And I am very strictly believe, that retcon is not only changing, but also adding stuff, where it's obvious that it was not supposed to be there initially.
I guess, we can agree to disagree here.


I am sorry, but this sounds kind of offensive and dare I say stupid. It's like saying I should be sorry for the people who doesn't like sci-fi. Everyone have their own different tastes and there is no need to be sorry, when somebody doesn't like what you like.


I HATE this kind of stuff. I also dislike comedies about "nerds". Both contains so much tropes and cliches, that my teeth hurt. For the same reason I avoid dramas in general. I like to watch something that can catch my imagination and etntertain my brains, but 12192th drama about teenagers is definitely not something like that. Besides, if I want drama, I can watch news or just live in the real world.

Also, you're right, when you said, that MK is partially similar to the fantasy setting. At least how it goes nowadays. Back in the day, when MK was more rooted in our world (MK-MK3) I liked the series more. Then, when it started to become more like fantasy world, I started to like it a bit less. Nevertheless, unlike generic fantasy with kinghts, orcs and elves, MK has lots of interesting characters. Because of that my interest in MK'verse is still strong.


She was agresive warrior with ugly face. Enough personality for the minor character. Given how much screentime she had in MKL2 and the fact that she was killed there, I think she had enough personlity. Maybe if somehow she will be ressurected, then I guess they have chance to portray her with "modern MK" approach.


I haven't questioned canon information about characters. I (rightfully, I believe) questioned your conclusions about them, that somewhat went into fanfiction territory.


More like depends on the writing. But i's shallow semantics on my part.

I have a friend who doesn't like sci-fi and I DO feel sorry for her because as a result, she tends to get left out most of the time we all go to see movies. She doesn't play video games either, except occasionally Minecraft, which again, causes her to be discluded from the group sometimes. She's the girlfriend/mother-of-his-child of a dude I've known for a long time, which is kinda the only reason she's even part of the group, but we all enjoy her company and wish she were around more, and she doesn't really have any friends of her own to hang out with instead...but sometimes she has to stay home and take care of the baby while the rest of us get to go out and have fun, because for her, it wouldn't be that fun.
And that's sad to me. We can't share more stuff with her and include her more often.
By the same token, it makes me a little sad that I can't share some things I like, that are relevant to the discussion we've been having, with you. Because I don't want to be on opposite sides of arguments all the time. You're not my enemy or my rival or something. I wish we could understand each other better. But it seems like that's not going to happen.



The fantasy stuff started in MK2. Outworld is where everything is fantasy. (Although technically, the only thing that's NOT fantasy in MK1 is Sonya, Kano, and Johnny...I mean, it's not like there's any cars or telephone poles on Shang's island and we are talking about a lot of sorcery, guys whose fashion sense hasn't changed since Ancient Japan, and a four armed guy who's "half-dragon".)



I would not have used the word "enough". But that's me.
Hell, I still don't think, to this day, that Baraka has enough of a personality.


Except that I can and did back up everything I said as never having gone into fan fiction territory. I simply described canon stuff in a very wordy way. Perhaps too wordy at times, which I admitted, but that's all. I didn't really make anything up. I turned the sentence "People can relate to Shang's motivation" into a paragraph about WHY people fear old age and you somehow saw that as talking about Shang in a way the games don't back up. Same thing with Kung Lao being driven by revenge instead of acting much like a monk in MK2. Your logic doesn't really make sense there.
Sometimes I DO speculate, sure, but I always know when I'm doing it and I always SAY I'm doing it. Like if someone said "What's Shao Kahn's origin?" I'd be all "Well according to Deception, he used to be the Raiden of Outworld and then one day he went crazy and decided he'd rather be a king than a protector and usurped the throne from Onaga." Which is true. And then if you asked me "Well what was he god of?" or "Why did he go crazy?" I always go "Well the games never said, but here's what I THINK it might, or should, be based on the way he acts." And that's different from anything I said in this thread.
At any rate, it seems like we've run out of stuff to argue about here. It all just comes down to "you have your opinion and I have mine". No offense, but thank God for that. I was getting kinda bored of this, we've been at it for like half a week.

I don't think of you as "enemy" or "rival" either. For me you're just another person on internet, who I happen to talk with. And that's it.


I meant general atmosphere and story, not elements of the setting. Besides, MK1 hardly could be caled a fantasy in any shape or form. It is stereotypical action story with fantasy elements from 80s. MK3 is pretty much a steretypical 90s action with fantasy elements, but not fantasy itself. MK2 is the only one who could called fantasy-like.

The story of classic MK games was about conflict between regular (for the most part) people and Outworld monsters. Humans from Earth were distinctly modern and heavily contrasted with creatures from another worlds. From MK4-MKDA onward it was lost and humans became just another heroes of the story, who could be easily replaced by some Edenians or Outworlders.


I stand my ground, that you went too far with your own ideas and started use them as an argument in the discussion about canon. But you're right, we will never come to agreement about that.