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Icebaby
04/12/2011 01:19 AM (UTC)
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Neutral does add a good touch to a character. And this character doesn't really need to stick side by side by her mentor, and she really doesn't have any other character that's on the evil side to align herself with.

I wrote this a while back. A Lost Soul It's a fan submission I made a while back. It's about Frost though it's about her waking up from her tomb in between the times of the end of Deadly Alliance and the beginning of Deception... With no memory.

Granted that I started to mess up in the other stories, I lost focus where I was trying to go and I'm redoing the story soon, still I've always thought that this could have been an interesting twist with her character.

That not only she froze herself with the medallion, what she did was that she was able to control it for a bit, and it made her dellusional to where she started killing the students of hte Lin Kuei, then she couldn't really control the power anymore and it froze her.

Sareena, Sub-Zero, Scorpion, Quan Chi, Mileena, and Shang Tsung plays a big role in this story. I kinda hope you guys enjoy it.
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04/12/2011 01:32 AM (UTC)
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Well I think with Frost they need to make her an anti-hero because she's the hero that Earthrealm deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So, all factions will hunt her, because she can take it. Because she's not our hero. She's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Dark Knight.
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04/12/2011 01:50 AM (UTC)
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jbthrash Wrote:
Well I think with Frost they need to make her an anti-hero because she's the hero that Earthrealm deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So, all factions will hunt her, because she can take it. Because she's not our hero. She's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Dark Knight.

Chills mang, fucking chills.
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04/12/2011 02:16 AM (UTC)
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jbthrash Wrote:
Well I think with Frost they need to make her an anti-hero because she's the hero that Earthrealm deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So, all factions will hunt her, because she can take it. Because she's not our hero. She's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Dark Knight.



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GodlyShinnok
04/12/2011 02:19 AM (UTC)
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If they make her a cyborg, I would be interested.
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04/12/2011 02:20 AM (UTC)
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GodlyShinnok Wrote:
If they make her a cyborg, I would be interested.

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Too soon... ;_;
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TestType01
04/12/2011 02:23 AM (UTC)
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I wont deny frost is sexy. She's appealing and one of the characters i liked post mk3 era. Im totally for giving her a different story.

Who knows. Maybe that may happen, considering the way the story plays out in the new MK.

You know what i mean....
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Aquarius_D
04/12/2011 03:57 AM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
I wrote this a while back. A Lost Soul It's a fan submission I made a while back. It's about Frost though it's about her waking up from her tomb in between the times of the end of Deadly Alliance and the beginning of Deception... With no memory.

Sareena, Sub-Zero, Scorpion, Quan Chi, Mileena, and Shang Tsung plays a big role in this story. I kinda hope you guys enjoy it.


Interesting stories Icebaby

GodlyShinnok Wrote:
If they make her a cyborg, I would be interested.


