Noob and Scorpion theory
Noob and Scorpion theory
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posted10/06/2010 02:28 AM (UTC)byMember Since
07/12/2010 03:04 PM (UTC)
Ok so I did alot information about Noob Saibot (Noob now, since Tobias left) and Scorpion. I know that Scorpion and the brother of the orginal subzero have been at each others throats since day one (we all know) and The classic subzero aka Noob, is so corrupted by darkness he will kill his own flesh in blood, ergo his brother. (MKA Noobs Ending) My thought is IF the orginal subzero and scorpion never were deadly advisories, would it be possible that that scorpion and the orginal subzero could form an alliance to kill the other subzero? Now remember, its just a theory that I thought of, your thoughts and deepest opinions please.

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Why would Scorpion try to kill the brother if he could easily kill the other brother instead? the original Sub Zero is the one who killed him


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Quick summary:








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My apologies. I get confused from time to time on which is the younger and older one lol.
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Quick summary:




Quick summary:




....and yet in still
this is why i don't try to make sense of the storyline anymore.


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I said it was a quick summary. If you like, I can go more in depth and explain why Scorpion was fighting the wrong Sub in MK4:
See, Scorpion had made friends with the younger Subbie in MK2 and 3, but Quan Chi considered Subbie a threat, and wanted to get Scorpion to fight on his side and take him out for him.
So he straight up lied to him and told him the younger brother killed his family and clan.
Scorpion's MK4 ending (Seen Here) is canon: Scorpion and Younger Subby fight, Scorpion wins, then Quan Chi shows up to gloat and admits that all along, it wasn't Sub-Zero who killed his family, it was Quan Chi himself. Then he casts a spell to trap Scorpion back in Hell, but Scorp managed to grab Quan at the last minute and drag him down with him.
And now you know why Deadly Alliance starts with Quan Chi running through caves in the Netherealm, trying to escape from Scorpion's wrath.
See, Scorpion had made friends with the younger Subbie in MK2 and 3, but Quan Chi considered Subbie a threat, and wanted to get Scorpion to fight on his side and take him out for him.
So he straight up lied to him and told him the younger brother killed his family and clan.
Scorpion's MK4 ending (Seen Here) is canon: Scorpion and Younger Subby fight, Scorpion wins, then Quan Chi shows up to gloat and admits that all along, it wasn't Sub-Zero who killed his family, it was Quan Chi himself. Then he casts a spell to trap Scorpion back in Hell, but Scorp managed to grab Quan at the last minute and drag him down with him.
And now you know why Deadly Alliance starts with Quan Chi running through caves in the Netherealm, trying to escape from Scorpion's wrath.

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S0nofKrypton Wrote:
....and yet in still
this is why i don't try to make sense of the storyline anymore.
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Quick summary:




Quick summary:




