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09/13/2010 07:16 PM (UTC)
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I personally would like to see umk3 style kombat codes return, so I can disable the stupid X-ray super lame SF stuff

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09/13/2010 07:17 PM (UTC)
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Mojo6 Wrote:
Skaven13 Wrote: A guy just got fingers shoved into his brain. He is still fighting HOW? In MK4, a guy just got his neck twisted around. He is still fighting HOW? Yes, the mechanics are different, but the CONCEPT is the same: fighters sustaining seriously impairing, sometimes fatal, injuries, yet the fight continues as if nothing happened. THAT is the concept I was trying to convey. I never said the mechanics were the same, nor did I say I didn't want a long combo to end with a super move or even an x-ray attack. Read the context of a post before replying. Thank you. Drive through please.


How you ask? The same way a character can take a fireball to the face and continue to fight...or be impaled by a spear and then drug across the screen...or be flash frozen solid only to be fine seconds later. It's a video game dude.

X-rays are just a gimmicky ultra move using a super meter system. Nothing new there. If for some reason it's pushing your suspension of disbelief to the point were you're going, "Nuh uh! No WAY he'd be able to fight after that. This game's SO unrealistic!", then you might want to step back and take a look at what you're playing. HINT: It's not a "real-life simulator".


No kidding Mojo. As I stated in my original post, I realize this is just a game. Check out the first post. It just seems far too OTT when moves that can outright kill a person simply don't., Fireball to the face, spear to the chest, each of those have been made, I suppose, "acceptable" in the realm of video gaming. When it comes to the above moves though that snap necks and there is no real impairment to the rest of the fight, that's what I kinda have a problem with. Personal opinion, but I was thinking these moves are just a bit OTT.
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09/13/2010 07:45 PM (UTC)
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No kidding Mojo. As I stated in my original post, I realize this is just a game. Check out the first post. It just seems far too OTT when moves that can outright kill a person simply don't., Fireball to the face, spear to the chest, each of those have been made, I suppose, "acceptable" in the realm of video gaming. When it comes to the above moves though that snap necks and there is no real impairment to the rest of the fight, that's what I kinda have a problem with. Personal opinion, but I was thinking these moves are just a bit OTT.


Over the top is what Mortal Kombat is all about. Fair enough though since it's pointless to debate personal preference.
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09/13/2010 08:40 PM (UTC)
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Yeah, and I can understand your point of view, MK is over the top. For whatever reason though, the breaker moves in MK4, as well as the X-ray moves just push it too far for me. In a game where spears are impaling chests and bodies are bouncing off the ground and into the air, From a logical view, I guess it would be rather ridiculous that these moves bothered me, given everything else that happens in the game. Can't really explain it, other than these moves seem a little too severe for a fight to continue on.
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09/13/2010 08:48 PM (UTC)
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Skaven13 Wrote:
Yeah, and I can understand your point of view, MK is over the top. For whatever reason though, the breaker moves in MK4, as well as the X-ray moves just push it too far for me. In a game where spears are impaling chests and bodies are bouncing off the ground and into the air, From a logical view, I guess it would be rather ridiculous that these moves bothered me, given everything else that happens in the game. Can't really explain it, other than these moves seem a little too severe for a fight to continue on.


I remember a scene from my childhood when a demo of the new fighting game, Soul Blade, was being shown at a playstation kiosk at my local toy store and the guy next to me just watches it and then asks "how could that guy take a sword to the face and keep moving?"

I'm perfectly okay for these fantasy characters to survive eye-gouges, neck snaps, back breaks, and organ crushes and keep right on trucking, because the entire thing is so overdone it's fantasy cartoonish, much in the same way prior games had a punch sending buckets of blood spurting out of the fighters and fatalities included eight skulls and 4 rib cages.
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09/15/2010 09:20 PM (UTC)
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Putting this here, since its about PAX:

theres a new interview with ripten.com- http://www.ripten.com/2010/09/13/mortal-kombat-hands-on-for-you-daveypoodo-not-post-plzkthx-matronedea/

nothing really new, however this was a piece of info:

I think a lot if it’s the 2D stuff, things like projectiles are way more important than they were in the 3D fighting games, it was pretty easy to sidestep those in the past, now the gameplay is more fast-paced, jump based, we’ve added dashes, we’ve added block cancels, dash cancels, more hardcore kind of fighting game aspects underneath the surface of this very fun, casual experience.

so we get block cancels, and dash cancles! cool.

also: “Okay, how do I fight against Reptile at the bottom of the pit in MK1? Okay, you have to wait until the silhouette goes across the screen...” If you look at our pit now, it does have some of the same kind aspects, so all those kind of old-school secrets, we’re trying to transform them into this thing and make it worth it for the players who play this game over and over.

