Kung Lao is broken As fuck!
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06/11/2019 05:15 PM EST

I thought Geras was bad, I dont know what they did to kung lao this patch or maybe he wasnt being used before but hes so fast and so broken. He can attack with a million things on the screen at once hitting you and I havent seen not one frame pause the entire time in kombat. Block or No Block....

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06/11/2019 10:52 PM EST

Drunk or trolling?

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06/11/2019 11:09 PM EST

As a Kung Lao player, I’m a bit confused. All of his attacks are minus on block. Every tier list I’ve seen has him in the middle or lower.

Did he get buffed in some patch I’m not aware of?

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06/11/2019 11:13 PM EST
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As a Kung Lao player, I’m a bit confused. All of his attacks are minus on block. Every tier list I’ve seen has him in the middle or lower.

Did he get buffed in some patch I’m not aware of?

No. No one got buffed or nerfed so Kung Lao still sucks. No idea what op is talking about.

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06/12/2019 04:04 PM EST

There has been a patch though. Is the game faster? Again?

There were no patch notes, but I'm guessing we're prepped for ST and KL.

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06/13/2019 05:28 AM EST

Hes high tier and strong but i wouldnt say hes broken. He has a good 1 string jab with huge stagger and a dive kick.which is the best tool in tbe game. but thats pretty much it.

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06/13/2019 05:49 AM EST
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Hes high tier and strong

I loled.

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06/13/2019 06:15 AM EST

Whats funny about that?

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06/13/2019 06:46 AM EST
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Whats funny about that?

You are kidding right? Or trolling whatever.

I mean if I ignore the part where you say he is high tier and strong you pretty much name 2 things strong good about him and then end it with "that's pretty much it". If that's it, how is he high tier and strong? This doesn't really make sense does it. And the 2 things you mentioned, why is his dive kick so good? It's very unsafe and easy to read. And what is so good about his stagger that other characters don't have?

And since this is where you stopped naming good stuff I ask again. What exactly makes Kung Lao high tier and strong?

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06/13/2019 07:23 AM EST
06/13/2019 07:26 AM EST

The dive kick is the best tool in the entire game alongside with jades purple aura. Thats what your ignoring. Thats what makes him strong because he doesn't struggle against matchups with it.

You can use it in many different situations within every matchup.

1. It can be used to rip through every zoner, whiffs and advancing strings in the game

2. Players have to respect his jump ins and jump outs, even if a kung lao player doesnt use it meaning he can control and possess most the matchups by moving more freely around the stage.

3. You can use it to evade situations like being walled by your opponent, if your smart about it.

He has a few safe strings that can be used for rush down pressure. His jab string is safe on block with huge staggers and hit adv. The ones that are not safe have a lot of strings, that can be used halfway or blowing the whole string thats good for chipping opponents and catching you off guard if you use them unpredictably and wisely. He does good amount of damage when amplified with his executions.

Please say your not a bandwagoner that follows the crowd and doesn't analyse options, tools and matchups odds? These are the same people that said kano and Johnny cage is weak but player managed to do well in tournaments. I hope you have your own views on characters.

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Im happy to show you how strong lao is. I play pretty much 75% of the roster.

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06/13/2019 07:54 AM EST

How the hell can you say that dive kick is his "best tool"? Lmao. Anyone with half a brain will see it coming, block it and full combo punish you. Just like you said, yes you have to respect his jump in/out. Fine. I just won't anti-air Kung Lao, ever. What will he do then? F1 me to death? I'm assuming that's the stagger you are talking about. It has 10 frame startup btw so you can counter that with your own D1/D3/D4 and he can only finish the string with 2 which is safe but knockdown, 3 which is very unsafe so you have to hit confirm it which is hard af or a special move which is very unsafe again.

And that's it. Literally that's all he has. F1 staggers. But I ask you again, who doesn't have similar staggers? And if there is someone who doesn't, they have much much better tools elsewhere. Like Scorpion for example. You can F3 stagger all day. But guess what. His teleport is 9374647483939 million times better, he has lows, he has overheads etc.

So don't just say what he can do. Compare them to others and see what they can do and you'll see there are many characters much better than him.

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06/13/2019 09:44 AM EST
06/13/2019 09:48 AM EST

Did you hear the 3+ things i said he could do with that 1 dive kick?

