Does Mortal Kombat need a better vampire character? Or even a samurai character?
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posted02/18/2014 02:10 AM (UTC)by
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hankypanky1
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08/12/2012 01:52 PM (UTC)
With Twilight being a major success lets take a look at mortal kombat very own vampire Nitara. I really think they ought to put her with Nightwolf so they could have that Twilight thing going on. Nitaras story is very weak. It would benefit them both storywise and garner more popularity between the two. What do you guys/girls think. Or a vampire samurai?
vampire samurai Or Vampire pirate aka vampirate

Egyptian vampire

futuristic samurai


Edit: looks like the vampire fad is not going away just yet. A new film called vampire academy comes out 2014. The team is the team behind mean girls, batman returns, real steel, transformers, bend it like Beckham, heathers. Fans of the film are saying its different to twilight. I haven't read the book so i cant say.

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mwgrant0
07/05/2013 11:15 AM (UTC)
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I think one is enough, and people who are Twilight fans and Mortal Kombat fans are few and far between. It would be like:

Johnny Cage: I know what you are......

Nitara: What do you think I am....?

Johnny Cage:.....A vampire.
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Icebaby
07/05/2013 02:04 PM (UTC)
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hankypanky1 Wrote:
With Twilight being a major success lets take a look at mortal kombat very own vampire Nitara. I really think they ought to put her with Nightwolf so they could have that Twilight thing going on. Nitaras story is very weak. It would benefit them both storywise and garner more popularity between the two. What do you guys/girls think. The most known vampiress is Vampirella.

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A.) No, Mortal Kombat does NOT need to associate itself with a shitty love story for teenage girls to fantasize over.

B.) Exactly what purpose would Nightwolf have for Nitara? The reason why she and Cyrax were together for her story was so that she can take advantage of his cyborg body to obtain an orb in the lava, for which she could possibly never survive in if she tried obtaining it herself.

C.) Nightwolf is pretty popular... and undead as of this moment.
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Harle
07/05/2013 05:35 PM (UTC)
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Weak story is something that applies to about 90% of the MK cast. Nitara is better off than most in that regard. Her design also had some rather nice ideas going for it, it just needs to be polished and updated. As far as Nightwolf goes, I'd much rather see his story develop with Sindel in sort of a.... Fallen queen finds redemption with her spirit guide in the afterlife, Nightwolf. Nitara could very easily show up in the next game as a struggle for dominance occurs in Outworld... Still working for the future of her people, she could throw her support (and possibly that of her entire race) behind a leader that agrees to an mutually beneficial alliance that could help her achieve her ultimate goal of independence.
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hankypanky1
07/05/2013 05:47 PM (UTC)
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a) Like it or not Twilight is a bigger success than Mortal Kombat. Nitara is very unpopular to us. If they're gonna bring her into next MK, they can learn a thing or two from Twilight or other successful vampire characters.

b) It would be interesting to say the least to see how a romance between two different species plays out. Let's rewind back to MK9 Lui Kang and Kitana both pretty much humans, yes I know Kitana is from Edenia but she still talks and acts like a normal human being (Lui Kang). Then we have Mileena and Baraka - they're pretty much the same thing - Tarkatan. I don't know about you guys but I want to see something different. It doesn't have to be Nightwolf but a vampire needs a good love story or you just don't give a shizzle my nizzle about them. That's just me personally.
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07/05/2013 05:48 PM (UTC)
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MK has one of the BEST fictional vampire characters (along with Spike and Lestat).

Let's not tarry her reputation and force a storyline upon her that's been done in other media ad nauseum (Twilight, Underworld etc) and just keep her associated with the characters that are appropriate for her own storyline; i.e. mainly Reptile and Cyrax, but she is also an enemy to Shao Kahn. If there were some way to change the story in the rebooted future then maybe the obvious association would be with Skarlet, or maybe any other character AS LONG AS IT ISN'T A COPIED BORING IDEA.
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Icebaby
07/05/2013 06:06 PM (UTC)
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hankypanky1 Wrote:
a) Like it or not Twilight is a bigger success than Mortal Kombat. Nitara is very unpopular to us. If they're gonna bring her into next MK, they can learn a thing or two from Twilight or other successful vampire characters.

b) It would be interesting to say the least to see how a romance between two different species plays out. Let's rewind back to MK9 Lui Kang and Kitana both pretty much humans, yes I know Kitana is from Edenia but she still talks and acts like a normal human being (Lui Kang). Then we have Mileena and Baraka - they're pretty much the same thing - Tarkatan. I don't know about you guys but I want to see something different. It doesn't have to be Nightwolf but a vampire needs a good love story or you just don't give a shizzle my nizzle about them. That's just me personally.


