everyone has different styles, and ideas they try....


Wrong AGAIN Tetra. We look down on UltimateRyu because he insults (not just critiques) people who do better sprite editing work and custom special effects when all he does is resize renders/screen shots, cut and pastes them, and then smears around a bunch of pre-rendered tubes/effects from an art program. He used to be highly respected until he became highly lazy and arrogant for no good reason. Then to make up for it he trolls around here starting arguments for the fuck of it and giving biased opinions. I have no problem telling UR one of his older, more creative fakes are good. Now ask him to do the same for me or Veno (which no longer counts seeing as how I am now calling him out for it).

Two other colleagues of mine and I actually tracked down some (respectable; meaning they actually had talent or real potential) fake artists in other forums who left this community and have admitted UR is the reason they left and I don't blame them. It's hilarious to even believe that it was me or VenoMark who caused so many to leave considering we both were banned for a long time and while we were gone, this forum was dying by the day. There was no one to put pompous pricks in their place anymore.

If what we do and how we do it is so wrong, then explain why and how saizero who made some of the shittiest fakes is now rising to the top at an exponential rate. Because of pure grade-A assholes, I have to try and beg promising newcomers like goobiedoob and acidic-saurian to come back. NOT LIKE THEY'LL LOG IN ANYMORE TO SEE THE PM.

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RE: Fan Submission: Torch concept
02/28/2013 10:45 AM EST
blacksaibot Wrote: "That is all."

Your wall of assumption is nothing but that. You tell me who I drove off this forum. Yea, I don't think so buddy. I give compliments and credit where due including many of your fakes BS. I don't play into you and Veno's agenda against me so it just makes you more upset. I've got more sense than that. if you're into grade school bullying, fine. I'm not going to try and change you but don't think for a second it will stop me from speaking my mind.

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RE: Fan Submission: Torch concept
02/28/2013 11:14 AM EST
UltimateRyu Wrote:
Your wall of assumption is nothing but that. You tell me who I drove off this forum. Yea, I don't think so buddy. I give compliments and credit where due including many of your fakes BS. I don't play into you and Veno's agenda against me so it just makes you more upset. I've got more sense than that. if you're into grade school bullying, fine. I'm not going to try and change you but don't think for a second it will stop me from speaking my mind.


Our agenda against you? Dude, you've persistently harassed me virtually every time that I've posted something, whether my post involves legitimate and constructive criticism or otherwise. You're argumentative, a glutton for confrontation, and unjustifiably condescending. At least the majority of the messages that blacksaibot and I post involve a great deal of positive information. The same cannot be said in relation to your posts, most of which are littered with pointlessly belligerent nonsense aimed directly at me and/or blacksaibot.

Honestly, if I thought enough of you to be offended by anything that your envy drives you to say, I'd stick a shotgun in my mouth and pull the trigger with my toes. You're as insignificant as a fly that refuses to stop buzzing around my ear; you're nothing but a pest. As such, plenty of users anticipate your inevitable departure. Have fun while it lasts, because I can assure you that, should you continue this spree of spiteful behavior, you won't be around much longer.

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RE: Fan Submission: Torch concept
02/28/2013 03:22 PM EST
I want us all to be friends. A supporting community.

If theres one thing i want its that... not even to be the best around here. Fakes need to be fun again.

I wish ppl like goobie and acidic werent runoff.

Mwgrant has expressed his interest in fakes and maybe we should make an official sprite editing FAQ thread so ppl arent so intimidated. If i didnt have brass ovaries i would have ran off too but not everyone cap appreciate harsh critics.

UR, BS, Veno. Put your past behind. If u have to pretend each other dont exist then fine. Just no more from u three... please. Its a turn off and i mean that nonsexually.
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RE: Fan Submission: Torch concept
02/28/2013 03:29 PM EST
saiZero Wrote:
UR, BS, Veno. Put your past behind. If u have to pretend each other dont exist then fine. Just no more from u three... please. Its a turn off and i mean that nonsexually.


Fair enough.

saiZero Wrote:
Mwgrant has expressed his interest in fakes and maybe we should make an official sprite editing FAQ thread so ppl arent so intimidated. If i didnt have brass ovaries i would have ran off too but not everyone cap appreciate harsh critics.


I am busy working on my fake entry and that's taking all my free time (as if I even had that much). So tutorials are out of the question plus my upcoming family "issues" will prevent future participation in fake making.

SO it's up to you guys for this one. I am more than happy to post all my sprite progression pictures. Typing up a pretty step by step tutorial is out of the question.

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RE: Fan Submission: Torch concept
02/28/2013 04:04 PM EST
Thanks for filling in the other side of the issue, I don't always see eveything. I just see random bickering back & forth. There was a time when everyone made decent fakes n stuff. I remember a few of Veno's fakes, n people mentioning his old stuff... even back then. I always wondered why he wasn't around anymore.

I still have time to improve my FPK entry, I took some lazy steps, and forgot a couple details, but I don't care. Perfection is unattainable, and I don't wanna feel like I'm nagging Veno with updates.

I want to get back in the game, but I'm weary of posting images incase they get shrunk.



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RE: Fan Submission: Torch concept
02/28/2013 04:13 PM EST
Well, you guys do provide some entertainment when you start to go at eachother.
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RE: Fan Submission: Torch concept
02/28/2013 08:41 PM EST
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Well, you guys do provide some entertainment when you start to go at eachother.


You and I seem to have very different tastes.

UltimateRyu, if you got one thing out of this, let it be to put "Hero Machine" in the title if that's what you used to make the thing.
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RE: Fan Submission: Torch concept
02/28/2013 09:13 PM EST
saiZero Wrote:
UR, BS, Veno. Put your past behind. If u have to pretend each other dont exist then fine. Just no more from u three... please. Its a turn off and i mean that nonsexually.


Actually, about 30 minutes after my last reply, I sent a private message to UltimateRyu suggesting that we set aside our differences and let bygones be bygones.

I completely understand how it could be a bit off-putting when you open virtually every thread and see that UltimateRyu and I are at each other's throats. I did my best to ignore him, but I suppose that, at times, my testosterone would get the better of me and I would end up adding more fuel to the fire.

As long as he abides by our agreement and refrains from provoking me, I'll continue to meet the terms of our truce and abstain from unleashing my staple ego-blistering insults. I can't predict the future, but given that it seems that he's genuinely interested in shelving this petty feud, I don't foresee this senseless quarrel recurring anytime soon.

Tetra_Vega Wrote:
I still have time to improve my FPK entry, I took some lazy steps, and forgot a couple details, but I don't care. Perfection is unattainable, and I don't wanna feel like I'm nagging Veno with updates.


Trust me when I say that I won't be the least bit aggravated if you repeatedly send me updates as you continue to improve upon your entry. The deadline isn't for another six days, so make as many adjustments as you deem necessary.

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RE: Fan Submission: Torch concept
02/28/2013 11:55 PM EST
johnny1up Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Well, you guys do provide some entertainment when you start to go at eachother.


You and I seem to have very different tastes.


Well, it's the same reason why I enjoy watching wrestling matches from time to time...
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