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01/03/2015 12:12 AM EST
"Mortal Kombat X creative director Ed Boon has recently discussed the female representation of characters in the Mortal Kombat franchise.

During an interview with GamesMaster magazine, Boon was asked about his thoughts regarding the ongoing GamerGate movement — a debate that started last year surrounding ‘ethics in gaming journalism’ — and how it may relate to the female characters from the well-known series.

“I feel like MK represents empowered females more than almost any game out there,” he said. “You know, Mileena, Kitana, Sonya, now Cassie Cage — she’s going to one of the stars of this thing [Mortal Kombat X]. So I don’t think anybody can associate Mortal Kombat with any kind of...

“Our female characters are treated exactly like our male characters, and we have a higher percentage of female characters than almost any fighting game, so I really believe that Mortal Kombat represents empowered women more than almost any game. I hold that up against almost any franchise at all.”


There is one part I noticed in the article here
"and we have a higher percentage of female characters than almost any fighting game"
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01/03/2015 12:20 AM EST
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"Mortal Kombat X creative director Ed Boon has recently discussed the female representation of characters in the Mortal Kombat franchise.

During an interview with GamesMaster magazine, Boon was asked about his thoughts regarding the ongoing GamerGate movement — a debate that started last year surrounding ‘ethics in gaming journalism’ — and how it may relate to the female characters from the well-known series.

“I feel like MK represents empowered females more than almost any game out there,” he said. “You know, Mileena, Kitana, Sonya, now Cassie Cage — she’s going to one of the stars of this thing [Mortal Kombat X]. So I don’t think anybody can associate Mortal Kombat with any kind of...

“Our female characters are treated exactly like our male characters, and we have a higher percentage of female characters than almost any fighting game, so I really believe that Mortal Kombat represents empowered women more than almost any game. I hold that up against almost any franchise at all.”


There is one part I noticed in the article here
"and we have a higher percentage of female characters than almost any fighting game"


I think he means female characters in general not in MKX. Mortal Kombat in General has more female characters than any fighting game.

I highly doubt MKX will have more female characters than male or even half as much as males.

People will tell you perspectives have changed and females now get a fair treatment when it comes to gaming, but that's a big fat lie.

It's really sad that females don't get the same treatment as males when it comes to gaming because female gamers are increasing by the day.

Just look at Injustice which was only a little over a year in half ago.

It had 6 female characters from a 24 roster and 2 more were added later as DLC.

My thoughts we will get about 7-8 female characters.

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01/03/2015 12:23 AM EST
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I think he means female characters in general not in MKX. Mortal Kombat in General has more female characters than any fighting game.


I posted this here because he said that in an interview about MKX, but i agree, i don't think he's saying there'll be a huge amount of female characters in this game, BUT i think he's referring to MKX when he says they'll get better representation than in previous games. And i disagree, Tekken, DOA and Soul Calibur have more female characters, Street Fighter has around the same amount.
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01/03/2015 12:31 AM EST
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sharefrock Wrote:
I think he means female characters in general not in MKX. Mortal Kombat in General has more female characters than any fighting game.


I posted this here because he said that in an interview about MKX, but i agree, i don't think he's saying there'll be a huge amount of female characters in this game, BUT i think he's referring to MKX when he says they'll get better representation than in previous games. And i disagree, Tekken, DOA and Soul Calibur have more female characters, Street Fighter has around the same amount.


I never said the Ed boon was right with saying MK has more female characters I just said what I think he meant.

As for female representation then yes, you can actually already see that Cassie cage. wears actual SF uniform instead of her mother's BS uniform which looks like something made specifically for cosplay.

I mean she is in SF and yet she wears a freaking thong to fight.

It was ridiculous how sexuallized female characters were in MK9.

They had Mileena fighting with literally just a few toilet papers stringed together in one of her costumes.

As for MKX you can already see there is a huge change when it comes to female characters.
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01/03/2015 12:36 AM EST
I agree, the females that have been shown so far have modest designs and elegant. Kitana and Sonya will follow suit.