What are you talking about that Twilight has a bigger success than Mortal Kombat? They're two different series, one being around for twenty years, the other since the early two thousands. One has a diverse cast of fans ranging from children to teens to adults, boys and girls... The other has just pre teen girls wanting to be someone who can't make up her mind between necrophilia and beastiality. Both are successful, but Twilight being more successful than Mortal Kombat is like saying Justin Bieber is more successful than the Beatles.

We don't need love stories in a fighting game. The way the y panned Liu and Kitana in MK2011 is just fine.
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hankypanky1
07/05/2013 07:02 PM (UTC)
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I cannot belieb you. Mortal Kombat as a franchise is no way near a bigger success as Twilight franchise. Look at brand as a whole. Even if you think Twilight sucked the MK movies get a negative score of what you rate Twilight. Which one is making more money Twilight obviously. Now comparing Justin Beiber to the Beetles. Hmm Justin Bieber is a young major solo success artist hate it or love it or just don't.care for it. He has probably made more money than the Beetles at such a young age or his definately gonna overtake them soon anyway if he hasn't done so already.

So I see it goes like this
Justin Beiber and Twilight VS The Beetles and Mortal Kombat. The first two are frigging unstoppable and has bigger fanbase. Bigger fanbase means more popularity and more money. More money means more haters. More haters means more popularity. See how they're unstoppable??
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Icebaby
07/05/2013 07:32 PM (UTC)
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hankypanky1 Wrote:
I cannot belieb you. Mortal Kombat as a franchise is no way near a bigger success as Twilight franchise. Look at brand as a whole. Even if you think Twilight sucked the MK movies get a negative score of what you rate Twilight. Which one is making more money Twilight obviously. Now comparing Justin Beiber to the Beetles. Hmm Justin Bieber is a young major solo success artist hate it or love it or just don't.care for it. He has probably made more money than the Beetles at such a young age or his definately gonna overtake them soon anyway if he hasn't done so already.

So I see it goes like this
Justin Beiber and Twilight VS The Beetles and Mortal Kombat. The first two are frigging unstoppable and has bigger fanbase. Bigger fanbase means more popularity and more money. More money means more haters. More haters means more popularity. See how they're unstoppable??


I would argue back until I realized who I was talking to... Hi Noobsmoke_MK!!!
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legoslayer10
07/05/2013 08:19 PM (UTC)
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hankypanky1 Wrote:
I cannot belieb you. Mortal Kombat as a franchise is no way near a bigger success as Twilight franchise. Look at brand as a whole. Even if you think Twilight sucked the MK movies get a negative score of what you rate Twilight. Which one is making more money Twilight obviously. Now comparing Justin Beiber to the Beetles. Hmm Justin Bieber is a young major solo success artist hate it or love it or just don't.care for it. He has probably made more money than the Beetles at such a young age or his definately gonna overtake them soon anyway if he hasn't done so already.

So I see it goes like this
Justin Beiber and Twilight VS The Beetles and Mortal Kombat. The first two are frigging unstoppable and has bigger fanbase. Bigger fanbase means more popularity and more money. More money means more haters. More haters means more popularity. See how they're unstoppable??
Let's see if you can figure out what happens when you try to argue with ME.

Let's take your first point. Mortal Kombat needs a love stor to match the twilight franchise because Twilight makes more money than MK. Well, MK needs no love story between a Shaman and a Vampire. Why? Because it's MK. We don't enjoy romance (and such wierd romance, if I may add), we enjoy watching Raiden screw up and other people helping him out to save the realms. Why on Earth MK would implement this would be beyond me. And another note, peope who enjoy both Twilight and MK are a very slim amount of people.
On to of this, Twilight has been redone SO MANY TIMES, there has been Nickelodeon movies, Disney shows, Disney crossovers, Cartton Network spoofs, complete knock-offs, and even a parody movie in general, as well as SOooo many other variations in film and literature. Mortal Kombat would in no way benefit from something so overdone and unoriginal.

