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11/20/2020 09:50 PM EST
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Mileena is quite popular and her popularity got a rather.big boost with MKX. Personally, I think ever MK game.should have the playable cast of MK1/2.

As for picking up 3D characters over Mileena, I am really not into bringing those rejects over a classic. I don't understand some of the demands. Yeah I understand some people got into MK through the 3D games and all. But I have seen requests of Dairou people... Dairou!!! Hotaru!!!

I'd take Mileena over any 3D character with the exception of Kenshi. I also think Sareena should have been in this more than Skarlet.

Of course you do, you have the mindset of a triliogy cock sucker/ kasual no offense. MK has one of the worst fanbase ever, storylines have been shit for awhile because you guys complain about some stupid character missing one game if thats the case why even kill the dumb broad off in the first place LMAO. This is why MK is a joke. the newer characters is hated on and never given a chance besides cassie, you guys shit on the 3D era constantly. MK needs to have a healthy balance of characters from all eras not the same boring fucks you guys want everygame. Yes I would pick a nitara, havik or drahmin, even the kollector anyday over a mileena. Why? They have a unique design, cool backstories and have so much untapped potential and appeal that will never get reached why? Because WB rather market these stupid guest or pull the dumb nostalgia card to bring everyone back from MK 1-3 , I don't hate mileena, but she is extremely overrated, other not as popular as some of you claim.

Oh instead of writing a hate message, why don't excercise, go for a run or read a book to get off the heat.

Nitara ? Cool backstory ? You love bed times vampire story to sleep ?

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11/21/2020 01:18 AM EST
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Mileena is quite popular and her popularity got a rather.big boost with MKX. Personally, I think ever MK game.should have the playable cast of MK1/2.

As for picking up 3D characters over Mileena, I am really not into bringing those rejects over a classic. I don't understand some of the demands. Yeah I understand some people got into MK through the 3D games and all. But I have seen requests of Dairou people... Dairou!!! Hotaru!!!

I'd take Mileena over any 3D character with the exception of Kenshi. I also think Sareena should have been in this more than Skarlet.

Of course you do, you have the mindset of a triliogy cock sucker/ kasual no offense. MK has one of the worst fanbase ever, storylines have been shit for awhile because you guys complain about some stupid character missing one game if thats the case why even kill the dumb broad off in the first place LMAO. This is why MK is a joke. the newer characters is hated on and never given a chance besides cassie, you guys shit on the 3D era constantly. MK needs to have a healthy balance of characters from all eras not the same boring fucks you guys want everygame. Yes I would pick a nitara, havik or drahmin, even the kollector anyday over a mileena. Why? They have a unique design, cool backstories and have so much untapped potential and appeal that will never get reached why? Because WB rather market these stupid guest or pull the dumb nostalgia card to bring everyone back from MK 1-3 , I don't hate mileena, but she is extremely overrated, other not as popular as some of you claim.

Oh instead of writing a hate message, why don't excercise, go for a run or read a book to get off the heat.

Nitara ? Cool backstory ? You love bed times vampire story to sleep ?

Not no hate message, it's a reality check. The same way you have hatred and spew towards the 3D era is the same you energy you get back. A goth vampire, is way more cooler than some dumb tarkatan hybrid that gets beat up by half of the MK cast. Thank you I'll take your advice ☺ ???? ????

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11/21/2020 05:09 PM EST

Don't you just love angry trolls who think opinion and subjective statements HAVE TO BE regarded as fact?

I bet you he's a far left-leaning democrat nut job.

AGREE WITH ME OR ELSE !!!11!111!111

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11/21/2020 07:04 PM EST
11/21/2020 08:49 PM EST

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Don't you just love angry trolls who think opinion and subjective statements HAVE TO BE regarded as fact?

I bet you he's a far left-leaning democrat nut job.

AGREE WITH ME OR ELSE !!!11!111!111

Who is angry? Maybe Im overly blunt that comes off as harsh. or I'm very passionate MK fan that is disappointed with the direction MK has gone over the years. My opinions are not facts just like yours is not. Ok I'm done.