Oh Please God No! I think there are more than enough cyborgs out there. Maybe an Ice Elemental alternate form in game - like Kazuya transforming into Devil in Tekken Tag Tournament 2 would be ok IMO.
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-Brad-
04/12/2011 05:10 AM (UTC)
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Great thread Shadowlord, nice ideas too. I tried my own hand on a Frost revamp, see what any of you think.
Frost
Story
- As Sub-Zero's long lost younger sister, she eventually learned from her mother that her two and only brothers Bi-Han & Kuai Liang were taken by their father into the unknown whereabouts of the Lin Kuei. Leaving her initially having a tint of jealously as she always wanted more in her life, training hard to be the best and she wasn't even considered by the Lin Kuei, leaving her with entitlement issues. Growing up in America, she traveled to China to become who she felt she was born to be. Looking for the Lin Kuei base for years, she picked up on subtle hints and found the headquarters. Passing through the life threatening security, she made an offer to the gate watcher, to join them.
She deduced who her brothers were after a careful study and introduced herself into the clan by demonstrating highly skilled abilities of acrobatics. Impressed, by not only be the first to bypass security and her athletics, the Lin Kuei Grandmaster accepted her in. Surprised by her brothers ice abilities, she questioned how this was possible.
Note: So from here, she begins to learn from Sub-Zero by intense concentration taping into her own ice abilities. Young, arrogant and with a superiority complex, Frost is learning the ropes of being a Lin Kuei, given the codename Frost, she's ready for her first trails.
Appearance
- In a relatively simple garb of the Lin Kuei reflective of her experience, there is not much designs on her attire besides the logo. This will change to more detailed with more designs in future showings when she has more experience, proving herself worthy, at this point pre-MK1 the Lin Kuei is still testing her out. A nod to the original ninja attires. A cloth fabric black and blue ninja v design. Since she hasn't grasped her natural powers yet, she has dark hair that beings to turn into ice when her specials are used. And a mask that has vents to show her frozen breath.
Alternate Costume - Unmasked in a full body stealth suit, used for training and her initial missions.
Similar to what Black Widow had on in Ironman 2.
Moveset
- In unison with Frost just learning of her natural cryo abilities, she can't fully freeze the whole body of opponent just yet. Coming off more as hail mixed with small icicles freezing a certain area rather than a full body blanketing ice attack. Her attacks slow the opponent down rather than full stop, the partially frozen opponent moving a few steps at a quarter of the speed.
Fighting Style
- From her intense gymnastic training her whole life, she moves very acrobatic, yet graceful. Almost over showwoman, she often does flashy moves just for show, consisting of many flips and flexibility.
Sample vid
Special Moves
- Frozen Face Mask
Frost aims a concentrated ice attack on her opponent's face covering the mouth frozen solid causing them unable to breathe, while the opponent scrambles for air, Frost gets a free hit.
- Hail Storm
Unleashes all of her power, however due to her low experience and inability to fully freeze her opponent just yet, it comes off as a wave of hail and icicles.
- Icicle Slide
Jetting many icicles into the opponent's calf, in a swift dive Frost kicks the calf forcing the icicles to go in and causing the opponent to trip over Frost.
- Puncture
In a continious motion, Frost makes an icicle on the floor feet away and grabs the opponent in a flipping movement slaming them on to it.
X-ray
- Brain Freeze
After a leap over the opponent, she stabs a small icicle into their head repeatedly, only to finish it off by touching and slightly freezing the opponent's head and tripping them to land on the frozen part causing skull cracks.
Fatalities
- Frozen Kiss Of Death
Frost walks to her opponent and lowers them to kiss her, yet when she does, Frost breathes a frozen breath destroying their internal organs.
- Last Stand
After intense concentration, Frost creates an icicle and a flimsy ice structure that raises the opponent three feet off the ground. Frost then freezes the opponent's feet and pushes them off the makeshift three-foot-high stand causing the opponent to land and shatter their feet only to have them fall backwards on the icicle made eariler through the heart.
Entrance
- Frost cartwheels in and then proceeds to do the Lin Kuei fist to the ground, before saying "Before long, I'll have my own Lin Kuei scouts!"
Mid Round Winpose
- Frost with both arms crossed across her chest mockingly says "I'll be waiting until you thaw out,"
Final Round Winpose
- A camera shot from behind Frost as she walks away saying "That was easier than the Lin Kuei security."
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04/12/2011 05:30 AM (UTC)
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Backstory:
At this point I'm torn in what direction I'd like to see Frost evolve. On one hand, the existing canon more or less solely focussed her as a plot device to provide further character depth to Sub-Zero and begin expanding on the mythos of Cryomancy. The thing is...I liked her treacherous sub-plot with her mentor but, given the Lin Kuei outcome of MK 2011, I'm not sure if that sub-plot would be best served unfolding in the exact same way (if it's even possible).

Alignment:
As far as Frost being "Neutral" goes I think that's a pretty vague description and would ultimately lead to more shallow and two-dimensional development of the character. All that was lacking from Frost's "power-hungry" motivation was a believable justification for her actions. Some time spent showing the how and why of Frost's hunger for power. I agree that the narcissism and contempt for others should remain as is...just explored further.

Design:
My last reservation is changing her aesthetic design. I have mixed feelings about this as well as it's one of her stronger character concept points and helps an otherwise flat character stand out. At the very least I think the short spikey "dry ice" hair needs to remain (unless she goes cryborg) but the traditional Lin Kuei garb might benefit from getting swapped out.

Gameplay:
This without a doubt needs some significant re-thinking. I wrote up a detailed character rundown for Frost in MK 9 on these forums before a lot of gameplay info was released and dammit ALL of my ideas were realized in Mileena aside from the icy projectile that debuffs enemy movement speed.
Again though, Frost is in desperate need of a gameplay facelift.

