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Vali-Ent
02/27/2012 09:25 AM (UTC)
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GlockXIII Wrote:
They're half Cryo-mancer and half American. Cryo-Mancer is not a real race, so they're just American.


Yeah, that's the logical choice right there. Instead of giving him the obvious Asian background, make him American just because he was portrayed as white in the third game. No one will ask why there aren't any ninja clans in America.

Did you know Johnny Cage was portrayed by a Mexican in the first two games? So was Raiden. That must automatically mean they're Mexican, right?
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GlockXIII
02/27/2012 05:50 PM (UTC)
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Sweetre15 Wrote:
GlockXIII Wrote:
Sweetre15 Wrote:
GlockXIII Wrote:
What's with all the Asian fan choices for Sub-Zero? Isn't he supposed to be American? Also, about half of the cast should just be stunt men is costumes with voice overs.


- Both subzeros are Asian-American but got abducted by the Lin Kuei..hence why their names are Kaui Liang and Bi-Han

- Nah it's best to get actors that can actually act, look the part, and do the moves.

American doesn't instantly equal Caucasian btw.
They're half Cryo-mancer and half American. Cryo-Mancer is not a real race, so they're just American.

I think it'll be cheaper and better for heavily computerized costumed characters like Ermac, Baraka, and Shao Kahn are played by stuntmen with the likeness of a professional actor for their voice talents and facial features, instead of unknown martial artists with low acting ability(80% of the Legacy cast.)


Dude...what are you on?

America is NOT a race either it's a frickin nationality and yes they are obviously asian or their names wouldnt be Kaui Liang or Bi-Han...The cryomancers still have ethnicities regardless of the semantics you're trying to argue here.
What am I on? Oh I snort heroin before I jump on MKO, didn't you know that? And no, they're not Asian, Sub-Zero is always played by a white guy (besides MK I & II where he is played by an Hispanic) and his profile says he's half American. Even the retcon MK9, Sub-Zero is voiced by a white guy and he also looks looks white in his Unmasked costume. Also look at his Unmasked form in Deadly Alliance. He's white, deal with it.
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02/27/2012 07:23 PM (UTC)
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So the song lied twice? He's neither a ninja, nor is he Chinese? dang.
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balkcsiaboot
02/28/2012 12:16 AM (UTC)
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I think I've read enough. Fans really suck at casting.
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Sweetre15
02/28/2012 01:12 AM (UTC)
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GlockXIII Wrote:
Sweetre15 Wrote:
GlockXIII Wrote:
Sweetre15 Wrote:
GlockXIII Wrote:
What's with all the Asian fan choices for Sub-Zero? Isn't he supposed to be American? Also, about half of the cast should just be stunt men is costumes with voice overs.


- Both subzeros are Asian-American but got abducted by the Lin Kuei..hence why their names are Kaui Liang and Bi-Han

- Nah it's best to get actors that can actually act, look the part, and do the moves.

American doesn't instantly equal Caucasian btw.
They're half Cryo-mancer and half American. Cryo-Mancer is not a real race, so they're just American.

I think it'll be cheaper and better for heavily computerized costumed characters like Ermac, Baraka, and Shao Kahn are played by stuntmen with the likeness of a professional actor for their voice talents and facial features, instead of unknown martial artists with low acting ability(80% of the Legacy cast.)


Dude...what are you on?

America is NOT a race either it's a frickin nationality and yes they are obviously asian or their names wouldnt be Kaui Liang or Bi-Han...The cryomancers still have ethnicities regardless of the semantics you're trying to argue here.
What am I on? Oh I snort heroin before I jump on MKO, didn't you know that? And no, they're not Asian, Sub-Zero is always played by a white guy (besides MK I & II where he is played by an Hispanic) and his profile says he's half American. Even the retcon MK9, Sub-Zero is voiced by a white guy and he also looks looks white in his Unmasked costume. Also look at his Unmasked form in Deadly Alliance. He's white, deal with it.



Once again You're arguing semantics because American is NOT a race it's a damn nationality.

I find it funny that you try to ignore the fact that he's a Chinese Cryomancer just because the Cryomancer aspect isn't real but you're quick to argue in favor of the American Aspect when it's not a damn race it's a nationality. If any race qualified to be considered American by default it would be the Native American Indians.

For more proof that the Subzero brothers are asian, look at the MK9 story trailer and stop at 0:16: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUSgt_UYsbc&feature;=relmfu

Does that not count because it doesnt fit within your bullshit semantics?