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11/23/2020 12:59 PM EST
11/23/2020 01:30 PM EST
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Don't you just love angry trolls who think opinion and subjective statements HAVE TO BE regarded as fact?

I bet you he's a far left-leaning democrat nut job.

AGREE WITH ME OR ELSE !!!11!111!111

I'm very passionate MK fan that is disappointed with the direction MK has gone over the years.

That's what gets me, the disorganization. Maybe MK was destined/supposed to be a mess.

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11/23/2020 08:53 PM EST
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I will agree with one part of Chris's ranting... MK was headed into a positive direction with MKDA and MKD.

I think it began falling apart with MKA's release and the whole MK9 reboot just butt fucked it to shit. Time travel is shitty writing. And by God, they did it AGAIN in MK11!!!! Now this franchise has become one of those multiverse games.

While I don't think the new characters in the 3D era can compare to the originals from MK1 - MK2 (I don't even care for MK3's newcomers to be honest), I still like Li Mei, Drahmin, Frost, Bo Rai Cho, Kenshi, Dairou, Havik, and Hotaru. That's about it; the rest were quite forgettable.

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11/24/2020 02:31 AM EST
11/24/2020 04:04 AM EST
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For me it's the fact Mileena occasionally reminds me of a female form of Scorpion (like Boon said), yet still be different. They share that kind of psyche, although I can't put my finger on it (so I see why some say they're alike). They should still be seen as divided as they don't have much in common, besides aspects of their disposition. Scorpion's not as deranged.

Is it really a coincidence that the secret male ninja was a green Reptile in MK1 and the new secret female ninja in MK2 was a green Jade?

I get it, you think what if Reptile and Jade were introduced as a different colour (which would be ludicrous). This would of been a disaster way back but I guess it all comes down to using different hue to identify alternate costumes. Could say the same, is it coincidence that the secret male ninja was a grey Smoke in MK2 and the secret female ninja in MKT was a grey Khameleon (but translucent). It was probably just fate.

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11/25/2020 05:03 AM EST

But Chris is right though. The direction of the story and character development has gone downhill. Players don't want to give new characters and 3D characters a chance to shine like the legacy characters did. That's why the MK community is quick to judge 1st site.

When I ask the community what's wrong with Kobra as a character? "he's a rip off version of ken"

He fights nothing like Ken, He doesn't dress like ken. He's alignment is different to ken's, not releasing characters get copied all the time in fighting games.

Although his face is the same as Ken's. What can the MK developers do about this. Give him a new haircut, shave the sides, give him a stubble beard, Use the alt costume with the hoodie as default, add onto to his story that he, maybe working for the red dragon undercover. But no:

Hater: Arrrr don'tt ever put that guy in any mk game he sucks. arrrhhh

...im like shut the ffffark up man. Most of the mk community, lack no vision, no imagination. Just pisses me off that we have this trend of love/hate and idolizing main characters only.

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11/25/2020 08:00 AM EST
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But Chris is right though. The direction of the story and character development has gone downhill. Players don't want to give new characters and 3D characters a chance to shine like the legacy characters did. That's why the MK community is quick to judge 1st site.

When I ask the community what's wrong with Kobra as a character? "he's a rip off version of ken"

He fights nothing like Ken, He doesn't dress like ken. He's alignment is different to ken's, not releasing characters get copied all the time in fighting games.

Although his face is the same as Ken's. What can the MK developers do about this. Give him a new haircut, shave the sides, give him a stubble beard, Use the alt costume with the hoodie as default, add onto to his story that he, maybe working for the red dragon undercover. But no:

Hater: Arrrr don'tt ever put that guy in any mk game he sucks. arrrhhh

...im like shut the ffffark up man. Most of the mk community, lack no vision, no imagination. Just pisses me off that we have this trend of love/hate and idolizing main characters only.

Only an idiot would say Kobra was a Ken rip off. He was OBVIOUSLY a throw back to Karate Kid's baddy from Cobra Kai. I mean, fuck, look at his name. COBRA. Look at the logo. Stupid SF fanboys would be the only ones to make a connection to Ken.

