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06/17/2010 01:24 AM (UTC)
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Im really into this new story im jst hoping it takes the right turn and the MK team doesnt do a retarded move by making it go into MK4 again with the gay characters like Shinnok and Quan Chi it will piss me off if everything goes the same way I want sum changes in people and stuff I want to see things different and not let them lead up to the same way events have happened idc even if they have to get president obama to say "At last change has come to Mortal Kombat" =P
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TheBigCityToilet
06/17/2010 01:52 AM (UTC)
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I say they should take liberties with characterization. Why? Cause there ain't much to begin with.

For every Scorpion or Johnny Cage, you got a Liu Kang with no real defining personality traits. Other franchises do it with their heroes too but MK has needs to reach beyond that.

They did good with a few of the guys in MK vs. DC (Jax in particular), but for all we know, Kitana likes to dress up in a sun hat and thong and chase butterflies when nobody's watching

I like that mental image...
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PsychoFight
06/17/2010 02:37 AM (UTC)
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I'll repost what I posted in another thread -

You know what? Fuck it.

I'm excited for this game cause I want to see how they're going to tweak it all - it is indeed a reboot. I wanna see how they switch it up.

But as far as the original MK story ending...I'll just take the intro to this new game as the official canon ending to it all. If MKA Konquest is to be trusted, Tavon defeats Blaze, attains full godhood, but instead of staving off Armageddon...he just makes all of the warriors even stronger than before and increases the likelihood of it all.

Thus, they all continue fighting senselessly and in the end...Raiden and Shao Kahn are the only ones left. Looks like Shao Kahn wins in the end and kills Raiden once and for all...and God knows what Kahn will do thereafter. Though I suppose there will always be someone to stop Kahn, as Taven promised to somehow find a way to make sure Armageddon never happens. Thus, Mortal Kombat continues for eternity, and through the past 7 games we just got to see a small slice of it. It's nothing new, just the cycle in play...it's happened before, it'll happen again...that kind of thing...

If anything, I hope the opening intro gives us SOME insight as to what went on with the other guys.


And if anybody is still interested to see our favorite characters in and out of action...I suppose we can continue to follow this new alternate timeline.
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Heavy-Rain
06/17/2010 02:39 AM (UTC)
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I could see some of these happening;

-- Either Raiden or Kung Lao winning the first tournament (why not now say Kung Lao was there with the Earth Realm warriors for the first tournament since things are different now anyways).
-- Smoke never becomes a cyborg, or undergoes the process yet comes out as some sort of failed attempt, quarter cybernetic/three-quarters human (of half-and-half, but I think he'd look better with only a portion robotic).
-- Sindel will either be resurrected and stay evil by Kahn's forces, or resurrected by Raiden's forces and stays good.


...this is more or less what i was thinking...
i believe that
- raiden, kung lao, or sub-zero will be the champion of the first tournament.
- we will see human smoke.
- sindel was never resurrected.
- sub-zero 2 turns into a cybernetic robot
- cyrax never turns into a cybernetic robot, we see his human form. In the orignal up to trilogy series sub-zero escapes the process but cyrax doesn't, i think there rolls will be reversed.
- ermac might also become a cyberborg because he is made up of souls, and he wants to be soulless so he goes through this process to become a cyborg.
- shang tsung is killed by rain.
- goro was killed by kung lao.
- shao khan fights in the first tournament with kintaro as the sub-boss.
- since sindel was never resurrected sheeva was never needed to be her protector, nevertheless i believe that she is killed by motaro.
- stryker is killed by kabal.
- taven, quan chi, and shinnok enter into the tournaments somehow.
- seerina enters the tournament after being sent by quan chin and the brotherhood of the shadow.
- rain's father is never killed by shao kahn.
- jonny cage never died. (for the first time)
- sonya is killed by kano.
- Reiko becomes the general over the hitsquads not motaro.
- noob saibot never existed or took over and became somebody else the was in the netherealm..
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Sub-Zero_7th
06/17/2010 03:25 AM (UTC)
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In the words of M. Night Shyamalan..."What a tweeest!!"

