Is Netherealm REALLY listening to the fans??
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posted04/05/2019 11:59 AM (UTC)by
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01/17/2019 12:21 AM (UTC)

If Netherealm Studios claims they are really listening to their fan base, then why do we get characters like
Jacquie, Cassie, and Kotal Kahn back?
Most people are hating on them...
Im sure SOME people like them, but most of us didnt even ask for them, they are probably the least likeable and popular characters of MKX....
I think even Takeda or Kung Jin were more popular..
They said they brought back Baraka, Noob and Jade since they listen to the fans..
I guess Erron Black is somehow famous, and i personally like DeVorah...
It surprises me that they chose them as choices for this game, when
1. we already have Johnny Cage, Jax and Sonya in the roster again,

and 2. they left out characters such as Reptile, Ermac, Kenshi, , Sindel, Havik that are surely more popular and welcome, and asked by the fans.
We dont even know if Rain and Mileena are in , at this point....
What do you think?

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Locke
04/05/2019 12:47 PM (UTC)
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All I see are personal opinions being mistaken for checked facts. I do believe Havik has been massively requested since before MKX, but there's no way in hell Kotal and Cassie aren't popular. Maybe someone could give you the benefit of the doubt with Jacqui because she's hated here, but then again MKO isn't even close to representing the entire Mortal Kombat fanbase.

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Spider804
04/05/2019 12:58 PM (UTC)
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70+ characters for 20+ slots. Fans will be disappointed no matter who does or doesn't make it. Especially when some of those limited spaces go to guest fighters

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04/05/2019 01:28 PM (UTC)
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Well, with MK9 and MKX I was always talking about how it would be nice to approach certain things, visually wise. And I'm happy to see those things got implemented. So yeah, I have the impression they are listening... to a certain degree.
It isn't a "majority rules" thing over here, nor should it be. We can just give our ideas and feedback and it's up to them if they want to do something with it.
With these kind of threads it always seem the same thing: "The game isn't exactly what I want it to be, NRS isn't listening, NRS is stupid, ... bla bla bla bla".
I for one am glad Kotal Kahn (and D'vorah) is back. All the while, I'm indifferent of Jacqui, Cassie or Erron Black to be back. But I'm not going to complain about it. Heck, I even want Mileena and Reptile in the game, but I'm not going to pretend the 3 I'm indifferent about took the spots of the ones I liked being in there. I can still think the came is great even though it won't cater exactly what I want from it. I'm still very much happy with this game. The only thing that would bring that down if it's full of schemes to get extra money out of it.

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04/05/2019 02:00 PM (UTC)
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They said they listen to the fans and take all the feedback they see into account. And they also said that they won't be giving fans everything they want for various reasons. Which is understandable considering a) different subsets of fans are clamoring for different things, and b) some choices won't fit their vision for the game as well as others.

Also worth considering:

The louder people ask for a particular character, the better they're probably going to sell as DLC, so it's worth their while to add them in separately. Especially if they don't fit neatly into the base story or fighting style balance.

The angrier people are about certain characters, the less they're going to want to put any love into them. If it were your game to make, would you feel good about catering to the "fans" who always sound irrationally angry, give you the most toxic nagging, call you the worst names, and often sound like they wouldn't have anything good to say about you or the game no matter what you do? Not all fans who want certain characters are like that, but the ones who are like that are surely not helping things for everyone else. I know I wouldn't prioritize making those kinds of people happy, anyway.

If you think there's any chance that obnoxious people could be spoiling the odds of getting the good things you want, then more people should make it clear that those folks aren't speaking for them. Otherwise it just sounds like an angry mob, and it's hard to respect a mob.

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04/05/2019 03:12 PM (UTC)
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If Netherealm Studios claims they are really listening to their fan base, then why do we get characters like
Jacquie, Cassie, and Kotal Kahn back?
Most people are hating on them...
Im sure SOME people like them, but most of us didnt even ask for them, they are probably the least likeable and popular characters of MKX....
I think even Takeda or Kung Jin were more popular..
They said they brought back Baraka, Noob and Jade since they listen to the fans..
I guess Erron Black is somehow famous, and i personally like DeVorah...
It surprises me that they chose them as choices for this game, when
1. we already have Johnny Cage, Jax and Sonya in the roster again,

and 2. they left out characters such as Reptile, Ermac, Kenshi, , Sindel, Havik that are surely more popular and welcome, and asked by the fans.
We dont even know if Rain and Mileena are in , at this point....
What do you think?