Nobody here is arguing with Chris about the story. This was about Mileena's popularity. Chris just went off into wild tangents. What does the current story have to do with Mileena and her popularity in the old games (which translate into her current fan base)? Nothing.

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11/25/2020 06:32 PM EST
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I think Vogel did tons better story in the 3D games than MK9-MK11... Tons. In fact the best elements of MK9-11 are inherited from the stuff he made in the 3D games.

He also gave much more depth to the realms and the backgrounds of them.

But the 3D characters were junk. Dairou was very forgettable junk. Hotaru was done for the sake of having an order releam representative and he is bland as hell. Crap design. Crap name.

Kobra ? Ken is such a lame design but yeah he wasn't Ken. He was a blond in karate robs. Crap special moves. Nitara is made by a 10 years old child. A vampire that fights with the worst dress/design I have ever seen.

It might have been the technology and how limited it was that these characters had no potential of being any good, but still they are hot trash. And so that you know, none of the newcomers in MK11 is any different. Sure they look and play better than any 3D new comer ( sans Kenshi + a few others) but they are forgettable.

The first two games defined the series, had the best cast and richest in story/backgrounds. Trying to implement the 3D games characters again would require heavy redesigns and retcons and then you would just go crazy because you know... Retcons.

Edit: Bad taste is sooo common in the community people are asking for MK Annihilation Sindel and Mileena customes.

Like FFS.

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11/26/2020 05:21 AM EST
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I think Vogel did tons better story in the 3D games than MK9-MK11... Tons. In fact the best elements of MK9-11 are inherited from the stuff he made in the 3D games.

He also gave much more depth to the realms and the backgrounds of them.

But the 3D characters were junk. Dairou was very forgettable junk. Hotaru was done for the sake of having an order releam representative and he is bland as hell. Crap design. Crap name.

Kobra ? Ken is such a lame design but yeah he wasn't Ken. He was a blond in karate robs. Crap special moves. Nitara is made by a 10 years old child. A vampire that fights with the worst dress/design I have ever seen.

It might have been the technology and how limited it was that these characters had no potential of being any good, but still they are hot trash. And so that you know, none of the newcomers in MK11 is any different. Sure they look and play better than any 3D new comer ( sans Kenshi + a few others) but they are forgettable.

The first two games defined the series, had the best cast and richest in story/backgrounds. Trying to implement the 3D games characters again would require heavy redesigns and retcons and then you would just go crazy because you know... Retcons.

Edit: Bad taste is sooo common in the community people are asking for MK Annihilation Sindel and Mileena customes.

Like FFS.

You state Kenshi was a good 3D character. That's because he was carried over to MK9 and MKX with cinematic appearances, to see it through. Thats why your giving him wins, because you've seen more than any other 3D character. He wasn't in those games, you wouldn't be mentioning him like the few others.

Fujin for example in MK4? Lets be real, its the least popular title out of the series because of many factors. MKX he was NPC and look at him now in MK11 aftermath. Everybody was fanboying off him, because they saw potential.

This is my point in the community. We don't show the same passion and energy towards characters like other fighting games. Its embarrassing. I completely agree that some of the 3D characters were poorly made in the game. Does that mean we shouldn't improve them in the future?

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11/26/2020 07:56 AM EST
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I think Vogel did tons better story in the 3D games than MK9-MK11... Tons. In fact the best elements of MK9-11 are inherited from the stuff he made in the 3D games.

He also gave much more depth to the realms and the backgrounds of them.

But the 3D characters were junk. Dairou was very forgettable junk. Hotaru was done for the sake of having an order releam representative and he is bland as hell. Crap design. Crap name.

Kobra ? Ken is such a lame design but yeah he wasn't Ken. He was a blond in karate robs. Crap special moves. Nitara is made by a 10 years old child. A vampire that fights with the worst dress/design I have ever seen.

It might have been the technology and how limited it was that these characters had no potential of being any good, but still they are hot trash. And so that you know, none of the newcomers in MK11 is any different. Sure they look and play better than any 3D new comer ( sans Kenshi + a few others) but they are forgettable.