Of course players can see that move coming. but what options does the roster have to deal with it? Nothing but patience, meaning opponents have to play on his terms and lao players having control of the pace of the matches.

10 startup f1 is what im referring too. has one of the fastest mid string in the game that has good range.jacquis f3 Scorpion f4, jax f2 and kabal b2 mid strings are slower on block. This should be considered good. I use it a lot (to death) cuz it rips and counters through most characters. I didnt state lao is the strongest in the game, but hes overlooked as a weak character just like half of the roster was.

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06/13/2019 12:53 PM EST
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I use it a lot (to death) cuz it rips and counters through most characters. I didnt state lao is the strongest in the game, but hes overlooked as a weak character just like half of the roster was.

Most characters? Lol. No, not most characters but most people you've faced. Big difference. People make the character. That's why people can win games with low tier characters against high tier characters. Because they are better at the game than their opponent, not because of characters. Simple as that. But that's not how you rate characters. Skill is irrelevant. Frame data, what strings can be canceled, move type,...that's what matters.

And yes you did, you said he is high tier. He is far from high tier.

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06/13/2019 02:33 PM EST

Compared to others he Really needs some help. Overhead maybe. Some better Frames or knock back after a string so you're not get butchered. Discussing this with low level players doesn't make sense tho

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06/13/2019 04:52 PM EST
06/13/2019 04:56 PM EST

The problem online is that, the dive kick sometimes isnt really punishable on block and apparently I was matched with a pro player smurf that was playing him so that makes sense now. He was spamming these hats that were flying in Z formation and all over the place, and while the hat is doing all this crazy shit, he is attacking me with his combos. His tele throw is hard to deal with online as well but he wasnt using teles or dive kicks.... this guy was doing combos that were in the 600-700s for 1 or 2 bars all day and using his Hat to fly all over the screen using traps on me all day while attacking me while im trapped by these hat combos and himself. This guy hasnt stopped attacking the entire match, whether block, flawless block, roll, wake up attack. Didnt matter.... He is either the fastest character in the game or the player was just extremely fast being a skilled player, but I guarentee you, this kung lao would of bodied the shit of ANY of you that are claiming he is low tier. I really wish I could of recorded the match or remembered his screen name. Also, the patch fixed frame issues where you can play the game on Perfect ping 4 bars. That could change the entire frame rate dynamics on faster characters and could hurt slow ones like Kotal kahn and Shao even more.

Oh yea, and TL;DR: He was using a hat trap on me for an infinite combo that you couldnt counter at all not even with perfect block very similar to cyrax trap in MK9 which WAS an exploit AND got nerfed. Kung Lao currently has an infinite combo trap. That automatically makes him god tier until further notice idgaf what you think.

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06/13/2019 11:22 PM EST
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Infinite combo trap? Hahahaahhahah.

Z-hat is very plus on block yes, but it has 38 startup which means you can interfere, even get a full combo punish. And you easily can because it's very easy to react. 38 frames is 0.63 seconds. If you can't react in that time then you might have to check with your doctor. If you are talking about orbiting hat, it's -7 on block. Almost unsafe, people just use it to make other strings safe. They have to hit confirm it and not only that, it spends both offensive and defensive bars.

You lost to a very very good MK11 player that would beat you any time, any place with any character.

Guys, please learn what frame data is. Please do because you are just embarrassing yourselves with posts like this. I don't know if you are new to the games or what but frame data is the basics. Number 1 lesson. And you clearly skipped it. Well, with this "idgaf what you think" attitude, you'll never learn anyway. But good luck anyway.

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06/14/2019 08:26 AM EST
06/14/2019 08:29 AM EST
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I use it a lot (to death) cuz it rips and counters through most characters. I didnt state lao is the strongest in the game, but hes overlooked as a weak character just like half of the roster was.

Most characters? Lol. No, not most characters but most people you've faced. Big difference. People make the character. That's why people can win games with low tier characters against high tier characters. Because they are better at the game than their opponent, not because of characters. Simple as that. But that's not how you rate characters. Skill is irrelevant. Frame data, what strings can be canceled, move type,...that's what matters.

And yes you did, you said he is high tier. He is far from high tier.