Sounds like personal opinion to me. Listen, be thankful we get another MK game. We may not get all the characters we personally want, I myself wanted certain fighters, but I'm excited for the new game and to see how the story progresses.

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Randwulf
04/05/2019 04:31 PM (UTC)
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Every roster has its filler, unfortunately. MK9 is mostly exempt, though generic Freddy was definitely filler. Currently, MK6 is the overall best game in the series, imo, but that roster had trash filler, like Kobra, Darrius, Kira and Dairou. I am frustrated Cassie and Jacqui are taking slots that Havik and Fujin could be using, but we have not seen the final roster with all the dlc, yet. So, let's be patient.

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04/05/2019 04:58 PM (UTC)
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I understand Cassie, because she was one of the most-played characters in X. Jacqui, however, I'm perplexed by. I thought Takeda would make it before her, if we were keeping two youngsters.

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04/05/2019 06:20 PM (UTC)
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I don't really think most people are asking for Havik and Sindel. I think there are a few vocal fans who want those characters, and when you spend a lot of time in those communities you start to think that a lot of people do.

I also think they cant just blindly follow every single suggestion they get. They need to consider the story and direction they want to take. Jacqui, Cassie, and Kotal are probably the three most important characters for the future timeline. Erron Black is an interesting and fairly prominent character from the future timeline as well. They need to do right by including characters who make sense for the story they want to tell.

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prodigy004
04/05/2019 06:52 PM (UTC)
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No. No they are not.

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04/05/2019 06:59 PM (UTC)
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You are wrong. Cassie and Kotal were in the top 10 most used MKX characters. Sindel was second from bottom in MK9. A vocal minority does not mean anything.

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04/05/2019 08:39 PM (UTC)
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I also think they cant just blindly follow every single suggestion they get. They need to consider the story and direction they want to take. Jacqui, Cassie, and Kotal are probably the three most important characters for the future timeline. Erron Black is an interesting and fairly prominent character from the future timeline as well. They need to do right by including characters who make sense for the story they want to tell.

I would agree with this if MKX wasn't a shining example of how wrong this is.

Rain, Baraka, and Fujin had a stronger role and presence in the MKX story than a lot of the characters in the roster, yet they weren't part of the roster themselves. This showed NRS thinks on the line of "roster first, story second," not the other way around.

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04/05/2019 09:00 PM (UTC)
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Takeda was in the top 10 picked. Jacqui was at the bottom. I think they choose their characters based on the story.

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04/05/2019 09:13 PM (UTC)
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Takeda was in the top 10 picked. Jacqui was at the bottom. I think they choose their characters based on the story.

FemJax did bugger-all in the MKX story. Rain did more! Fujin would be perfect for the MK11 story, yet he's no-where to be seen.

I doubt there is only one deciding factor.... they probably look at everything: story; play-time; fan requests; the devs own personal preferences; etc.

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04/05/2019 09:46 PM (UTC)
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Johnny Cage is one of the most loved characters in the franchise. That guy isn't gonna go anywhere, and thank goodness, because the humor he brings to the games really makes it worth it. Cassie is really great, a LOT of people really loved her, not surprised she's back. Jacqui also has quite a staggeringly large fan base.. you may be surprised, but folks loved those two. Kotal is also hugely popular, he kind of blew up when he was first shown in MKX... not surprised he's here. And honestly, after his 'animality' special move, he's just going to be even more popular, so expect him back for more installments.

That's my hot take.

And that's how Johnny C. do!

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04/06/2019 01:24 AM (UTC)
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Jacquis inclusion is my major issue with the roster there is no need for her story wise and she is so boring and unpopular! There is no other reason for inclusion than trying to achieve a gender and race balance because she could have easily been replaced with Takeda who is much more interesting story and play wise.