The first two games defined the series, had the best cast and richest in story/backgrounds. Trying to implement the 3D games characters again would require heavy redesigns and retcons and then you would just go crazy because you know... Retcons.

Edit: Bad taste is sooo common in the community people are asking for MK Annihilation Sindel and Mileena customes.

Like FFS.

You state Kenshi was a good 3D character. That's because he was carried over to MK9 and MKX with cinematic appearances, to see it through. Thats why your giving him wins, because you've seen more than any other 3D character. He wasn't in those games, you wouldn't be mentioning him like the few others.

Fujin for example in MK4? Lets be real, its the least popular title out of the series because of many factors. MKX he was NPC and look at him now in MK11 aftermath. Everybody was fanboying off him, because they saw potential.

This is my point in the community. We don't show the same passion and energy towards characters like other fighting games. Its embarrassing. I completely agree that some of the 3D characters were poorly made in the game. Does that mean we shouldn't improve them in the future?

Kenshi was one of boons boy toys, so he got favorable treatment that the other 3D era characters didn't get, from the appearance from MKD-9-X. Kenshi nothing more than a keenau reeves knock off, I never liked kenshi, such an overrated character. Part of the problem is Boon has poisoned the fanbase mindset, from the constant trolling, conditioning the fanbase to hate anything that's not from the first three games, shoving certain characters down the fanbase throats etc. Not to mention ever since WB acquired MK from midway it hasn't been the same since.

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11/26/2020 08:29 AM EST

I loved Kenshi's background story, his look, all of it... until I saw he was "force sensitive" and an obvious replacement for Ermac. But as I played him, through MKDA and MKD he grew on me. I know I'm not the only one who felt this way because MANY people used Kenshi in online Kombat in MKD. It's no surprise he came into MK9 and then MKX. You may not like him, but it's obvious others did. It's not just an Ed Boon thing.

I still think the MKD characters (some of them) can become really good characters if they're given the same attention other characters are. The problem becomes "how do we get them genuinely involved with the story" without shoehorning them in just for the sake of having them in. I really, really thought we'd get Havik at some point because of Noob's MK9 ending...

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11/26/2020 10:33 AM EST

That's another point of contention among the fanbase, when characters have similar powers or are derivitives of others.

Fujin in MK4 got a lot of flak as an Ermac/Kung Lao ripoff. Li Mei, and Frost got the same treatment in DA.

Even in MK3, Cyrax was essentially robot Scorpion with his net, and being after Sub-Zero.

Reptile, Smoke, Noob, Jade were all derived from other characters, and look at them now how they've been differentiated n individualized.

Like said above, some fans just write characters off completely never wanting to see them again.

People complain out the ass, but rarely give any constructive criticism to rectify their perceived flaws.

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11/26/2020 02:25 PM EST

Idk I just could never get into kenshi, I felt he was way to forced, even in MKX he has his own off spring talk about favoritism. But both of you guys make great points. But it all goes back to boon, he is too scared of trying a new formula so that's why he goes back to same ol we've been getting for years. Its reason why new characters don't return in the following game, look at Ferra Torr, Kung jin & Takeda. Its gonna happen to Kollector and Cetrion. You guys have to also understand the kasuals have infiltrated the MK community dividing up the fanbase even more. The MK fanbase is one of the most fickle fanbases ever. They're worst then the Genwunner Pokémon fans. On YouTube or Reddit, There is people that actually want more guest characters and less MK characters in a MK game. Talk about a slap in the face. I personally belive MKvsDC was one of the worst thing to happen to MK. It started this whole guest/crossover trend and brought soo many kasuals who are not even MK fans that made everything worse.

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11/26/2020 02:52 PM EST

Kenshin was at least decent in the 3D games and had much better design than the rest of the cast. That's why he got into the MK9/X and got the next gen treatment.

There are trash you can't fix... MK4 Fujin is lame. MKM Fujin had much more interesting looks and design. Heck his MK11 version plays more of MKM than MK4.