Most characters.... have you checked the frame data of the characters i referenced about the F1 startup in comparison lol? Yet you responded with some strawman shit assuming my experience with the players i faced are low tier or weak when you havent seen me perform?.... Yeah okay????

Just clearly shows that your a bandwagoner that can't live up to characters with pros and cons.

Like i said Johnny cage was underlooked by the mk community and hes weaker than lao "he needs mids, he needs an overhead, he needs mixups.. blahblah" when lazy asses in the community cant play a solid neutral game, by working for your winsand tournament player ends up winning against an erron black.

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06/14/2019 10:19 AM EST
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I use it a lot (to death) cuz it rips and counters through most characters. I didnt state lao is the strongest in the game, but hes overlooked as a weak character just like half of the roster was.

Most characters? Lol. No, not most characters but most people you've faced. Big difference. People make the character. That's why people can win games with low tier characters against high tier characters. Because they are better at the game than their opponent, not because of characters. Simple as that. But that's not how you rate characters. Skill is irrelevant. Frame data, what strings can be canceled, move type,...that's what matters.

And yes you did, you said he is high tier. He is far from high tier.

Most characters.... have you checked the frame data of the characters i referenced about the F1 startup in comparison lol? Yet you responded with some strawman shit assuming my experience with the players i faced are low tier or weak when you havent seen me perform?.... Yeah okay????

Just clearly shows that your a bandwagoner that can't live up to characters with pros and cons.

Like i said Johnny cage was underlooked by the mk community and hes weaker than lao "he needs mids, he needs an overhead, he needs mixups.. blahblah" when lazy asses in the community cant play a solid neutral game, by working for your winsand tournament player ends up winning against an erron black.

No, it's most people. You are playing against a human being who controls that character. But that doesn't matter. How can you not understand that your skill and what YOU can do with a certain character doesn't have anything to do with how good that character actually is compared to others. That's why I don't need to see you perform to know that you have won those games because you are either better at the game, played better in those games or your opponent has no idea what Kung Lao can do. And again, people make the character so tier lists are irrelevant anyway unless the gap between characters is insane. And even then you'll find people that will do good with those low tier characters.

But I agree about Johnny. I actually main Johnny Cage and I know what you are talking about. But you are way off with Kung Lao. He really does need something. Either F214 to be safe so you can hit confirm it, faster teleport or make 21 a mid or something. Or more strings with + frames so he is like Johnny. Idk. Right now you can block low all day against him. Even dive kick is a mid. Johnny can at least chip you out.

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06/15/2019 12:08 PM EST
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Infinite combo trap? Hahahaahhahah.

Z-hat is very plus on block yes, but it has 38 startup which means you can interfere, even get a full combo punish. And you easily can because it's very easy to react. 38 frames is 0.63 seconds. If you can't react in that time then you might have to check with your doctor. If you are talking about orbiting hat, it's -7 on block. Almost unsafe, people just use it to make other strings safe. They have to hit confirm it and not only that, it spends both offensive and defensive bars.

You lost to a very very good MK11 player that would beat you any time, any place with any character.

Guys, please learn what frame data is. Please do because you are just embarrassing yourselves with posts like this. I don't know if you are new to the games or what but frame data is the basics. Number 1 lesson. And you clearly skipped it. Well, with this "idgaf what you think" attitude, you'll never learn anyway. But good luck anyway.


First off, he throws a poke or juggle before he does the Z hat, and when it lands, it continues fast frames that can continue it forever. YOu clearly dont know what a trap is, Cyrax had an unstoppable trap in MK9 that could not be stopped regardless of frames EVER. Also, some moves frames are changed in ONLINE mode. How did you not know this? Online, you could abuse Kano's upward ball infinite times in MK9 and literally win off his Cannon ball alone..... and reptiles dashes were nearly 100% safe online as well where offline u could stop it. Frames mean jack shit when the ping of players isnt perfect online AND frames mean even less in MK11 compared to the other games where a slower frame move can touch someone second and counts as a hit (has a name to it I forget in tutorial) This was also said in testyourmightforums.

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06/15/2019 12:31 PM EST
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Infinite combo trap? Hahahaahhahah.

Z-hat is very plus on block yes, but it has 38 startup which means you can interfere, even get a full combo punish. And you easily can because it's very easy to react. 38 frames is 0.63 seconds. If you can't react in that time then you might have to check with your doctor. If you are talking about orbiting hat, it's -7 on block. Almost unsafe, people just use it to make other strings safe. They have to hit confirm it and not only that, it spends both offensive and defensive bars.