Sceond, let's compare franchises. Twilight-4 books, 5 movies, and a very specific audience of preteen-teenage girls. Mortal Kombat; around 20 video games alltogether, 2 movies, 2 T.V shows, a movie in the works, an entire 2-season (so far) web series, a book, and a VERY wide variety of spoofs, as well as a very wide audience.
Twilight is only popular because of teenage girls. Mortal Kombat is popular because of people of all ages and genders.Twilight having a bigger fanbase than Mortal Kombat is just because Twilight is overdone by teenage girls to other teenage girls, who, if you knew, can be manipulated in the mind very easily if you can get them hooked on something, like Twilight. To compare this to your Justin Bieber reference, Bieber fans believe that it's;
Okay for him to punch his grandma in the stomach so hard she has to go to the hospital
It's okay for him to spraypaint somebody's car
he should be allowed to park anywhere.
he is above Obama in power.
He can mimic God if he wanted.
Yes. These are all literal statements that were really asked. Bieber is only popular because (insert why Twilight is popular here.) The teenage girls overdo things FAR too much. Now, to the next topic...

Comparing Bieber to the Beatles. Oh, wow, did you flip the switch here. If you look at when the Beatles were still around, how much did gas cost/ Maybe 50 cents a gallon? It's almost 8 times that today. The Beatles would have an amount of money on par with that of Bieber today if you did the math. It's not hard to figure out. And Bieber, well, after all he's done recently, he's lost a lot of popularity. If you want some real funny stuff about Bieber crap and his followers, go look at Drake Bell on Twitter (@drakebell). There, you'll see exactly how insane his followers were. Compare that to how people reacted to the Beatles... well, hm.. I see a pretty big similarity? Except, Beatles fans weren't AS VIOLENT.

See, back to the topic at hand, MK with a vampire romance wouldn't work at all.
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RazorsEdge701
07/05/2013 08:43 PM (UTC)
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It's 2013, talking about Twilight has already gone out of style.
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hankypanky1
07/05/2013 10:12 PM (UTC)
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So teenage girls like Justin Beiber and Twilight. You're saying it like it's a bad thing. Everyone goes through the teenage phase. So now you tell me there's a guy on Twitter writing crap about Beiber. Maybe he should get a new hobby. Justin Beiber is a superstar. Mortal Kombat does not need a love story but having love story can change dynamics of things. For example say there's a love triangle like in Twilight then you don't know what's gonna happen next.
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legoslayer10
07/05/2013 10:19 PM (UTC)
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I'm a teenager. I'm still in that phase. I'm the person to some to on how we work. It's not a bad thing. All I said was that that was their only fanbase. You got defensive, thus leaving me to think you are among us under-18ers, ma'am. I did not say it was a bad thing to be a teenage girl, I was pointing out how easy it is to make them thinksomething is cool, and how hardit is to keep them off of it, even after it's spiraled down.

And on MK, why would you WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS NEXT. That takes all the fun out of playng the game, it's unoriginal, and it in no way would work with Mk. The backlash NetherRealm would get would be out of this world for doing a Twilight spoof in MK. It wouldn't be interesting, it wouldn't make sense, and it would just bring MK down. EDIT: Also, A love triangle in MK? This isn't a Soap Opera, this is a fighting game. And chances are, you would know what happens next. All you have to do is look at the 7 main story games before MK8, and most of MK2011 itself. Not that hard to decipher. Perhaps you should look at how MK has played out to determine how thing struly should be. MK's story is fine without romance. Bringing it in would only confse things. Gamers don't want to see people trying to fit in with each other, they want to see people fight each other to the death. Love stories in MK are practically useless, and have no place in the games. And on the actual topic at ha nd, no, Nitara is fine as MK's resident vampire. I'd have nobody else.
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Sub-Zero_7th
07/05/2013 10:30 PM (UTC)
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What's Twilight? tongue
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hankypanky1
07/05/2013 10:41 PM (UTC)
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I'm not maam. On topic I said I don't wanna know what's gonna happen next. MK is too one-dimensional. Lui Kang and Kitana, Mileena and Baraka, Johnny Cage and Sonya, Shao Kahn and Sindel. See the pattern here no love triangle. There should be storylines where guys fight over girl. Have you watched Never Back Down. There's a love triangle where the main girl character goes out with the main bad guy in film but she likes this good guy and so good guy wants to fight bad guy because of how he treats her (ver badly). They fight and good guy wins at the end, but the bad guy doesn't care he lost his girl, he gets with another girl straight away. Why cant they make Rain like this.
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legoslayer10
07/05/2013 10:51 PM (UTC)
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hankypanky1 Wrote:
I'm not maam. On topic I said I don't wanna know what's gonna happen next. MK is too one-dimensional. Lui Kang and Kitana, Mileena and Baraka, Johnny Cage and Sonya, Shao Kahn and Sindel. See the pattern here no love triangle. There should be storylines where guys fight over girl. Have you watched Never Back Down. There's a love triangle where the main girl character goes out with the main bad guy in film but she likes this good guy and so good guy wants to fight bad guy because of how he treats her (ver badly). They fight and good guy wins at the end, but the bad guy doesn't care he lost his girl, he gets with another girl straight away. Why cant they make Rain like this.
Well, to start off, I recognized you suggested not knowing what's gonna hppen next.