Dairou, Darius, Hotaru and whatever shit we got in MLS and previously in MKDA look absolutely like trash when compared with the other characters in the cast of the same games. I compare them unfavorably with MKDA/MKD Kenshi not the other way around.

Liking trash characters is fine, but don't try to distort facts that Kenshi has more bigger popularity and deservedly so than characters like Nitara,Ashrah and Dairou.

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11/26/2020 05:43 PM EST
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Kenshin was at least decent in the 3D games and had much better design than the rest of the cast. That's why he got into the MK9/X and got the next gen treatment.

There are trash you can't fix... MK4 Fujin is lame. MKM Fujin had much more interesting looks and design. Heck his MK11 version plays more of MKM than MK4.

Dairou, Darius, Hotaru and whatever shit we got in MLS and previously in MKDA look absolutely like trash when compared with the other characters in the cast of the same games. I compare them unfavorably with MKDA/MKD Kenshi not the other way around.

Liking trash characters is fine, but don't try to distort facts that Kenshi has more bigger popularity and deservedly so than characters like Nitara,Ashrah and Dairou.

Hold up, I agreed with everything you said until you compared nitara with dairou.Thats a no no no, Nitara is probably the most requested female character I will go as far to say is more requested than sareena(love them both) I never see nobody request dairou, darrius etc, and I don't think the fanbase wouldn't mind them coming back. But nitara has so much potential. Nitara has that mainstream popularity appeal, is that why she appeared in the animated movie? Or perhaps a role in the live action film? No i disagree Kenshi didn't have a better design than havik, drahmin, sareena,nitara,li mei, reiko but anyone else that I didn't list yea.

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11/28/2020 01:55 AM EST

One thing that can be said for the current trilogy is it has replay value in a way that the older games do not. Mk9 is still great after nearly 10 years, the 3d era not so much outside of a handful of a few decent new characters and there's no reason to touch the 2d era at this point. MK9, X and 11 were all able to get over and stay over cause they work in a way that the 3d era didn't. 3d era was good but it wasn't great until Armageddon. If they decide to make MK12 though they will have to branch away from leaning on the 2d era though. As for Mileena she's easily the most unique looking character on the entire MK roster, and one of the best. Story line, Twitter comments and opinions aside, there's no reason she shouldn't be in MK11 or considered unique top quality character story telling. We could have done without lame characters like Jacqui, Rain, Kollector and Geras they fit well into the story angles but overall feel like MK DA, DEC and ARM era characters, lacking anything interesting.

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11/28/2020 02:09 AM EST
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Kenshin was at least decent in the 3D games and had much better design than the rest of the cast. That's why he got into the MK9/X and got the next gen treatment.

There are trash you can't fix... MK4 Fujin is lame. MKM Fujin had much more interesting looks and design. Heck his MK11 version plays more of MKM than MK4.

Dairou, Darius, Hotaru and whatever shit we got in MLS and previously in MKDA look absolutely like trash when compared with the other characters in the cast of the same games. I compare them unfavorably with MKDA/MKD Kenshi not the other way around.

Liking trash characters is fine, but don't try to distort facts that Kenshi has more bigger popularity and deservedly so than characters like Nitara,Ashrah and Dairou.

This right here. Fujin was always a lame ass character and hasn't been even close to being done right until MK11, he's still a bit of a buster but at least he's fleshed out with personality in MK11, same thing with Rain, lame as hell in all previous games but works well in MK11. I feel if NRS wanted to they could take lame characters that aren't horrible like Shujinko, Taven, Stryker, Daegon, Hsu Hao and Li Mei and make them into something solid in MK11, they were able to do that with Rain, Jacqui, Fujin, Frost, etc so why not with those? Some are beyond hope like Kai, Jarek, Reiko, Kobra, Moloch, Meat, Drahmin, Darrius and many of the 3d era characters cause there's nothing or not much to their personality or design. There's also definetly some 3d era characters that were kindve lame in execution but have a solid base and character story that they could work wonders with for MK11 if they put in the time and took it serious: Havik, Hotaru, Ashrah, Sareena to name a few. Then a few that are downright badass if given a complete rework like Nitara and Kira.