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GlockXIII
02/28/2012 01:40 AM (UTC)
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I like how you ignored the fact that Sub-Zero character models are based off white guys, and has white voice actors. Cryomancer is not Chinese, Cryomancer isn't a even a thing, didn't care to watch whatever you posted after you made such a claim. You're clearly autistic. I mean look at you, you're getting hung up over characters that are retconned millions of times. Go to Ed Boon's Twitter and ask him what Sub-Zero's ethnic background if you care so much, I doubt he does.
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Sweetre15
02/28/2012 02:00 AM (UTC)
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GlockXIII Wrote:
I like how you ignored the fact that Sub-Zero character models are based off white guys, and has white voice actors. Cryomancer is not Chinese, Cryomancer isn't a even a thing, didn't care to watch whatever you posted after you made such a claim. You're clearly autistic. I mean look at you, you're getting hung up over characters that are retconned millions of times. Go to Ed Boon's Twitter and ask him what Sub-Zero's ethnic background if you care so much, I doubt he does.


1. You're the blowhard here that's insinuating that anybody casting Asians for the two characters with ASIAN NAMES are wrong because they chose Asian actors for the characters.

2. Regarding the voice actor argument, if you're going to argue that you might as well argue that Bart Simpson isn't a male character because he has a female voice actor.

3. Regarding the mocap actor argument, Johnny Cage is hispanic due to the mocap actor being hispanic which is not the case.

4. Since you purposefully disregarded the video, I'll show the pic I was talking about from the official MK9 story trailer that supports my claim: http://tinyurl.com/75ga47h

5. It makes me laugh that the person ignoring obvious signs of the character's actual ethnicity due to ignorance is quick to call someone autistic.. Think before you form conclusions on someone's mental health. Hey at least I gave you the benefit of the doubt and asked you what you were on. .tongue

Also, Since you wanna be an obnoxious smartass, look at Subzero's ending in MK2 where he is unmasked....once again Asian.lol: http://ui04.gamespot.com/1251/end2sub_2.gif
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GlockXIII
02/28/2012 02:47 AM (UTC)
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You didn't even address all all my points. You also didn't even get the gist of my biggest point which is WHO THE HELL CARES. You also missed another of my points which was the MK story gets retconned every chance it gets. The last picture from Subs ending refers to the MK tournament as a Shao lin tournament, it's way much more than that currently, you see the retcon?

Why the hell are we arguing about a fictional character's ethnicity? If you can't see how ridiculous this is, then yeah bro, get checked for autism. Don't bother replying, I'm not even gonna read it.
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Sweetre15
02/28/2012 02:55 AM (UTC)
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GlockXIII Wrote:
You didn't even address all all my points. You also didn't even get the gist of my biggest point which is WHO THE HELL CARES. You also missed another of my points which was the MK story gets retconned every chance it gets. The last picture from Subs ending refers to the MK tournament as a Shao lin tournament, it's way much more than that currently, you see the retcon?

Why the hell are we arguing about a fictional character's ethnicity? If you can't see how ridiculous this is, then yeah bro, get checked for autism. Don't bother replying, I'm not even gonna read it.


If you didn't care why did you complain about the Asian fancasts in the first place?
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Vali-Ent
02/28/2012 07:11 AM (UTC)
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GlockXIII Wrote:
You didn't even address all all my points. You also didn't even get the gist of my biggest point which is WHO THE HELL CARES.


Someone obviously cares enough to get all uppedy and caps lock-ish about it...

It doesn't matter what they retcon; Sub-Zero is Asian. Your argument is holier than The Vatican. And its laced with so many logical fallacies that it can't even be taken seriously.

Sub-Zero is Asian; you get over it. I agree with one of the above posters; a lot of fans do make the worst casting choices.
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damienjakk
02/28/2012 01:23 PM (UTC)
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blacksaibot Wrote:
I think I've read enough. Fans really suck at casting.


Pretty much. Ever see the God of War movie threads? To play Kratos people always suggest Vin Diesel, Steve Austin, etc. You know, cause they're like...bald dudes....with muscles.....so ummm, they should like totally play the part.
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Noobsmoke92
03/02/2012 12:26 PM (UTC)
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Well,I think,Matt Mullins and Michael Jai White will reprise their roles as Johnny and Jax respectively,which is good,considering they are not bad actors and VERY good martial artists. Probably Darren Shahlavi will return as Kano,but not sure.