You lost to a very very good MK11 player that would beat you any time, any place with any character.

Guys, please learn what frame data is. Please do because you are just embarrassing yourselves with posts like this. I don't know if you are new to the games or what but frame data is the basics. Number 1 lesson. And you clearly skipped it. Well, with this "idgaf what you think" attitude, you'll never learn anyway. But good luck anyway.


First off, he throws a poke or juggle before he does the Z hat, and when it lands, it continues fast frames that can continue it forever.

And you call this op? "he throws a poke or juggle before he does the Z hat" means you got hit. Isn't that your fault? Yes it is. You lost the footsie game and got hit. Second of all, Z hat is only plus if it's amplified, which means he can't do it forever because he only has 2 bars of meter. Not to mention he doesn't have any overheads so you can block low all day till he is out of meter- meaning he can't frame trap anymore. And if you block the string before the z hat, you can punish while he is in 38 frame animation.

You lost to a better player. Simple as that.

Everything you said after doesn't make sense at all. Number of frames don't change online. It's just delayed if connection is bad. And if you have a problem with that in this game, then stop playing against opponents that are on wifi or if you are on wifi, get wired. Netcode on this game is amazing. I haven't had issues at all yet. Not in the beta, not in the full game. So you are just trying to find more excuses just to prove me wrong. But in reality you are just embarrassing yourself even more.

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06/17/2019 04:58 PM EST

You havent seen the match, stop acting like you know what im talking about. He was doing a trap on block period. Are you telling me cyraxs trap was intended in MK9 and not broken because it was broken. Could you avoid it if u avoid the frame? probably, doesnt make it broken or intended. Me embarassing myself in a video game? Doesnt embarass me one bit. You think you know everything about the game but you cant even beat me without using Geras or Kung lao, so why are you pretending to know the game more than me? Ask any pro, and they will tell you the frames online are completely different. Compare reptiles dash in MK9 the most, its safe on block online always, and offline you can uppercut him. Thats a HUGE difference in the game. The network online is unstable regardless of how good my internet is or the opponents, you have 3 factors to consider. 1. my internet. 2. their internet 3.Server problems Two of those are out of my control. So stop acting like frames are the same online, cause now you sound stupid. You are the first person to ever say that.and nobody would agree with you on that.

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06/17/2019 10:29 PM EST

Nah at this point I'm pretty confident that I know more about the game than you. Much more. I mean, "he can trap you forever" like comments from you pretty much confirm you have 0 idea what you are talking about.

No, frames can't be different. Impossible. If a move has 38 frame startup, it's impossible, illogical, whatever you wanna call it that online has any more or less frames. Just record your match and count the frames on PC. You just think it's less frames because delay is so big that instead of 15 frames into that z-hat move, your character does something at 25 so that makes it only 13 frames to interfere it. There has to be a huge delay for this to happen though. And look, it's still doable. So for a such a long startup move, you really can't make up any excuses tbh.

And yes it is your internet apparently. You are the only guy I've seen complaining about delay on this game. If what you are saying was true, moves with -9, -10 etc would be safe. Even Lao's F21 probably. And yet I'm punishing Raiden's B12 online which is -9. So there's 1 frame delay at most, if any.

You are on wifi, you are facing players on wifi, or players with 2 bar connection at best. Stop doing that.

Now I'm really done..

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08/06/2019 01:30 PM EST

You still think Kung lao's low tier?

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08/21/2019 07:04 AM EST
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Kung lao might be a highter tier in hands of really good players. But in the hands of casuals he's low tier. mix ups suck, not safe, useless teleport. This is what pisses me up for the most part, NRS didnt even buffed his teleport. You can see it coming and punish it 9 out of 10 times. i was planning to touch the game once the patch got out, but since shit still shit im better off selling the game. NRS games are just not my type of games anymore. MK9 was good bc hector sanches directed it.

Just give us Mortal Kombat 9 remastered, i rather play that game online than any NRS game after MK9

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08/21/2019 11:31 AM EST

Kung Lao is trash in this game. Easily low tier. He was a pain in the ass in MK9, that’s for sure.