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04/06/2019 01:49 AM (UTC)Edited 04/06/2019 01:50 AM (UTC)
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Jacqui was the next Hsu Hao and Kobra and if they didnt revamp her now, she wouldnt make it to future games. She seems to have cybernetic legs like Camille from League of legends and I like that concept. She plays great and Jax (Michael Jae white likeness? ironically same guy who plays spawn too) Looks amazing and plays amazingly. Im all for them returning especially since there was alot of one and done characters with no revamps. People would riot if kotal Kahn wasnt in the game.... almost everybody wants to see a battle between Kotal and Shao kahn. The battle will be amazing. Kotal might also have an animality as a secret -ality. Who doesnt like revolver users? Arthur Morgan and Revolver are loved and Erron black is no different. Kenshi and Takeda are reserved for mk12 with taven according to story ending and they are both very safe characters to bring in future games and not be forgotten about while Jacqui is now or never again. This roster is god and brings alot of new stuff to the table. I agree Havik and Fujin should be DLC especially for story where Havik creates chaos in the timelines and Hotoru tries to restore Order in them. They also have chaos and order crystal currency in the game. See how the DLC is first before judging the roster.

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diirecthit
04/06/2019 02:15 PM (UTC)
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> Says that Cassie Cage (who was the most used female in the game, and the 7th most played overall) isn't popular

> Proceeds to say that people want characters like Reptile (who was the least used character that wasn't a DLC), Sindel (the least used character after Sheeva in MK9) and Havik (a niche character that most don't know or care for)

OK

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Malaraz
04/06/2019 02:26 PM (UTC)
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Well I don't care about which kharacter was the most played in MKX. I always like to play with Reptile but in MKX I didn't play him many times because I didn't like his gameplay. And what does this mean to those statistics? Exactly... nothing.

If Iv design Scorpion with shitty gameplay and design Sub Zero with overpowered gameplay. Which one would the players pick? Is Scorpion then not popular? I hope this shows what I think about those great statistics :D

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diirecthit
04/06/2019 02:29 PM (UTC)
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It doesn't matter if you care about it or not. Cassie Cage was factually not unpopular.

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04/06/2019 02:37 PM (UTC)Edited 04/06/2019 02:43 PM (UTC)
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There is no other reason for inclusion than trying to achieve a gender and race balance

So because she's a black woman we have to make this a gender and race "agenda" thing. My God, perhaps Neathrealm Studios felt they could improve upon a character they felt they didn't get right the first time? Perhaps that's the only agenda. And you can't speak for rather or not there's a need for her story-wise because you don't know what her involvement with the MK11 story is because none of us have even played story-mode. But even if she is given a big role you'll probably scream "OMGZ ITS CUZ SHE BLACK!!111"

She can't win.

At the end of the day, Jacqui looks GREAT and will definitely be my main. A LOT of people have warmed up to her after seeing her MK11 revamp.

How long are some of you going to keep trashing her? Don't like her? Don't select her. Simple. But if her inclusion is ruining the entire game for you- then you need to see a therapist. I say that with love and concern. <3

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04/06/2019 02:51 PM (UTC)
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If their character selection was based on the story, then Reiko and Havik would’ve made it in MKX or at least now, in MK11.

If they’re basing it on most used, then trash fillers like Jacquie wouldn’t be in for MK11.

So...I am not sure what they’re basing it on. But they’re definitely not listening to fans.

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04/06/2019 02:56 PM (UTC)Edited 04/06/2019 03:00 PM (UTC)
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If their character selection was based on the story, then Reiko and Havik would’ve made it in MKX or at least now, in MK11.

If they’re basing it on most used, then trash fillers like Jacquie wouldn’t be in for MK11.

So...I am not sure what they’re basing it on. But they’re definitely not listening to fans.

Reiko and Havik had nothing to do with the story of MKX. They were major players in the comics, but the comics in general didn't meant shit to the actual game.

They are listening to fans- Jade, Kabal, Noob Saibot ect all coming back is obvious signs of that. They are also going by what THEY want as well- which is good- they don't live to serve you personally.

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diirecthit
04/06/2019 03:03 PM (UTC)
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LOL at Reiko or Havik being important to MKX or MK11 story, lmfao. And the saddest part is that both of them would rank lower than Jacqui (who wasn't even in the bottom 10 in MKX) in the usage list.

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04/06/2019 03:12 PM (UTC)Edited 04/06/2019 03:18 PM (UTC)
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LOL at Reiko or Havik being important to MKX or MK11 story, lmfao. And the saddest part is that both of them would rank lower than Jacqui (who wasn't even in the bottom 10 in MKX) in the usage list.

I seriously can't believe people still think Reiko and Havik are so vital in this timeline just because of those comics that nobody but hardcore fans even read and not to mention they both DIED in them anyway lmao.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see them back in the main games sometime soon, but to act as if they were more relevant than Jacqui?

*Giggles*

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