We've already had like three threads about this.

But just for the record, we haven't seen him use teleporting as a move yet, only entrance and tag taunts.

We haven't seen him do any moves except the ones he had in MK2, in fact. The lack of ice clone kinda pisses me off. But then, maybe they're saving the MK3 moves for his brother...

A lot of MK characters have some sort of teleport special so why does it really matter? Subby's teleport special in MKVSDCU was pretty awesome.

They definitely save the other moves for little Zero.

I agree that Zero, shouldn't be able to teleport,but I like the concept .

It looks like Glassius from KI.What I want is the same move, but with some moves implemented to it, not just a teleport.Just look at Galssius and you'll know what I'm talking about.

What other freeze moves are left for the other sub zero ?

And the ground freeze is not the same is a variation, so the other one might have the MK 2 original ground freeze where the opponent slips.Here he freezes his feet.

So:

01. Ice clone
02. Ground freeze MK 2
03. Ground freeze MK:DA (Frost)
04. Ice shaker
05. Freeze from above MK 3
06. Deep freeze - MK 2 Sub's Fatality - SUPER freeze,x-ray bar
07. Icy Pillar
08. Ice breath (Superman)
09. Ice nugget ???
10. Icy counter ???

Damn thats a lot.Someone pls explain moves num 9 and 10 cuz I never player MKvDC.

I don't mind anyone having a teleport so long as there's an explanation for it. Kung Lao's teleport was a bit of stretch, but it's not out of bounds. It's conceivable that mystic tradition could yield a move like that. Even Sektor's digital worm-holing is satisfactory (but definitely pushing the boundaries; let's not have too much more of that for the other characters).

Sub-Zero's cryo-transportation is absurd, and it makes my head hurt. I'll admit that I have a gameplay bias. I prefer Sub-Zero to be more power-driven than speed-driven. High mobility is better suited for other characters, IMO.

He stole that "play dead" animation from Smoke and it'd be better staying a Smoke move...or even better, give it to Noob Saibot instead, since he actually IS dead, so it's thematically appropriate for him to be doing the whole "cross arms over chest and lie down like in a coffin" thing.

I just wish this whole teleport stuff was completely non-canon and only made for game-play tactics. All these explanations about teleports and everything else is what ruins MK imo. It is what it is, but sometimes i wish there wasn't too much sci-fi. Not every character should have chi energy like its DBZ, imo thats cheesy. But since there's a reason for everything in MK......bleh.

It is.

Raiden and Kung Lao teleport all the time in cutscenes.

A wizard did it. Well, if a character can use magic I don't see why they can't teleport. Teleport moves aren't really that useful anyway.

Who has a teleport special move but no power to teleport in the storyline?

Kitana maybe? But her MK vs DCU special moves were one time only since they were stolen from Mileena and Jade anyway, I'm sure. I'm certain Sektor and Cyrax's special moves are all canon. Scorpion has done his in cutscenes too and the unreleased Deception comic had a scene from the Noob-Smoke bio where Saibot appears out of a puddle of black goo to sneak into Kahn's treasure room and get Smoke.
Edit: how the hell did your post move under this one? It was made before mine.

Because it's just taking away from the character diversity within the game. Sub-Zero is already a clone of Scorpion looks-wise, so in specials, they have a stun move, a low sweep, fire/ice that comes from underneath the ground, they both right with swords.... do they really need another move that makes them more similar?

Boon said that the characters are going to play very differently from one another (which I doubt with every cell in my body), so giving everyone a teleport, projectile, stun is not going to give them much diversity.

That hasn't really been true since the turn of the century. Just 'cause they both have the V shape cloth and a mask doesn't mean they look like clones.

There are differences in their faces, but the way I see it, they still look really similar. As opposed to if one of them were to have a change like say MKD Mileena compared to MKDA Kitana, then I'd start to see variation. Even though they're twins, their clothes were still incomparable.

In fact, I'm watching the gameplay video from E3 and it's worse than I thought. The costumes look like total palette swaps. The same "V-shape" that you mentioned, the backs completely covered in their color, the sash in the front, the black trousers underneath and black undergarments on the lats, Sub-Zero doesn't have his helmet anymore, so it's just the tight black hood and personally colored mask. Yeah I definitely still see it.