So no reptile- or maybe its humen reptile alt. costume? or something else. Intersting.
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09/15/2010 10:18 PM (UTC)
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Inside Gaming awarded MK as best-in-show at PAX. It also was awarded best fighting game. MvsC3 was a nominee.

Suck on those apples, Capcom.
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09/15/2010 10:27 PM (UTC)
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Lol, I'll be picking up both. But I'd be lying if I didn't want MK9 to absolutely dust MvC3. MK is just such a big part of my childhood :P
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09/15/2010 10:29 PM (UTC)
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Oh, me too. I can't wait for MvsC3. I'm just sick of all the hate posts on EventHubs.com
I may be the only one who has never been a fan of Street Fighter or Marvel Vs Capcom.I am however a Bloody Roar,Killer Instinct,Tekken,Soul Calibur and Virtua Fighter kinda guy especially Bloody Roar! I've always had that dream of Mortal Kombat V.S. Eternal Champions!!!!! Mortal Kombat V.S. Bloody Roar or Killer Instinct!!!furious
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09/15/2010 11:38 PM (UTC)
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I'd just ignore anything from EventHubs. I respect zealous fighting game fans (I a bit of one myself), but they're an audience MK just has no interest in kowtowing themselves to. They pick apart and dissect every frame of animation for every character and they get excited over things like whether "Hard Punch Dashing Elbow is faster and it's easier to hit characters out of their fireballs with it. Light Punch Dashing Elbow is now safe on block against Zangief and T. Hawk's 360 command grabs" for Guy or "T. Hawk has a stand alone EX Condor Dive (3x Kick), which can be done while jumping backwards. You no longer have to perform this as part of his EX Rising Hawk".

If you're like the majority of players, that stuff is pretty meaningless in the long run, but they go wild over it. I play games to enjoy myself. I'm not a top tournament competitor, and I think very few people are or will ever be. Part of what I enjoy about Mortal Kombat is that it DOES approach a broader audience. My mates can pick up a controller and stand a fighting chance, yet still need some skills, whereas I'll always beat any of my friends in Street Fighter except for the ones that have played it for as many hours as I have and have studied it.

So, it's not a bad thing to be a technical fighter, but it's also not a bad thing to be approachable, which I think a lot of fighting game purists snub their noses at, as if any modicum of leniency to anything but the hardcore elite makes the game "less" fun, functional, or enjoyable.

To me, that's like arguing over whether Halo or Call of Duty is a more "hardcore" shooter. They just appeal to people for different reasons and people play it for different reasons. You have people who jump into a Halo game and know where every weapon is, where the best camping spots are, which weapons to use in any circumstance, and who have honed their skills to a razor edge, and then you have those that jump in and just want to shoot something, toss a few grenades when the stakes are high, and have fun.

There are deeper online MMOs than World of Warcraft, and yet it's one of the most accessible. There are more hardcore racing games, but most people seem to gravitate to Mario Kart over F-Zero. There are horror game purists that hate any hand-holding and demand punishing difficulty with minimal saves and frustrating controls like RE1, while others enjoyed more fast-paced, accessible alternatives like RE4 and Dead Space.

Same goes for Fighting games. Whether it be Tekken, Street Fighter, Soul Calibur, Dead or Alive, Marvel vs. Capcom, Bloody Roar, Blazblue, Guilty Gear, Battle Arena Toshinden, Dual Heroes, Smash Bros., War Gods, Rumble Roses, King of Fighters, Killer Instinct, Samurai Shodown, Virtua Fighter, or Mortal Kombat, all these games appeal to different people for different reasons, and for my interest and money I enjoy Mortal Kombat the most. The characters, the story, the moves, the gore, the fun, the humor, the unlockables, the secrets, the community, the atmosphere, the nostalgia, the new takes and spins and iterations...