....and yet in still
this is why i don't try to make sense of the storyline anymore.
I was about to post the exact same thing. This is why I dont understand why people get all bent out of shape about the story when they have been there for a while
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
I said it was a quick summary. If you like, I can go more in depth and explain why Scorpion was fighting the wrong Sub in MK4:
See, Scorpion had made friends with the younger Subbie in MK2 and 3, but Quan Chi considered Subbie a threat, and wanted to get Scorpion to fight on his side and take him out for him.
So he straight up lied to him and told him the younger brother killed his family and clan.
Scorpion's MK4 ending (Seen Here) is canon: Scorpion and Younger Subby fight, Scorpion wins, then Quan Chi shows up to gloat and admits that all along, it wasn't Sub-Zero who killed his family, it was Quan Chi himself. Then he casts a spell to trap Scorpion back in Hell, but Scorp managed to grab Quan at the last minute and drag him down with him.
And now you know why Deadly Alliance starts with Quan Chi running through caves in the Netherealm, trying to escape from Scorpion's wrath.
I said it was a quick summary. If you like, I can go more in depth and explain why Scorpion was fighting the wrong Sub in MK4:
See, Scorpion had made friends with the younger Subbie in MK2 and 3, but Quan Chi considered Subbie a threat, and wanted to get Scorpion to fight on his side and take him out for him.
So he straight up lied to him and told him the younger brother killed his family and clan.
Scorpion's MK4 ending (Seen Here) is canon: Scorpion and Younger Subby fight, Scorpion wins, then Quan Chi shows up to gloat and admits that all along, it wasn't Sub-Zero who killed his family, it was Quan Chi himself. Then he casts a spell to trap Scorpion back in Hell, but Scorp managed to grab Quan at the last minute and drag him down with him.
And now you know why Deadly Alliance starts with Quan Chi running through caves in the Netherealm, trying to escape from Scorpion's wrath.
True. But if thats the case, could it be possible that the other subzero and scorpion team up and kill the orginal? But subzero couldn't kill his own flesh and blood......unless his brother was tainted with evil? perhaps saving his sould from becoming noob?
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
I said it was a quick summary. If you like, I can go more in depth and explain why Scorpion was fighting the wrong Sub in MK4:
See, Scorpion had made friends with the younger Subbie in MK2 and 3, but Quan Chi considered Subbie a threat, and wanted to get Scorpion to fight on his side and take him out for him.
So he straight up lied to him and told him the younger brother killed his family and clan.
Scorpion's MK4 ending (Seen Here) is canon: Scorpion and Younger Subby fight, Scorpion wins, then Quan Chi shows up to gloat and admits that all along, it wasn't Sub-Zero who killed his family, it was Quan Chi himself. Then he casts a spell to trap Scorpion back in Hell, but Scorp managed to grab Quan at the last minute and drag him down with him.
And now you know why Deadly Alliance starts with Quan Chi running through caves in the Netherealm, trying to escape from Scorpion's wrath.
I said it was a quick summary. If you like, I can go more in depth and explain why Scorpion was fighting the wrong Sub in MK4:
See, Scorpion had made friends with the younger Subbie in MK2 and 3, but Quan Chi considered Subbie a threat, and wanted to get Scorpion to fight on his side and take him out for him.
So he straight up lied to him and told him the younger brother killed his family and clan.
Scorpion's MK4 ending (Seen Here) is canon: Scorpion and Younger Subby fight, Scorpion wins, then Quan Chi shows up to gloat and admits that all along, it wasn't Sub-Zero who killed his family, it was Quan Chi himself. Then he casts a spell to trap Scorpion back in Hell, but Scorp managed to grab Quan at the last minute and drag him down with him.
And now you know why Deadly Alliance starts with Quan Chi running through caves in the Netherealm, trying to escape from Scorpion's wrath.
fair enough then. i just hope they make mention of this somewhere down the line in the MK 2011 story mode. by just reading the in-game bios in MK4, one can't help but be left confused.
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lol agreed. I actually try to follow along in the stories and get quite confused.