Uh, but yeah, seriously....When I read the story bits, which was not that long ago, I'd have to say that this isn't exactly the first time they tried to retell the story. MK: Shaolin Monks already changed things post MK1 through MK2 as can be seen in MK: Armageddon (e.g. Kung Lao's ending). Also, there's the Amulet mess with Quan Chi in MK: Shaolin Monks' ending as well as Shinnok's MK: Armageddon ending.

If they're trying to reboot the series and re-introduce the characters, they should have simply had a different continuity like in Transformers: Animated. Instead, they're gambling with the current story direction by trying to have this "time-traveling message" element, which could easily backfire.

I'm still glad that my expectations and hype have been low, and I'm just going to find out how the story turns out through videos and whatnot. As for those that feel they have gameplay to look forward to, well, I'll give you that, only if you're interested in casual playing. For people who play competitively on a high-level, they're probably going to find all sorts of glitches within the first week of the game's release.

Don't get me wrong. Despite my negativity, I'm still a fan of the series, and I still like the characters and ambiance. I'm just not as big of a fan as I used to be, because the MK team can't get things straight. Those that have been feeling negatively towards the handling of the story is because of the track record. You have MK: Shaolin Monks, MK: Armageddon, MK vs. DCU (even though it's non-canon), and now this.

Overall, I'm going to wait and see what happens, but I'm keeping my expectations low.
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Grizzle
06/17/2010 04:33 AM (UTC)
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Liu Kang not becoming champion of Mortal Kombat? That is an alien idea... All my years playing Mortal Kombat I always imagined Liu Kang as the champion... But now... wow what a direction to go. If that is the case than practiacally the whole story can be different? What if Scorpion still kills the orignal Sub-Zero and then becomes the champion of Mortal Kombat too? What if the Original Sub-Zero wins the tournament and we never see his younger brother be called to action? These are defining moments in the history of Mortal Kombat and now they can possibly be altered... This my friends is some HEAVY SHIT.
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06/17/2010 05:48 AM (UTC)
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There's a problem with that holding true though. For one, you would have to believe time is finite, and secondly you would also have to believe there is necessarily time to being with, in the sense that humans know it. But more importantly there is this issue of omnipotence, because Raiden is a god is he necessarily confined to time?

Agreed the paradox holds true for the most part in modern physics, but keep in mind Mortal Kombat takes place in the supernatural. They could easily get around this by saying Raiden's physical form is confined to time, but his greater consciousness operates outside of the confines of time. Yeah I understand the road we are traveling down with this logic, and to be honest I'm not a huge fan of time manipulation plots and stories, but I'm sure they will cook up something like this.

But in terms of the story, the only way to change the course of time seems to be.... not to win. Dealing with Shang Tsung proved to irrelevant because Shao Kahn interfered anyway, luring forces to outworld, then stepping through the dimensional gates. Shao Kahn proved to be irrelevant because of Shinnok and the amulet, Shinnok in turn was irrelevant because Quan Chi took the amulet. That farce proved to be irrelevant because of the Kamidogu and the Dragon King, then of couse that become irrelevant because of blaze holding the ultimate power to defeat the dragon king. Looking at the story in retrospect makes the entire series seem completely irrelevant.

Perhaps the angle of this story will be Raiden flat out breaking the rules of the tournament, at least eventually because he realizes basically himself and the forces of earth proved to be more powerful than basically every other thing out there except maybe the dragon king and whatever power blaze held.... So why bother fighting the tournament at all. Everyone breaks the rules, and there are few penalties. The elder gods couldn't even save themselves, yet somehow the earth warriors made it to the last apocalyptic battle?

And another question.... why send a message to yourself at the beginning of MK 1, why not 10,000 years ago before he battled Shinnok? Obviously logic is not the reasoning, they wanted to reboot the series and go back to the games hayday.

