I don't think they stopped because of things like that. I'm sure that the MK team wanted to simply do something new with their fighting system since they used essentially the same kind of fighting system for three games.



From my understanding, the whole Ng Mui story is more myth than fact. It's more likely that arts such as Wing Chun were developed by multiple individuals who were rebelling against the Manchurians. I wish I could recall where I got this idea from, but it's been a while, so sue me. The point I'm making here is that you have certain martial arts styles, especially Asian martial arts, that have a sort of notoriety for exaggerating their origins to give a sense of mysticism.

As for the "hard, external styles" thing, it's not really as black and white as that. It's more like with some Chinese martial arts, you go from external to internal and with others, you go the opposite path. For most people, studying arts that start off as more external would probably be easier for them. You do have styles like Xingyiquan which are great as a bridging gap.



Jeet Kune Do is meant to be one's individual expression of the martial arts, so you could say that all of the characters are using Jeet Kune Do in at least that sense. Still, it's not a "style", per se. Liu Kang used Jun Fan Kung Fu in MK: Deception and MK: Armageddon as that was the modified form of Wing Chun that Bruce developed. Bruce's personal expression of the martial arts is Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do though the name isn't really all that important, especially compared to what it is about.



Wushu is one of the many generic terms used for Chinese martial arts, just like Kung Fu/Gong Fu, Kuoshu, Quan Fa/Chuan Fa, etc.

Liu Kang - Jun Fan Kung fu

Kung Lao - Hybrid mixes of many different kung fu styles, mainly Chinese Kempo for the fast strikes.

Sonya - looks like Millitary Taekwondo.

Jax - Muay Thai mixed with wrestling I think...

Scorpion - Looks a lot like Hapkido on acid.

Sub Zero - Stupid looking street brawling mixed with some dragon form moves.

Johnny Cage - A mix of different martial arts, I would say Boxing mixed with Karate, or kickboxing mixed with kung fu.



You know, there's so many fighting styles, it's hard to tell.

Shao Kahn uses Rape Fist

*Starts to say something, then stops*
Nah, that's about right.

Reptiles crabstyle is my all time favourite from deadly alliance. When ever someone bust out one of those joke (i know karate and 36 other deadly words) I bust out crabstyle, start playfully attacking people with it... most think im on acid, some people get it lol

Im sure smokes stance has some sort of name, im no martial arts expert.

I'm pretty sure they're just flailing their arms and legs around in a way that looks awesome, brutal, and characteristic.

Eh, the technicus terminus for the martial art that Bruce Lee used is NAMED Jun Fan (Jeet Kune Do), which is by all means also his name. Essentialy you can say, and you SHOULD say if you are specific. Check Bruce's JKD organization firsthand.

What I practice is castellan wrestling by Ringeck. Ringeck is the name of a long time dead armsmaster, but in this case it also refers to Ringeck's particular wrestling (Ringen, Ringem am Schwert). This is also a terminological proper word in HEMAC and ARMA organizations. Also same goes to Lichetaver style Ringen.

Hell, Wing Tsun/Chun/Tchun is named after the pupil of the anecdotal Ng Mui meaning Eternal Spring. Pai Mei Quan is literally named after Bak Mei/Pai Mei the historical figure. Shaolin buddhist Arhat styles are named after Arhats. Hakka styles are named after the Hakka.

This is not new to martial arts, and you (general populace caring about martial arts) have been using style titles which are, by all means Personal Names.

By all means, again, Liu Kang's fighting style (at least what we see of it as a stylized representation) IS Bruce Lee/Jun Fan not only in his epinomous stylebut in personality.... I think being a Brucesploitation character was kinda a giveaway.

Weirdest thing, try tu surf the net and you will find Ng Mui figuratively speaking. Probably the case of mythified individuals, basically folk heroes to certain subsets of the society. Probably real person

Frankly speaking I have never seen a historical method that combined neijin with the external. Mostly because Shaolin and Wudang never really got together on "those" friendly terms.

Infact, I am kinda seeing them as atavistic and retrograde(?), up to modern times styles really didn't intermingle that much when it comes to the Chinese, and the Japanese were sealocked anyway and pretty much grew up in it's own military world.

