Fujin's MKA bio made it sound like any god who dies gets reincarnated. So presumably, the Gods of Earth, Water, and Fire did eventually get reborn after their deaths in MK4, it just never got mentioned because those characters never mattered to any plots.

As for Kahn, he gave up his godhood, so while he's immortal in the "doesn't age or get disease" sense, he theoretically shouldn't have the power to reform anymore.

Another thing is, like I mentioned in an earlier post, Quan Chi's MK9 arcade mode ending says Kahn's soul goes to Hell when he dies and Quan gets to resurrect him as an enforcer. But Kahn also literally sold his soul to Quan during Story Mode in exchange for the Netherealm's help during the invasion, so there's that.

Ah, thanks.

Garlador, what a fantastic thread!

Excellent analysis (you deserved more than 1 dp, imo) and well written toughts, overall.

I think my opinion on this whole matter is very similar to Jaded-raven's thoughts.

I personally don't think Raiden ever did this. He probably didn't even know he had the power to do this and its something that exploded out of him as a last resort to save the world and his loved ones.

I admit I am not a fan of the "time travel" storyline simply because so many things are being retconned and (drastically) changed. However, I approve of this because we are finally getting the storyline of MK1-MK3 told with todays technology and ideas.

Anyway, back to Raiden, I think he will indeed succeed with his mission, but, there will be plenty of consequences to deal with. Some characters might be affected (negatively and positively) forever. Some will be very lucky about Raiden's doing, others...not so much.

In the end, I think they won't focus too deeply into paradoxes and all these complicated things regarding time travel. It might just be very superficial. Something from the present will definitely affect the future we knew of MK, but, not in an overly complicated way...

Maybe a new and more deadly evil will be awaken early. Shinnok? Someone new?

Once again, fantastic thread!

Yeah. I agree with everything you said. Well, there is one thing...

I don't think Kahn won.

Taven killed Blaze, but it just made all the kombatants stronger (as stated in his ending). After that, they all kileed eachother, but Kahn survived (maybe due to being carried of the battlefield by Onaga) and so did Raiden (Possibly cause he is a beast). With everyone dead, Kahn could now be the strongest fighter in the world (besides Raiden, and Elder Gods of course, but they refuse to fight) Thus the battle and Raiden sending messages thing.

If not... So many things are screwed up. That means one could dismiss many events that happened in MKA's konquest mode as non-canon, and even some things that happened in MKD and MKDA.

So I don't think Kahn actually killed Blaze, but was the only one that didn't get killed by a rival.

Well in the opening of story mode, Kahn and Raiden are fighting at the very top of the pyramid, not on the middle steps or down in the crater. And Kahn does start to glow firey yellow as he's about to kill Raiden in the opening. Seems like they're implying that Kahn climbed to the top and got the Prize himself.

I mean, you'd think that if Taven had won and Kahn was just fighting with the same power boost everybody else got as a result of that, then he'd be glowing green 'cause his powers are usually green...but maybe that is thinking too hard about it.

In order to stop Armageddon I believe Quan Chi, Shao Kahn and Shinnok must die. Shit kill Quan and Shinnok= no more resurections.

Quan is the source of the problem and blaze as well I guess.

Murder quan and Shinnok could possibly avert MKA.

But this just an idea.

Well, as far as glowing goes.... I don't know.

As far as being at the top goes... It would still work if Taven won, cause Blaze is dead. They could build a shopping mall on top if they wanted to, granted in the middle there would be a fire fountain.

And like I said, think of all the canon it could screw up if Taven didn't win. How much of his journey happened? cause his journey affected alot.

ALSO, the prize involves ultimate power, whatever you desire most (yes, sometimes it backfires, but only a little. See Scorpions ending) You would think Kahn would just have everyone killed or under his control, right? Well, if thats not the case (they are not under his control and they are not all dead (Raiden)) So.... What did Kahn get? A strength boost? not really what killing Blaze is all about.

Don't forget Onaga can raise the dead too. And, well, so can Raiden (partially at least). What's with all these villains and their powers over the dead?

Still, if Kahn gets killed, then I think Onaga would have gotten "the prize" (he totally wiped out Shang, Quan, and Raiden combined in Deception without so much as getting winded). I think only Kahn could have been strong enough to take on Onaga mano-y-mano.

It's a weird system of power checks and balances. Powerful villains negate other powerful villains, while powerful heroes negate both. It was an interesting line they balanced, since the absence of one big villain would only clear the way for another to take his place and perhaps become stronger. Kahn, as bad as he was, acts like a sort of barrier to the other villains and their desires for complete power. He's a necessary evil, as it was shown in Deadly Alliance that without him things become significantly worse as the villains unite unopposed.

You have a awesome point garlador:

But all the reasons MKA happened was flat out on evil characters and the dumby shujinko

Raiden should have killed Kahn in mk3 to end it.

Onaga probably would have won.

Then, I believe that Onaga wouldn't combine the realms together.