I think the best course of action for the MK team would be to make small changes, have Kung Lao win the first tournament, Raiden then realizes Shao Kahn is a bigger threat, and he must make some huge decision to change the fate of history... so he confronts Shao Kahn in outworld, realizes he has made a grave mistake he freely opens up earth realm to outworld and allows Kahn to cross the dimensional gates, understanding the inevitability of the tournament Raiden rages Mortal Kombat Against Shao Kahn and outworld on behalf of earth (the same way Shao Kahn has been trying to do for millenia). This puts Kahn on the defensive and because this tournament would take place in outworld Shao Kahn is no longer ever powerful in the newly merged Realm. Realizes you cannot change destiny only the details, Lui Kang Defeats Shao Kahn in Mortal Kombat, killing him fully and forever. After Kahn's defeat, Lui kang dissolves the merged worlds of outworld, thus leaving him champion.

It probably won't happen that way, but I mean when you put everything together and look at it in retrospect the story is so screwed up, bent and twisted anway, It kind of needs a fresh slate. And besides what in the hell can honestly happen after Armageddon? They almost have to play the "this is the way it was suppose to happen card."
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06/17/2010 01:41 PM (UTC)
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mkraiden Wrote:
There's a problem with that holding true though. For one, you would have to believe time is finite, and secondly you would also have to believe there is necessarily time to being with, in the sense that humans know it. But more importantly there is this issue of omnipotence, because Raiden is a god is he necessarily confined to time?

Agreed the paradox holds true for the most part in modern physics, but keep in mind Mortal Kombat takes place in the supernatural. They could easily get around this by saying Raiden's physical form is confined to time, but his greater consciousness operates outside of the confines of time. Yeah I understand the road we are traveling down with this logic, and to be honest I'm not a huge fan of time manipulation plots and stories, but I'm sure they will cook up something like this.

But in terms of the story, the only way to change the course of time seems to be.... not to win. Dealing with Shang Tsung proved to irrelevant because Shao Kahn interfered anyway, luring forces to outworld, then stepping through the dimensional gates. Shao Kahn proved to be irrelevant because of Shinnok and the amulet, Shinnok in turn was irrelevant because Quan Chi took the amulet. That farce proved to be irrelevant because of the Kamidogu and the Dragon King, then of couse that become irrelevant because of blaze holding the ultimate power to defeat the dragon king. Looking at the story in retrospect makes the entire series seem completely irrelevant.

Perhaps the angle of this story will be Raiden flat out breaking the rules of the tournament, at least eventually because he realizes basically himself and the forces of earth proved to be more powerful than basically every other thing out there except maybe the dragon king and whatever power blaze held.... So why bother fighting the tournament at all. Everyone breaks the rules, and there are few penalties. The elder gods couldn't even save themselves, yet somehow the earth warriors made it to the last apocalyptic battle?

And another question.... why send a message to yourself at the beginning of MK 1, why not 10,000 years ago before he battled Shinnok? Obviously logic is not the reasoning, they wanted to reboot the series and go back to the games hayday.

I think the best course of action for the MK team would be to make small changes, have Kung Lao win the first tournament, Raiden then realizes Shao Kahn is a bigger threat, and he must make some huge decision to change the fate of history... so he confronts Shao Kahn in outworld, realizes he has made a grave mistake he freely opens up earth realm to outworld and allows Kahn to cross the dimensional gates, understanding the inevitability of the tournament Raiden rages Mortal Kombat Against Shao Kahn and outworld on behalf of earth (the same way Shao Kahn has been trying to do for millenia). This puts Kahn on the defensive and because this tournament would take place in outworld Shao Kahn is no longer ever powerful in the newly merged Realm. Realizes you cannot change destiny only the details, Lui Kang Defeats Shao Kahn in Mortal Kombat, killing him fully and forever. After Kahn's defeat, Lui kang dissolves the merged worlds of outworld, thus leaving him champion.

It probably won't happen that way, but I mean when you put everything together and look at it in retrospect the story is so screwed up, bent and twisted anway, It kind of needs a fresh slate. And besides what in the hell can honestly happen after Armageddon? They almost have to play the "this is the way it was suppose to happen card."


Good logic, this reminds me of the Terminator films which went by a single message "There is no fate but which me make" Maybe in Raiden's timeline the so called "Canon" that we've been following for years results in just about everyone getting killed thus becoming the Armageddon. So Raiden sending his message back in time is the only way we can see our favorite characters again and thus trully prevent all the events leading up to Armageddon. Imagine what the Earth warriors are capable of when knowing about Shinnok before hand and the Deadly Alliance.