My other beef is that external/internal styles basically provide the same results, conceptually speaking they are different, only a good biochemistry analysis would tell for sure that there is a damn difference. it's perhaps akin to going a full circle in a circle road, but you decide which way to start.
Gotta love the Chinese though, Europeans didn't have the time to ponder on such stuff by courtesy of being in effin' war danger constantly. Method -> Result -> Works for you? Use it. Simple pattern.

MK9?

Shé Quán. Snake style or Shé people style. Without the lowered posture of Shang Tsung from MKDA. At least the hands are similar to it.

Not sure why would you place your guard down on your waist though....

All MK characters are proficient in the ancient (and only) American martial art known as 'No-can-do'.

There is only one person in the world who does that and her name is Willow Smith.

You are, quite possibly, the dumbest and most pathetic little troll I've ever seen.

Anyways, is it just me or does it look like Jade uses some Kuo Shuo strikes....? I'm no expert.. Something about her punches reminds me of her (albeit) far-fetched Kuo Shuo stance from Deception...

The phrase Kuo Shou, Kuoshu, etc. is basically "martial art". It does not get more nondescript from that. Same with wushu, or gong/kung fu (remember that phrase "his/her/my kung fu was strong" ? Turns out it more or less is correct, as Gong Fu means "great skill" in something).

Same way Yuan Yang and Ying Yeung styles are basically the same. Same with Ba Shan Fan and Mi Tzu.

@Rockchalk5477

PM me your email and we'll hook up sometime in a ring somewhere and we'll see whose martial art is 'dumber' and more 'patheitc', Gen Wii fantard. ^_-

Hellnono, you are an idiot, shut up. Stop being so butt hurt because your government banned MK and you have to wait til a rating system comes out still.

Ohhh...interesting. Thanks for clearing that up.

Enough with the flames or some of you guys are going to get in trouble.

Anyway, cool thread and great input/observations!

Sonya definitely seems to have some kind of Tae Kwon Do.

Jax feels (a bit) like wrestler.

Let me clarify. When it comes to the Chinese martial arts, it's not as black and white as Shaolin being "external" and Wudang being "internal". That's a gross over-generalization. For example, Chen style Taijiquan comes from Sanhuang Paochui, a style that's associated with Shaolin. My understanding is that Paochui has internal elements, hence the Paochui form in Chen style Taijiquan. I learned a wee bit of the Yang style, which developed out of the Chen style if I remember correctly, so I don't know man...I mean, aren't arts like Taijiquan associated with Wudang?

As for Ng Mui, even if she was a historical figure, I'm pretty sure that attributing the creation of Wing Chun to her is only in the Yip Man lineage. I could be wrong about that though. Either way, it's kind of typical of traditional Chinese martial arts to be attributed to something like Shaolin or attributed to being founded by someone special to make the art sound great.

For example, there are several styles, such as Xingyiquan and Fanziquan, that are attributed to General Yue Fei. You even have Yuejiaquan (Yue family fist) that's also attributed to him, but just how many of these styles are really connected to him? When you get right down to it, it's all about the power of the myth.



Actually, Kuoshu means something more along the lines of "national art". But yeah, you more or less have the right idea.

I'm kind of thinking that Ying Yeung is made up. Maybe it exists, but even if it does, it's some pretty damn obscure style. I don't think it's the same as Yuanyangquan though. As for Bashanfan and Mizuquan, I disagree. I think what you really meant was that Bashanfan and Fanziquan are the same. The thing about Mizuquan, which by the way, I kind of commend the MK team for using due to being a much less known Chinese martial art, is that it's more of a long-ranged style. You have the Long Fist elements akin to what you see in Chaquan or in the Northern Shaolin stuff.

Then again, it gets a little bit confusing sometimes, because you'll have certain names of martial arts that are used as forms or as alternate names of other, unrelated arts. I believe this is the case with Yuanyangquan and Chuojiaoquan. Even though they are both traditional Northern Chinese martial arts that specialize in kicking techniques, they are separate styles as Yuanyangquan, the martial art, is imitative of the Mandarin duck. There's also Tantui, where you see that as the name of certain forms but you have the art itself.

At least with Japanese martial arts, it's a bit more organized where you have the name of the tradition and the arts/methods that are taught within it.