So, summing up this rant, I'm thrilled MK won Best of Show at PAX over its competitors from several sources. It looks exactly like the game I and others have wanted, and I couldn't ask for anything more...

... but I will anyway. Let's get Sareena in this game, shall we? grin
I would honestly like to have Sareena in this game,all I know about her is she pledged her allegiance to Sub-Zero.furious
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09/16/2010 01:14 AM (UTC)
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I would honestly like to have Sareena in this game,all I know about her is she pledged her allegiance to Sub-Zero.furious


Shes not used to getting the cold shoulder from someone she likes!wow

However, i just want to be able to fight as old shang tsung! omg that would be awesome!
lol ha,well so I've heard. And Yea playing as old Shang Tsaung would be fucking awesome!!! I wonder if he'll float?
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09/16/2010 02:34 AM (UTC)
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ColdAsFireHotAsIce Wrote:
lol ha,well so I've heard. And Yea playing as old Shang Tsaung would be fucking awesome!!! I wonder if he'll float?


If hes the old version, i am more than positive he will float. Now weather he'll be cheap as in mk1 we just have to see. Fire bal,l fire ball, fire ball, go back, fire ball, fire ball, fire ball, and Repeat.
I truly hope they enhance or put a unique spin on his special abilities. I want him to be able to morph into another character in this game.
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09/16/2010 02:48 AM (UTC)
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ColdAsFireHotAsIce Wrote:
lol ha,well so I've heard. And Yea playing as old Shang Tsaung would be fucking awesome!!! I wonder if he'll float?


If hes the old version, i am more than positive he will float.


I'm not so sure. The costume design on Old Shang in the throne room stage is wearing regular pants, not a long robe, and you can see his legs and feet.

That implies to me that, unlike the original Old Shang design, who looked so cool hovering because the bottom of his body was just billowing robe and his feet were hidden, this model will be walking.

I could easily just be putting too much thought into it and he'll still hover...but Shang doesn't fly like Sindel does, he just hovers a little bit...enough to make his tiny old man self look about as tall as the other characters, and render him immune to sweep attacks. Now that hovering is gonna look silly in that costume design, with his completely visible feet dangling so low they could scrape the carpet

And that, plus the fact that it's not blue, are the two reasons why I kinda hate Old Shang's clothes in MK9. There was nothing wrong with the original design, why did they change it? He looks like a cross between Shujinko and Shinnok now.
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09/16/2010 03:07 AM (UTC)
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Hey guys / gals, check this out.... I grabbed this screen from the interview, it's a high res shot of mah main man Shang old Tsung.

Love it!

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09/16/2010 03:52 AM (UTC)
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lol, I have a new complaint about it. He's not even as bald as he should be.
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09/16/2010 04:07 AM (UTC)
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Skaven13 Wrote:
Yeah, and I can understand your point of view, MK is over the top. For whatever reason though, the breaker moves in MK4, as well as the X-ray moves just push it too far for me. In a game where spears are impaling chests and bodies are bouncing off the ground and into the air, From a logical view, I guess it would be rather ridiculous that these moves bothered me, given everything else that happens in the game. Can't really explain it, other than these moves seem a little too severe for a fight to continue on.


Can't see where that is coming from. You're OK with someone being impaled by a spear, or throwing fireballs, being frozen, multiple kicks/punches to the head, jumping/bouncing 2mtrs, yet the x-ray move (which really is just an aesthetic element) is too much?