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It's not really THAT complicated. It's just a matter of reading the stuff in the game that came after, to figure out which endings happened and which ones didn't.
And you gotta read everything in the Konquest modes, because they sometimes tell you stuff about things that happened in MK1, 2, 3 and 4. Especially Deadly Alliance's.
And sometimes there's story stuff on the pictures in the krypt.
...Or you could just ask me since I've wasted my life memorizing it all. That's probably a lot easier.
And you gotta read everything in the Konquest modes, because they sometimes tell you stuff about things that happened in MK1, 2, 3 and 4. Especially Deadly Alliance's.
And sometimes there's story stuff on the pictures in the krypt.
...Or you could just ask me since I've wasted my life memorizing it all. That's probably a lot easier.
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And you gotta read everything in the Konquest modes, because they sometimes tell you stuff about things that happened in MK1, 2, 3 and 4. Especially Deadly Alliance's.
And sometimes there's story stuff on the pictures in the krypt.
...Or you could just ask me since I've wasted my life memorizing it all. That's probably a lot easier.
And sometimes there's story stuff on the pictures in the krypt.
...Or you could just ask me since I've wasted my life memorizing it all. That's probably a lot easier.
lol MK veteran too? Thank god im not the only one lol. I just hope, really hope that they don't screw this MK up. If they do, alot of people will be extremely dissapointed. After all the dissapointments Ed had already given us with SOME of the past MK's, i hope he actually gets his head on straight and get serious on this one. He's lucky that people already havn't gave up on him for the the dissapointments he made from the past MK's. But i do admit the old school ones like MKT and UMK3 were great but they been getting too lazy now a days. If they screw this one up im loosing it. Maybe he actually understands how many people have been waiting so damn long for the greatest MK we've always wanted.
Well there alot of theories pretaining to Sub-Zero
1. We can think and asume Quan Chi lied to Scorpion about the Young Sub-Zero killing him.
2. http://www.mortalkombatwarehouse.com/mk4/subzero/
Quan Chi tricked Scorpion into thinking Sub-Zero was the one he killed during the first torment. Who manage to cheat death.
Who knows
1. We can think and asume Quan Chi lied to Scorpion about the Young Sub-Zero killing him.
2. http://www.mortalkombatwarehouse.com/mk4/subzero/
Quan Chi tricked Scorpion into thinking Sub-Zero was the one he killed during the first torment. Who manage to cheat death.
Who knows
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Vasculio Wrote:
Well there alot of theories pretaining to Sub-Zero
1. We can think and asume Quan Chi lied to Scorpion about the Young Sub-Zero killing him.
2. http://www.mortalkombatwarehouse.com/mk4/subzero/
Quan Chi tricked Scorpion into thinking Sub-Zero was the one he killed during the first torment. Who manage to cheat death.
Who knows
Well there alot of theories pretaining to Sub-Zero
1. We can think and asume Quan Chi lied to Scorpion about the Young Sub-Zero killing him.
2. http://www.mortalkombatwarehouse.com/mk4/subzero/
Quan Chi tricked Scorpion into thinking Sub-Zero was the one he killed during the first torment. Who manage to cheat death.
Who knows
Scorp confused Young Sub with Old Sub in mk2, and gave him that nasty scar in his eye, but once he finds out it was the brother of the man he killed, he actually bows to protect him.
Scorpion ́s family and clan where all living up to MK3, then before mk4 Quan kills them all to incur Scorp ́s wrath, who after MK3 had no reason to be, and to blame young sub for it. Scorpion knows the man with the scar is Young Sub and not Old Sub.
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Okay, why would Scorpion need to kill Noob Saibot again? He succeeded, his business with him is done. It seems useless at this point (or whatever point it is, because we all know what happens, Scorpion kills the original Sub-Zero).


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the real question is does scorpion know who noob really is thats the real question
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annilation Wrote:
the real question is does scorpion know who noob really is thats the real question
the real question is does scorpion know who noob really is thats the real question
Beat me to the punch lol. I've wondered that for years. Scorpion wanted THE ORIGINAL Sub-Zero dead, which he did in MK1. However, he never knew that he became Noob Saibot after his death and has been around this whole time. So both being "alive and well", how come Noob hasn't done anything to get his payback to Scorpion? I would love for this rivalry to be on as it once was in MK1 and it will be the biggest feud that we will see in this game IMO. Both warriors killed each other. But in the form they are now... who will win such a battle?


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FlawlessVictoryFatality Wrote:
how come Noob hasn't done anything to get his payback to Scorpion?
how come Noob hasn't done anything to get his payback to Scorpion?
Because when Shinnok turned him into Noob Saibot, he completely destroyed his old personality and replaced it with a different one. Noob Saibot LIKES being dead. He wouldn't have any hard feelings towards Scorpion.
Scorpion might one day want to destroy Noob though because Scorp sometimes goes through periods of wanting to atone for his mistakes and do good deeds so he can get out of Hell and rest in peace, and might regret helping to create someone so evil.
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Because when Shinnok turned him into Noob Saibot, he completely destroyed his old personality and replaced it with a different one. Noob Saibot LIKES being dead. He wouldn't have any hard feelings towards Scorpion.
Scorpion might one day want to destroy Noob though because Scorp sometimes goes through periods of wanting to atone for his mistakes and do good deeds so he can get out of Hell and rest in peace, and might regret helping to create someone so evil.
FlawlessVictoryFatality Wrote:
how come Noob hasn't done anything to get his payback to Scorpion?
how come Noob hasn't done anything to get his payback to Scorpion?
Because when Shinnok turned him into Noob Saibot, he completely destroyed his old personality and replaced it with a different one. Noob Saibot LIKES being dead. He wouldn't have any hard feelings towards Scorpion.
Scorpion might one day want to destroy Noob though because Scorp sometimes goes through periods of wanting to atone for his mistakes and do good deeds so he can get out of Hell and rest in peace, and might regret helping to create someone so evil.
I doubt Shinnok and Quan Chio take full credit for the older brother being Noob Saibot. Remember, he already had the taint... so its possible that when dying he was not longer tied to his human body let alone his human heart,