Kung Lao winning the tournament would take away from his character I feel, but it would be nice to see Liu Kang play a role as the underestimated hero that everyone doubts, but only Raiden knows his true potential. Man, this is a really fresh take on everything we have come to know.
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Zidane_FF
06/19/2010 05:02 AM (UTC)
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If Raiden in the past kills Blaze so the Armageddon would never happen?

Maybe that why he is not in the background of The Pit II anymore.
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reppy
06/20/2010 12:15 AM (UTC)
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Gameplay looks great.
Story looks awful.
That is all.
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QueenSindel(TheBitch)
06/22/2010 07:02 PM (UTC)
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XiahouDun84 Wrote:
QueenSindel(TheBitch) Wrote:
I'm surprised you're not interested in seeing what changes will come to Kitana's story.

I shudder to even think. As you may recall, they already tried to recreate MK2/MK3 era Kitana....twice.
Shaolin (It's supposed to be MK2) Monks and MK (This is circa MK3) DC.

Neither effort turned out so hot.


But it doesn't matter anymore. Now I effectively have no right to complain about what they do with Kitana...because this won't be the real Kitana. It'll be alternate/Ultimate/rebooted Kitana.

So what's the point?

MKDC hardly recreated Kitana. They just gave a lame bio and portrayed her as some airhead girlfriend.

Shaolin Monks, yes, but as is that was the only flaw in the story. Everything was ruined by that game, not just Kitana. I don't think that was meant to be taken seriously anyway.

Whether this is or not going to be the "real" Kitana doesn't matter, imo, because this is the Kitana we're gonna have to live with from now on. So she's gonna be real enough.

Whether her coming changes will be interesting or not, I'm glad that at least she'll gain a new purpose. As you know, she's been stale as hell since MK4 when her purpose become no different than Liu's or Sonya's. Ever since she joined the Super Friends, she's been boring as fuck, just aiding Liu's cause like so many others.

Now that we're returning to day 1, she will not be in that position anymore. This is before the super friends recruited her, so I'm interested in what her new position will be. She might be destined to join the super friends again, or she might now. Either way, she'll be facing personal relationship-based problems in this game since that's what she did in MK2/MK3 so I'm eager to see what's in store for her because of that.
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06/23/2010 01:48 PM (UTC)
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Zidane_FF Wrote:
If Raiden in the past kills Blaze so the Armageddon would never happen?

Maybe that why he is not in the background of The Pit II anymore.


Hehe, I don't think the changes are ever going to be that drastic.
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06/23/2010 06:17 PM (UTC)
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QueenSindel(TheBitch) Wrote:
"Boon: "Mortal Kombat has this timeline - eighteen years of making games, and we really didn't want to just continue, like, chapter seventeen of the whole story," says Ed Boon, the co-creator of the series. "So we're kind of doing a Back to the Future type of thing, where Raiden is about to be killed by Shao Kahn, and just before he delivers the last blow, he sends a mental message to his earlier self, so the camera rewinds back to Mortal Kombat 1. The Raiden from back then gets a message and he doesn't know what's going on, but he knows something bad's going to happen, and the game spans Mortal Kombat 1, 2 and 3, retelling the story with an enlightened Raiden, and he's changing the course of things, so everything you've seen happen before – Liu Kang winning, the guys turning into cybernetic ninjas, are changed around, so you might see a character become cybernetic who wasn't before, and so you see a different version [of events].""

I haven't heard many comments about the story yet.

Does anybody else think this is a BRILLIANT idea?

Surely, no one saw this coming. It's such a smart, effective way of starting fresh without throwing 16 years of stories in the garbage.

I'm very excited about this, namely because of the "different version of events" that'll take place. I mean, essentially, what is Raiden gonna change and how? Afterall, one change in an event can have a domino effect, right? Very intruiging, imo. I did not expect this in the slightest.

Please discuss the story here.


Technically all Raiden would need to do is send a message to his oldself telling him to stand down as defender of Earth Realm and replace himself with Fujin (like his MK4 ending) instead so that Shao Kahn killing him in the present would not affect the Earth Realm.