There has to be some degree of fiction in the gameplay, otherwise you will end up with a game that is just bitch slapping or 1hit kill style (bushido blade off the top of my head had that feature).
Meh nvm the older Shang from MK 1 was cool floating because you couldn't see his feet it was a robe. This takes away from the mysterious floating. Oh well no biggie lol On the flip side I LOVE his new design I hope he's playable he's my third fave character!!!furious
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09/16/2010 05:00 AM (UTC)
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lol, I have a new complaint about it. He's not even as bald as he should be.


plus he look like ermac!wink
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09/16/2010 06:05 AM (UTC)
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Skaven13 Wrote:
Yeah, and I can understand your point of view, MK is over the top. For whatever reason though, the breaker moves in MK4, as well as the X-ray moves just push it too far for me. In a game where spears are impaling chests and bodies are bouncing off the ground and into the air, From a logical view, I guess it would be rather ridiculous that these moves bothered me, given everything else that happens in the game. Can't really explain it, other than these moves seem a little too severe for a fight to continue on.


Can't see where that is coming from. You're OK with someone being impaled by a spear, or throwing fireballs, being frozen, multiple kicks/punches to the head, jumping/bouncing 2mtrs, yet the x-ray move (which really is just an aesthetic element) is too much?

There has to be some degree of fiction in the gameplay, otherwise you will end up with a game that is just bitch slapping or 1hit kill style (bushido blade off the top of my head had that feature).


I agree. I'm sick of this bs argument that says x-rays are too over the top, and they would kill there opponents with them. How can they be frozen, stabbed, burned, and even shot at and keep fighting? Yet when somebody gets stabbed in the eyes or has a crushed organ then they would be dead? This is Mortal Kombat the fighters have ungodly endurance. Hell even if Jax punched me I think it would take me a while to recover, but these fighters can take hits like no other.

I'm also tired of hearing people bitch about fatalities. They say "It's too over the top they would have been dead after you chop there head off." All I have to say is if my opponent could survive guns and knives then I would make damn sure they were dead even if it meant blowing them into pieces and then blowing up their severed limbs. Secondly it's just plain awesome.
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09/18/2010 02:13 AM (UTC)
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jbthrash Wrote:
robs727 Wrote:
Skaven13 Wrote:
Yeah, and I can understand your point of view, MK is over the top. For whatever reason though, the breaker moves in MK4, as well as the X-ray moves just push it too far for me. In a game where spears are impaling chests and bodies are bouncing off the ground and into the air, From a logical view, I guess it would be rather ridiculous that these moves bothered me, given everything else that happens in the game. Can't really explain it, other than these moves seem a little too severe for a fight to continue on.


Can't see where that is coming from. You're OK with someone being impaled by a spear, or throwing fireballs, being frozen, multiple kicks/punches to the head, jumping/bouncing 2mtrs, yet the x-ray move (which really is just an aesthetic element) is too much?

There has to be some degree of fiction in the gameplay, otherwise you will end up with a game that is just bitch slapping or 1hit kill style (bushido blade off the top of my head had that feature).


I agree. I'm sick of this bs argument that says x-rays are too over the top, and they would kill there opponents with them. How can they be frozen, stabbed, burned, and even shot at and keep fighting? Yet when somebody gets stabbed in the eyes or has a crushed organ then they would be dead? This is Mortal Kombat the fighters have ungodly endurance. Hell even if Jax punched me I think it would take me a while to recover, but these fighters can take hits like no other.

I'm also tired of hearing people bitch about fatalities. They say "It's too over the top they would have been dead after you chop there head off." All I have to say is if my opponent could survive guns and knives then I would make damn sure they were dead even if it meant blowing them into pieces and then blowing up their severed limbs. Secondly it's just plain awesome.


The only people complaining about being over the top are people that never played an mk game before. Its supposed like you said.

I guess its ok to be stabed 100+ times and not bleed to death, rather than getting your liver or skull cracked. Dam csi, and ER, now ever thinks there doctors. You know you can survive with a cracked skull for 2 hrs, if its not prutruding the brain.

Also you can survive without the liver for 3 hrs. Plenty of time for a fight don't you think?tongue
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09/18/2010 05:09 AM (UTC)
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Hey guys / gals, check this out.... I grabbed this screen from the interview, it's a high res shot of mah main man Shang old Tsung.

Love it!



awesome! no complaints from me. and i tell ya, there is no end to what people will bitch about. those of us who wanted an old version of shang got him... but now he is not in blue and may not float?! no matter what the mk team does it is never good enough, ey?! and for the record, old shang is wearing purple robes in shaolin monks... and he didnt float. just saying.
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