EDIT: Went ahead and dug up the revamp idea from this past summer. Character : FROST
Abilities Theme: Ice (shocker).
Synopsis: Using her budding abilities of cryomancy Frost is capable of slowing her opponents movements as well as generating dual Kori ice daggers which she wields with impressive speed and lethality.
Technical Overview:
- Increased movement speed. She's meant to be rush-down.
- Combo oriented. Combo Animations utilize Kori daggers (similar to Sub-Zero's ice katana and knife) which she discards after combo string.
- Specials synergize in that Frost has good distance closing with her Ice Slide, mix-ups and projectile avoidance with her Kori Lunge, knockdown and enemy repositioning with her Ice Clone, all while being able to apply a slow status with Ice Ball (which compliments her high base movement speed).
Powers:
Ice Slide - (Similar to previous incarnations. Can be done mid-air as a diagonal dive attack.) Frost creates a sheet of ice on the ground as she slides into an oponnent.
Kori Lunge - (Command throw that will arc over projectiles when properly timed. Initiates a scripted throw animation upon a successful hit where frost stabs the dual Kori daggers into the chest of the opponent then front kicks {shattering the daggers} into a slight backflip to safe distance.) Frost leaps in an arc and stabs her Kori daggers into her oponnent.
Ice Ball - (Smaller weaker version of Sub-Zero with slowing properties instead of freezing. Projectile does impact damage and slows enemy movement speed for X amount of time) Frost hurls a small icy projectile that slows her opponents.
Ice Clone - (Similar to other incarnations except the ice clone doesn't freeze the oponnent and instead explodes upon impact causing damage and knockdown. Only one out at a time and reusing the power causes the former clone to rupture.) Frost flash freezes a hollow ice clone of herself that detonates when an opponent touches it rending her enemy with razor sharp shards of ice. The force of the eruption knocks her foes off of their feet.
That's all I have thus far. Thought about an anti-air that was body positional based and not a projectile. The general idea is to balance Frost as a quick moving position focussed fighter that applies offensive pressure. She'd have longish combo strings that deal moderate damage.
I'm not sure how the meter EX attacks work but I was thinking that her EX versions of the Ice Ball and Slide deal increased damage and become freezes upon impact.
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04/12/2011 06:54 PM (UTC)
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First and foremost, I need to correct myself - I had pointed out the nationality of "my" Frost as a way to include a European kombatant, but MK9 already has in Smoke a representative of the Old Continent.
Though to say something in my defense, another one wouldn't hurt. It seems the representatives of Earth in MK are highly concentrated on the US and China. I am aware the most iconic character in the series is Japanese, but a little more geo-diversity wouldn't hurt.


Aquarius_D Wrote:Although, I am quite a big fan of her frozen short spiked hair look.

Oh, I wouldn't dare change that! Silly as it may sound, it's the one detail in her appearance that caught my attention. It just wouldn't be her without the stylin' cool hair.
However, I did want to spice up things a bit for her alternate. This is what I love about Namco's fighting games - they make the alternates incredibly distinct while still staying "in-character". IMHO, NRS should aim for that.


Aquarius_D Wrote:A neutral Frost does open up a lot of possibilities. Everyone does have good and bad in them after all.

As I see her, she'd definitely be neutral. I don't think I'd even qualify her as treacherous because to be treacherous you have to possess the capacity to deceive, something "my" Frost couldn't really pull since it's blatantly clear she's just looking out for no 1.
That said, I can see her helping out the heroes if it serves her own interests.


-Brad- Wrote:I tried my own hand on a Frost revamp, see what any of you think.

Good write-up. Her origins could allow for some interesting developments with Noob Saibot, and perhaps the "Netherrealm crew" as well.
That X-Ray is on Baraka levels of almost Fatality results. Ouch!
And the first Fatality sounds very promising on the visual effects.


Mojo6 Wrote:given the Lin Kuei outcome of MK 2011, I'm not sure if that sub-plot would be best served unfolding in the exact same way

Spoilers: (Highlight to reveal)
How about she fights to "de-automatomize" Sub-Zero simply because she thinks that having a tin can for a rival/mentor/etc is completely beneath her? With egocentric intentions, she ends up doing some good.



Mojo6 Wrote:ALL of my ideas were realized in Mileena aside from the icy projectile that debuffs enemy movement speed.

Reading your ideas for special moves, I see what you mean.
Similarly to the effects of the Ice Ball special you gave her, a special move idea I discarded for her involved stabbing the opponent with her fingernails, numbing the nerves, but the effect would be disabling punches or kicks for a few seconds.
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