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Being evil is just what got him sent to the Netherealm when he died. In that way he's no different from anyone else. Good people go to Heaven, evil people go to Hell. People don't immediately lose their old selves, or turn into specters and wraiths when they die, though. There's lots of characters in MK who were evil, died, and yet their personalities stayed exactly the same. Changing from dead to undead requires Shinnok's power. Think of it like reincarnation rather than resurrection.
Being turned into Noob Saibot was entirely a punishment by Quan Chi and Shinnok for defying them in Mythologies. Quan Chi asked Sub-Zero to join the Brotherhood of the Shadow and pointed out "you'll end up here when you die anyway so you might as well." and Sub-Zero was all like "I'll never serve you" and fought to get the amulet back.
So they deliberately turned Scorpion into a spectre so that he would kill Sub-Zero. That way, they could get their hands on Sub-Zero's soul and force him to serve them. That's what Noob Saibot was, a slave. He didn't gain any kind of free will until Deception, and when he did, there was none of his old Sub-Zero personality left. All he wanted to do was be evil and rule the Netherealm.
Being turned into Noob Saibot was entirely a punishment by Quan Chi and Shinnok for defying them in Mythologies. Quan Chi asked Sub-Zero to join the Brotherhood of the Shadow and pointed out "you'll end up here when you die anyway so you might as well." and Sub-Zero was all like "I'll never serve you" and fought to get the amulet back.
So they deliberately turned Scorpion into a spectre so that he would kill Sub-Zero. That way, they could get their hands on Sub-Zero's soul and force him to serve them. That's what Noob Saibot was, a slave. He didn't gain any kind of free will until Deception, and when he did, there was none of his old Sub-Zero personality left. All he wanted to do was be evil and rule the Netherealm.
I explain MK4 simply by saying that they decided to retcon Scorpion witnessing Sub-zero's compassion.
Scorpion and Noob Saibot didn't have a personal relationship in life. They were mortal enemies due to their clan affiliation, but it's not like they knew the man under the mask.
Scorpion is a spectre, not a God. He's certainly not omniscient, so it'd make sense that when he saw a man going by the name Sub-Zero who was the exact same size as the original, and looked 100% the same with the mask on, Scorpion would never even think "this is his brother." He'd think that somehow he bungled the job, and that he had to give it another go.
It's not like Scorpion knows every single thing that happens in Hell, the same way we don't know everything that happens on Earth.


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ErmacMk5 Wrote:
I explain MK4 simply by saying that they decided to retcon Scorpion witnessing Sub-zero's compassion.
I explain MK4 simply by saying that they decided to retcon Scorpion witnessing Sub-zero's compassion.
Then you explain it wrong. The vow of protection from Scorpion's MK2 and 3 endings has been referenced in games that came AFTER MK4 and most recently, in recaps of Scorpion and Sub-Zero's histories that were published right before Armageddon came out.
This is the concrete, Midway-confirmed canon:
MKM: Sub-Zero 1 kills Scorpion. Quan Chi massacres the Shirai Ryu.
MK1: Scorpion comes back as a spectre and kills Sub-Zero 1.
MK2: Scorpion thinks Sub-Zero 2 is Sub-Zero 1 and somehow survived being killed. He finds out it's a different guy after witnessing him spare an opponent (Sub-Zero 1 never would have shown anyone mercy) and decides to watch over Subbie 2 as retribution for killing his bro.
MK3: Shao Kahn offers to keep Scorpion out of Hell if Scorpion will work for him. Scorp agrees at first, but when he sees Subbie 2 is on the other team, remembers his vow and switches sides.
MK4: Quan Chi tells Scorpion "Sub-Zero 2 killed your family." Scorpion breaks his vow and goes after Sub-Zero 2, but before killing him, finds out Quan Chi lied.


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Not the younger one, no. Even if he didn't vow not to, he's got no real reason to.
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