As for the rest MK1 cast,I personally want Hiroyuki Sanada for Shang Tsung,I don't think there is anybody who looks better and who will play better than him,plus he knows martial arts.

Ian Anthony Dale's Scorpion is okay for me,but I don't want him to be silent spectre like in Rebirth,so he gotta change something.

As for Sonya,NO JERI RYAN PLEASE! I love her,she is great,but too old for the role,even Legacy showed us that. No hell Sonya is older looking than Jax. Katheryn Winnick is PERFECT for the role: the looks,the acting and very good martial arts.

For Raiden,I don't even know who to cast,but I want that Lambert style Raiden back,with sarcasm.Anybody who can pull it off is good in my books. Let this guy Ryan Robbins to try it,he doesn't look bad as Raiden.

Liu Kang - well,I don't think there is anybody who looks MORE like Liu than Shin Koyamada. Just hire the guy,the guy is MADE for this role.

Sub-Zero - Well,for Bi-Han I don't even know who to cast,but I liked that Kevan Ohtsji guy,that asshole Bi-Han that we know from the games and he will probably be good Noob Saibot. fFor Kuai Liang - SCOTT ADKINS! Just imagine him with a scar and there is your second John Turk,or unmasced Sub-Zero! Really guys!
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balkcsiaboot
03/05/2012 10:37 PM (UTC)
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damienjakk Wrote:
blacksaibot Wrote:
I think I've read enough. Fans really suck at casting.


Pretty much. Ever see the God of War movie threads? To play Kratos people always suggest Vin Diesel, Steve Austin, etc. You know, cause they're like...bald dudes....with muscles.....so ummm, they should like totally play the part.


hahaha! As if they couldn't shave another actor's head...
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J1093
03/12/2012 07:38 AM (UTC)
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Liu Kang- Karl Yune
Johnny Cage- Matt Mullins
Sonya- Leah Pipes
Jax- Michael Jai White
Raiden- Simon Northwood, Daniel Craig or Thomas Jane
Scorpion- Ian Anthony Dale
Sub-Zero/Bi-Han- Kevin Ohtsji
Kano- Darren Shahlavi
Kung Lao- Jason Tobin or Johnny Yong Bosch
Goro- Tyler Mane
Baraka- Michael Mckay
Kitana- Rachele Brooke Smith
John Lone- Old Shang Tsung
Reptile- Jared Turner
Ermac- Jason David Frank
Young Shang Tsung- Johnson Phan
Shao Kahn- Ray Stevenson or Brian Steele
Quan Chi- Criss Angel
Young sub-zero- Rick Yune
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wdm6789
03/12/2012 11:53 PM (UTC)
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I really like Rachele Brooke Smith for Kitana also

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johnnythao
07/24/2012 02:13 AM (UTC)
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I like other people's opinions on choice of casting, but sometimes you just need an Asian person to cast the Asian characters correctly. Along with some of the other ones.

Cast.

Mark Dacascos as Raiden
Andy On as Liu Kang
Matt Mullins as Johnny Cage
Michael Jai White as Jax Briggs
Katheryn Winnick as Sonya Blade
Ian Anthony Dale as Hasashi Hanzo/Scorpion
Kevan Ohtsji as Kuai Liang/Sub-Zero
Kristen Kreuk as Kitana/Mileena
Megan Fox as Jade
Scott Adkins as Smoke
Bi Rain as Rain
Channing Tatum as Stryker

This is as much idea as I got so far, because I don't have any other suggestions for the other characters yet.
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damienjakk
07/30/2012 03:39 PM (UTC)
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Hahahaha, what a fucking awful list. That should be a PSA for why fans should NEVER be allowed to be involved in the production of a movie. Ray Park, John Cena, Vin Diesel, The Rock, Maggie Q.....Jesus Christ I know it's fan fiction but do they want these movies to fail?
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Noobsmoke92
08/02/2012 01:05 AM (UTC)
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Okay,maybe I am reaching here,but my dream of Celina Jade probably playing Kitana might actually become reality. She has all the looks of Edenian Princess (better than Sam Thjia in Legacy Season 1) and speaks perfect English,plus her father is Roy Horan,which automatically means she is martial artist. People who watched Legendary Assassin will know what I mean.