Somehow I doubt it will be as simple as that (if so it's going to be a short game), so I wouldn't be supprised if Raiden did some sort of domino effect where he got his oldself to change one thing that caused something else to change which caused another thing to change thus making it so Shao Kahn never got round to killing him?
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RedSumac
06/23/2010 08:15 PM (UTC)
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The only thing I find disappointing about MK9 right now - is the story.

While MK had great "chapters" and bad "chapters" in its story, at least it was a continous story. It was going from point A to point B. Some characters've got development - some not.
Now it is useless reboot for money. To hell with all character development, to hell with multiple plots and everything that make MK world and its charactsers so interesting.
Now it's square one.

And while I believe, that this idea has great potential, to flesh out characters more, than in original games, the whole premise sounds like a fanfic material. And overall I personally really wanted to see the consequences of MKA, than MKT Remixed.
Well anything for money. At least they couldn't mess this up like MKSM. Or...confused
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06/23/2010 10:14 PM (UTC)
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This whole thing reminds me of the "One More Day" story in Spiderman. It basically erased the last 20 years of comic continuity, which pissed off fans to no end.

And here it is, this new MK is coming out almost 20 years after the 1st game debuted and they're doing the same thing. So. Fucking. Lame. You know, people get attached to these characters and follow the story. So yeah, it's not uncommon to find people that really care about what happens with the cast and their world. Then someone comes in and pulls this shit. It erases everything.

All that charactrer development over the last 20 years? Gone.
All the battles, the epic moments along with the minor? Gone.
Everything is GONE.

Why even bother following the story anymore? I guess we'll get to look forward to another 20 years of Scorpion chasing after revenge and Sonya chasing after Kano. Until Raiden sends another message back in time and erases everything for a 2nd time. Won't that be fucking wonderful?

Goddammit, MK Team.

And assuming there's a slim chance that nothing is changed and this is just a conveinent excuse to revisit the MK1-MKT era, why not just label it as a simple expanded telling? If they had said this was a remake, and that the story and everything else would stay the same, I would be fine with it. I'm all for graphically superior updates once in a while. Just look at Mario Allstars on the SNES or Bionic Commando Rearmed, Love 'em.

Mortal Kombat though... *sigh* why do I bother?
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06/23/2010 10:18 PM (UTC)
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reppy Wrote:
This whole thing reminds me of the "One More Day" story in Spiderman. It basically erased the last 20 years of comic continuity, which pissed off fans to no end.

And here it is, this new MK is coming out almost 20 years after the 1st game debuted and they're doing the same thing. So. Fucking. Lame. You know, people get attached to these characters and follow the story. So yeah, it's not uncommon to find people that really care about what happens with the cast and their world. Then someone comes in and pulls this shit. It erases everything.

All that charactrer development over the last 20 years? Gone.
All the battles, the epic moments along with the minor? Gone.
Everything is GONE.

Why even bother following the story anymore? I guess we'll get to look forward to another 20 years of Scorpion chasing after revenge and Sonya chasing after Kano. Until Raiden sends another message back in time and erases everything for a 2nd time. Won't that be fucking wonderful?

Goddammit, MK Team.

And assuming there's a slim chance that nothing is changed and this is just a conveinent excuse to revisit the MK1-MKT era, why not just label it as a simple expanded telling? If they had said this was a remake, and that the story and everything else would stay the same, I would be fine with it. I'm all for graphically superior updates once in a while. Just look at Mario Allstars on the SNES or Bionic Commando Rearmed, Love 'em.

Mortal Kombat though... *sigh* why do I bother?


Well put. I feel pretty much exactly the same. Though I'm trying not to get too angry and negative until the game's actually out and we know how just bad the damage really is.
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06/24/2010 12:07 AM (UTC)
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I have always like the MK storyline even though it has went through some low points as of late... This new storyline could be a monstrous mess, and if it is I'll just play it for the characters and take the story with a grain of salt...

I would like to see Raiden go back to his MK1 roots in the end and kinda do a big FU to everybody and have Raiden summon down the other Gods for a battle that would destroy the earth, I always did want to see his MK1 ending come true...
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