You don't have much of an eye for detail, I take it?

Scorpion's clothes are tight, leathery, and have those weird insect-like growths or plates or ridges, whatever you wanna call them, all over, and there's a flame pattern on his V. Sub-Zero's got baggy pants and a ton of silver armor that's covered in all kinds of fancy Ancient Chinese-lookin' designs or something.

For both being ninjas, it's clearly visible they're dressed according to two different schools of thought or whatever you might want to call it.

I'm talking about the silhouette of the designs. Not the texture. If you took apart each piece of clothing and laid them side by side they would look the exact same. With a few differences, like Socprion has upper arm bands, and Sub has armer on his upper arms, and of course the differences in the mask design, and the texture I suppose.

My opinion of MK characters having special moves that they "shouldn't" is that well, if they can do one thing, why can't they do another? If Sub Zero can use his freeze powers to shoot ice from his hands, freeze the ground etc, is it really absurd to think that he could fall backwards, shatter and appear elsewhere? Personally, I don't think so.

Now if he did that and flames shot out from the ground, then yeah, I'd say it's a bit out of character for him, but otherwise, I have no problem with characters doing anything special moves-wise that looks cool and works well in the game.

For the record, I loved his ice-counter in MKvsDC, it was a move that I spammed constantly. For whoever asked, he basically puts his hands out in front of him and they turn to ice. If you catch someone punching or kicking, they automatically freeze and he teleport falls from the ceiling with his kori-blade drawn and smashes them with it. Loved that move!

if they want to bring that back and leave the ground teleport for someone like Smoke (who could look really cool with the fall back/turn to smoke move), then I'm cool with that.

Well there's a big difference between making ice and covering someone with it, and turning your own body from flesh INTO ice and still being alive.

It makes all sorts of weird little questions start to pop into your head the more you think about it, like how does he survive if his internal organs turn into frozen water? And if Sub-Zero's mind can survive separated into a million snowflakes, how is it possible to kill him? Why can't he just turn his body into little particles every single time he's wounded or his life is in danger? If he can turn skin into ice and back, can't he just fill in/close his wounds instantly? So how can he ever be scarred like he was in MK3?

Iceman in the X-Men books became broken-as-hell in the same way years ago. They eventually decided "well if he turns himself into ice, then he can survive losing pieces because he can just reform them out of more ice, right?" So now he's literally immortal and you have scenes where like his body has been destroyed and all that's left is a talking head and people are carrying him around while he complains "it's too dry here to make a new body out of the moisture in the air!"
If he HAS to have this power, couldn't they at least only give it to versions of Sub-Zero that happen AFTER he gains the Dragon Medallion and his powers get a super-boost? Why would the MK1-thru-3 version ever be so powerful?

What about Smoke? Should he lose his teleport move from MK Deception?

Ok so why dont the developers give scorpion a fire projectile that he can shoot from the palms of his hands, but in a unique way, dont u think that would be TOO similar to subzero, and lets also give scorpion a slide, but jus add fire on it, the point that your forgetting is that these guys r enemies, none of their special moves should resemble the other, ex fire and ice

It does matter, this isnt street fighter, Ryu and Ken has the same moves, scorpion and subzero shouldnt

I really enjoy that move in MK VS DC where sub-zero creates a block of ice above his enemy!

I think that move is called Ice Nugget?


I hope it returns! It was fun to see!

Yes! It does matter! Is it really that hard to come up with fresh new moves? Especially with a character who has ice powers?

Like here...

An ariel defensive attack where Sub-Zero jumps in the air and he flashes in a sort of ice armor. If the opponent touches him they get knocked down, or frozen on counter hit.

Or a move where he impales the opponent with his ice sword and they get trapped in an ice prison and a part two "pro move" command shoots icicles at them from all directions nearby.

or a special uppercut where this huge ice berg shoots out from near-by his feet and launches the opponent up and backwards where he can catch them with his one move where this icicle emerges from the ground (in the gameplay vid)


There, three new moves right from there. They can come up with dozens of these and choose with two or three are the best. Let Smoke keep his move for himself.