Hell if Raiden never sent the message we probably wouldn't be awaiting this game.

And the supposed one being would absorb all.

Thus, the end of Kombat.
Until we got to Earthrealm-2 anyway, lol.

In the flashes of memory Dark Raiden sends his past self, one of the scenes is Raiden fighting Taven, from the second to last stage of Konquest mode. So presumably, everything in his jouney happened except the final boss fight, because he made it all the way to the pyramid but someone else beat him to the top.

Well you're forgetting that all of Onaga's invincibility in Deception was 'cause he had the Kamidogus.

Shujinko smashed them, so he went into MKA with much less power.
Speaking of which...Shujinko's ability to absorb the powers of whoever's around him should have made him the most powerful guy in the crater, shouldn't it? 60 people's powers at once? Either he should be cleaning house or he should, like, die in a spectacular rainbow-colored explosion from too much energy at once.

The one good thing Shujinko did. Other than that, what else? haha

In your theory.

Wow, that came out dickish.

Anyway, this is not a "wait for the game to come out for answers" type thing, cause we still won't get them.

I still think that Taven won, and a battle ensued.

Like I said, why would Kahn kill Blaze and not get an ultimate prize?


P.S. I am a little excited that I am debating with you. I don't think I have seen anyone else on here who stick to the canon (and non-canon) as closely as I do besides you. Well... Some other people, too

I did say "presumably".

That part about the flash though, that does happen.



What makes you think he didn't? As he's killing Raiden, he's giving a speech about how the Elder Gods are next because they're powerless to stop him and he's going to become "THE Elder God."

Do you want a list? Despite the fact that Shujinko is an idiot, he did effect plenty of things in the MK universe, some bad some good.

Keep in mind his story starts before MK1.

Saw the edit to your post, Razor.
Un-Fucking-Believably hilarious. Edit: Sure, I'll take a list, been awhile since I played Deception, so my memories are hazy.

Yeah... Now , even though I stated it was dickish sounding, it sounds even more dickish.

I shall now read more carefully...

I was saying something similar to this in a thread yesterday (I forget which). Pretty much the same theory. Kind of touched on it in my earlier posts, but didn't go into detail for fear of having the idea berated and dismissed as bullshit.

Personally I like this alternative better.

Going with the idea Kahn defeated Blaze and won... we'd have to dismiss things from both Konquest mode and the intro (Specifically Onaga flying off with Kahn) as non-canon.

Going with the idea that Taven won, as he or Daegon was always theoretically supposed to, and Onaga's corruption merely altered the outcome (again as I tried touching on earlier) we're presented with a scenario wherin all still living kombatants are super-charged at the pyramid and continue to pick one another off one by one. Meanwhile elsewhere, Kahn, also supercharged, manages to get the better of Onaga (since I assume they didn't just fly off and have tea). And after defeating Onaga has ample time to regain his strength and stamina, and needs only to return to the pyramid and mop up any stragglers who have at this point, exhausted themselves from fighting one another non-stop.

Now... this leaves us with the slight conundrum of how exactly Kahn managed to get the upper hand on Onaga, but I think that's a more easily overlooked detail than contradicting events we saw unfold in Armageddon's Intro and Konquest Mode. Furthermore it doesn't diminish Taven's role as Armageddon's protagonist.

Just seems more plausible to me that a supercharged and rested Kahn could get the better of the few remaining winded fighters than it does Kahn could defeat all 60ish of them and Blaze in a quote unquote "clean" fight, from which Onaga had already (maybe?) removed him. Especially when you consider the forces of light are far less prone to betraying one another in said fight.

Ah.. Yes...

Maybe part of his ultimate prize involved keeping Raiden alive so he could kill him himself.

Or maybe, since all others who were gifted with excelled strength are dead, he is the most poweful being ever. After all, they never stated HOW strong they got. Kahn was just the only one not to use his power on personal grudges (in my theory)

Shujinko could not have won since in the timeline of MKA somehow he managed to suffer more damage than usual. Fucking A Armageddon. Way to render a character useless.

Well I dunno about that...the bit about how he's gotten so cocky, he lets himself be captured specifically to get into Kahn's castle because he's dead-certain he can beat Kahn, Quan Chi, Shang Tsung, and Onaga all at the same time was actually kinda cool IMO.

Still, it is a mystery why he doesn't ruin everybody's shit at the crater if he's got the power to do so. They could've at least given us something in his MKA bio to tone him down if they weren't gonna use him anymore, like "Oh, after he killed Onaga, he lost the gift of copying because Onaga's power was where it came from, and he's stuck only with the powers he's already learned now."

Well Shujinko was old as shit.

Good point Garlador.



Exactly. Let's just have fun with the game and its story.

Hey, I have a great idea guys!

STOP SPOILING ARCADE ENDINGS.

Put spoiler tags around them, they're there for a reason. I didn't want to know arcade endings, and now I know Quan's. Thanks.