https://twitter.com/celinajade/status/227465516363677696

https://twitter.com/KTANCH/status/227470371010514945

Some guy actually flat out asked if she talked to Kevin about MK,she said "who knows what life will bring :)"

https://twitter.com/Gary_Jr_Da3rd/status/227659205761454082

https://twitter.com/celinajade/status/227975903391674368

Now my attention for this project is tripled. Here is my hope for Katheryn Winnick play Sonya,and then I will die happy.
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Kratos2011
08/02/2012 03:32 PM (UTC)
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@Sweetre15 you can't seriously expect an all asian cast? you said Kim Do for Smoke? isn't Kim Do an asian female? you realise Smoke is a dude from prague and is caucasian? it's ashame when the asian fan base propose that MK is an asian game because Ed Boon has said in the past that MK is about all races coming together to kombat a greater threat, try not to divide the community with your quest for an all asian MK, just try to accept that MK is a great game with caucasian, asian, black and mythical characters and that the game is for caucasian, asian and black people so that's the way it should be.

as for the race debate over the other worldly characters, I say just balance it up, so long as they visually resemble the MK cast. =)
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Kratos2011
08/02/2012 03:49 PM (UTC)
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@Sweetre yes MK is an asian themed game, but there are caucasian and black characters aswel. asian themed doesn't mean everyone has to be asian, the MK concept is pretty much taken from the 80s movie 'Big trouble in little China' which was set in China and asian themed but had a mix of races- not all asian, hope you understand. =)
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johnnythao
08/07/2012 06:23 AM (UTC)
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Ah No. In a very unusual way you are very wrong.

In Mortal Kombat, the Edenian's don't strike me Caucasian's with black hair. Well at least in the video games, in the movies and promotions of course they would use Caucasian's, I mean hello it's Hollywood America, stereotype. If you want it to be perfect like the games you will have to use actors with a certain rare combination of background, or Hispanics and biracial people with black hair will be great. For example Hispanics have multiple backgrounds, Native, Spanish, French, and English. Their features are really rare to determine at times. Someone with a Caucasian and Asian background is also perfect, they usually have rare features that sometimes it's hard to tell. It's perfect.
An actress that would match the role of Kitana and Mileena would me Kristen Kreuk.smilesmile
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johnnythao
08/07/2012 06:53 AM (UTC)
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I'm also beginning to hate this thread about casting the right ethnicity, it's really stupid.

Yes it is something interesting to talk about, but by the end of the day it's all crazy racism.

I mean really, the dispute over Sub-Zero and Kitana's ethnicity is just crazy here. Both are written down notable for being a "hard to tell" basis.

Kitana is Edenian, it's not a real race, but the portrayal of the character has mostly been Hispanic's or someone with someone with a mixed background.

Sub-Zero has pretty much of mixed ancestry. Father was Chinese and mother was Caucasian-American. The 90's movie pretty much summed it up with actor Keith Cooke, who is half-Asian. Kevan Ohtsji was a okay choice, he's fully Japanese, but that's okay.

Overall Ed Boom may have created the characters, but it was Kevin Tancharoen who cast them perfectly, well almost. smilewinkwinkwinkwinkwinkwinkwinkwink
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Sweetre15
08/26/2012 02:11 AM (UTC)
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@Kratos2011:

I know they aren't all Asian bruh but the characters that call for it...SHOULD BE played by Asians imo.

Kitana

Mileena

Sindel

Kang

Lao

Raiden

Sub-zero(both of them)

Scorpion

Shang Tsung

Sektor

Rain


Then specifically Jax, Sonya, Johnny Cage, Stryker, Kabal, Kano, possibly Jade, Kahn(CG is all he should be imo), Cyrax, Quan Chi, Reptile, Smoke(indifferent) and Nightwolf on the other hand qualify for Non-Asian casting obviously and easily lol...so regardless it STILL evens out.

So right there that's 13 Non Asians and 12 Asians in just that example alone, so it shouldnt be a problem at all, am I right?....This is coming from a Black person btw.
Btw, if you're wondering who Kim Do is...this is he lol: http://youtu.be/da_FQ5nY0Fo He did stunt work for MK:Legacy in the Subzero/Scorpion episode alongside Jeremy Marinas btw..
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Immortal_Kanji
11/12/2012 10:30 PM (UTC)
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Mark Dacascos - Raiden
Johnny Bosch - Rain
Ray Park - Reptile
Mike Moh - Johnny Cage
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