I loved that style,i was so happy when i found the movie were that style came from(doesn't hurt the movie was awesome)

@Legendary-Scorpion

Got the crappy drinks coaster, FYI... and it's going back on ebay as soon as I can be bothered listing the piece of shit.

So go back to mashing triggers and drooling at gore and shallow, casualized gameplay, because that's obviously what you love to do.

Sounds like someone needs a hug.
It won't be from me, I'm allergic to trolls.

Here we go, this is stuff we had to learn aditionally to the techniques, theories and phillosofies in order to continue with our learning:

At the end of the Ming dinasty, the Manchus (I'm not sure of the spelling in english of that one) attacked the Shaolin temple of the north because they supported the previous dinasty. They fled to the south and formed where they formed a new temple in the province of Fukien (or Fujian). On this temple appeared 5 great masters Ng Mui , Jee Seen, Bak Mei, Fung Do Duck and Miao Hin. The one I will focus on is Ng Mui.

This temple was considered a threat and was destroyed, it's believed that one of the masters betrayed them from the inside. The masters were forced to scape on different directions.

There are some theories about Ng Mui, like he being a woman wich is extremly unlikely because of the machism of the country, specially on that era. Others say that he was forced to dress like a woman to scape. The most accepted theory, at least on the circles where I've learn, is that he scaped to Bak Hok Gwoon, near to Yunan, and the mountain Chai Ha.

He met Yim Lee and his daughter Wing Chun (the origin of the style name, wich means "sweet spring" or "ode to the spring"). A bad man stronger than Wing Chun or Yim Lee wanted to marry Wing Chun, it was then that Ng Mui teached Wing Chun the style he was forming during his meditations at Chai Ha probably looking how Cranes and Snakes moved (this part of the animals is more speculation than anything). Wing Chun claimed that he would marry the man who could defeat her, and thanks to this style made to win without the need of strength or a great effort (one of the principles of the style is the echonomization of efforts) she beat that man.

She later married Leung Bok Chau, another martial artist and teached him the style. He named the style Wing Chun Kuen (fist of Wing Chun) in honor to his wife.

Leung Bok Chau passed this techniques to Leung Lan-Kwai, who passed them to Wong Wah-Bo, a member of the opera company Hung Sei Hei Ban (or Red Rush), where he met Leung Yee-Tai. It happened that Jee Seen, another of the 5 masters I said at the beginning was there working as a cooker to hide himself. He shown the technique of the 6 points and half bo (really I know many of this names literal traslations in spanish but I'm not sure of the exact way they are said on english, maybe some are wrong, I'm using literal traslations) to Leung Yee-Tai. Leung Yee-Tai and Wong Wah-Bo exchanged martial arts knowledge and this way the 6 points and half bo thecnique was added to Wing Chun.

Later Leung Yee-Tai felt sick and the doctor who saved him, Leung Yan learned from him the complete Wing Chun. This doctor was a famous martial artist too and many masters came to prove themselves against him.

Leung Yan decided to teach the style only to very skilled people, among them his 2 sons Leung Bik and leung Chun, close friends Fung Wah and Chu Yuk, and another named Chan Wah Shun, also known as Jow Chin Wah.The last one, due to his domain of the style and his dedication was the heir of the style, a place normally occuped by the sons.

From there the style spread at great speed in all directions. In occident it's specially known thanks to Master Yip Man (or Ip Man).

My Si Fu didn't learn directly from him but met him and he passed some time with him and during that time he met Bruce Lee.

This is what I know from my masters about the origins of the style. It has to be marked that some parts, specially the origins are half historic half legend, so it isn't sure how it started, but the nun part is very unlikely because of how was the society. The most probable origin and the one my masters prefer to teach (always pointing how this is in part legend) is that Ng Mui teached it to Wing Chun so she could avoid marrying that bad man.

Sorry for my english I know I fail many times when I explain this type of stuff.

P.S: For what I know, but maybe I'm wrong, Junf Fan means true form, so Jun Fan Jet Kune Doo basically means true form Jet Kune Doo, or in other words, the real Jet Kune Doo. Nearly every form of martial art is really a phillosophy, but it doesn't mean that Jet Kune Doo isn't also used with all its theories as a martial style.