Next, The only true romance in MK is Liu Kang and Kitana, and that's barely hinted at anymore. yeah, it's there, but nothig yet. Baraka and MIleena were never a thing, and even fight in their MK;D endings to the death. Kahn and Sindel, well, Sindel was married to Jerrod, Kahn brainwashed her, and you never see any true romance between the two. And Cage and Sonya, I have no idea where you got that idea.
And guys fighting ovr girls in MK is a big 'N' 'O'. We don't want the basic unoriginal re-hashes of the same thing time and time again (ala, people are getting fed up with Scorpion and revenge), so nobody would want to see that happen. [Note, you keep straying from the topic at hand, vampires in MK. Don't see why you even named this if we need a new vampire.] Nobody in MK should be in a love triangle. Ever. It's been played out way too many times (Final fantasy VII, Kingdom Hearts, etc.) to even be worth it. I see no potential for a good backash in more MK romance. That's not what people look for in an M rated game about tearing people apart limb from limb.
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hankypanky1
07/05/2013 11:19 PM (UTC)
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MK sucks at love stories.
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Icebaby
07/05/2013 11:32 PM (UTC)
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hankypanky1 Wrote:
MK sucks at love stories.


Because it is a fucking fighting game...

Oh wait, I keep forgetting you're Noobsmoke_mk, only a person such as that would think of such ridiculousness to be added in a successful series spanned twenty years and still going on.
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legoslayer10
07/06/2013 02:27 AM (UTC)
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I'm just gonna stop arguing now. I know I'm right.
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Harle
07/06/2013 05:28 AM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
hankypanky1 Wrote:
MK sucks at love stories.


Because it is a fucking fighting game...

Oh wait, I keep forgetting you're Noobsmoke_mk, only a person such as that would think of such ridiculousness to be added in a successful series spanned twenty years and still going on.


I'm on your side of the argument here (that MK doesn't need to take any notes from Twilight on how to be successful), but I'm gonna call anyone on the "it's a fighting game" justification for ANYTHING. It IS a fighting game... But it's also a story, which (regardless of quality or depth) people follow and enjoy... To top that off, MK actually has a better story than most fighting games, but that's not the point..... ANY conversation about story in ANY medium cannot dismiss romance because of the medium. It is one of the most raw and basic instincts of living things to find something to "love", whatever that word means for the particular species it is being applied to. That's not to say a story has to have romance. It doesn't, but you absolutely cannot discount a particular motivation (in this case, love) because of the medium. If you say "it's a fighting game" in a debate about story, then you just lost the debate.
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07/06/2013 08:18 AM (UTC)
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Even if twilight was 10000 times "bigger" than MK, there is very little fan over lap.

Nitara definitely needs work though. Starting with her design.
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hankypanky1
07/06/2013 11:19 AM (UTC)
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I back down on Mk needing a love story. Scratch that idea and close the thread.
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07/06/2013 11:57 AM (UTC)
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hankypanky1 Wrote:
I back down on Mk needing a love story. Scratch that idea and close the thread.


Quitter!


But in all seriousness, I never cared for Nitara. I felt her presence wasn't right. Maybe if she wasn't called a vampire, I'd have an easier time with it. But, really, she just conjures up something a little too overplayed for me.
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07/06/2013 04:00 PM (UTC)
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I'm not entirely sure what's being discussed here but I see Twilight so I'm going to skip it and just say that MK doesn't need a better vampire character but they DO need to reintroduce Nitara because she was awesome.
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07/07/2013 03:34 AM (UTC)
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We need vampire slayer like Blade.
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