But Mileena will bring in the hotness for the pervs when she's revealed.
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01/03/2015 01:06 AM EST
I didn't know what to expect with the thread title LOL

Answer was stated above so I won't beat a dead horse
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01/03/2015 12:05 PM EST
If the next reveal is NOT a female, my best guess is that the ones who are present in MKX, play a huge part in the story. And that's just something they might not be ready to show off yet.

I had always thought MK had the most interesting females anyway, and the majority of them are badasses. (Although MK9 Kitana was not empowered...like AT ALL, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms)
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01/03/2015 12:46 PM EST
The only real gripe I can see people having with MK's representation of females is how "sexy" they make them, especially in MK9 but I don't think that is going to be a big think in X, Cassie who he just said is one of the heroes, barley shows any skin at all besides her face.

D'vorah is a little more showy because of "dem legs tho" but she is nowhere near as bad as some of the MK9 female outfits, she mainly shows her legs and belly, but its still an improvement from MK9 IMO.

Ferra doesn't seem too bad either, she shows a little skin but she doesn't look like she just came out of the latest swimsuit catalogue, which shows improvement IMO

I personally didn't have an issue with MK9's female outfits, but I understand why some did lol

The other issue is the male to female ratio, and I really don't know what to say about that, I like the female characters but most of my mains are males besides Mileena so it isn't something I have put a lot of thought into, I think I want Cassie to be one of my mains this time around though she seems fun.
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01/03/2015 02:39 PM EST
I'm hopeful the reason they are taking a long time to reveal the women is because they are spending a bit longer modelling them, after some of the issues they had with MK9 and Injustice.

I'm not worried about the how many there will be, since NRS do generally have a decent ratio. I think we'll see 6 ladies minimum. That's not a lot in my eyes, but for most fighting games with a mid twenties roster its pretty good.
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01/03/2015 06:41 PM EST
Boon shouldn't have to defend the "portrayal of women" in his game. That's a ridiculous question that shouldn't even be brought up. Also lol@"equal treatment" = equal ratio of male/female characters. No... I'm so tired of this politically correct crap that it gets on my nerves but I've come to expect it in MK game. They did create age rating in the states, only this time it's not about the violence, it's about sonyas tits hanging out. The people complaining probably don't even play mk, I don't hear female fans complain.
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01/03/2015 08:38 PM EST
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Boon shouldn't have to defend the "portrayal of women" in his game. That's a ridiculous question that shouldn't even be brought up.

Also lol@"equal treatment" = equal ratio of male/female characters. No... I'm so tired of this politically correct crap that it gets on my nerves but I've come to expect it in MK game. They did create age rating in the states, only this time it's not about the violence, it's about sonyas tits hanging out. The people complaining probably don't even play mk, I don't hear female fans complain.
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01/03/2015 08:53 PM EST
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"Mortal Kombat X creative director Ed Boon has recently discussed the female representation of characters in the Mortal Kombat franchise.

During an interview with GamesMaster magazine, Boon was asked about his thoughts regarding the ongoing GamerGate movement — a debate that started last year surrounding ‘ethics in gaming journalism’ — and how it may relate to the female characters from the well-known series.

“I feel like MK represents empowered females more than almost any game out there,” he said. “You know, Mileena, Kitana, Sonya, now Cassie Cage — she’s going to one of the stars of this thing [Mortal Kombat X]. So I don’t think anybody can associate Mortal Kombat with any kind of...

“Our female characters are treated exactly like our male characters, and we have a higher percentage of female characters than almost any fighting game, so I really believe that Mortal Kombat represents empowered women more than almost any game. I hold that up against almost any franchise at all.”


There is one part I noticed in the article here
"and we have a higher percentage of female characters than almost any fighting game"


I thank Ed Boon and his friends for inventing an epic franchise such as Mortal Kombat.

As a female fan of Mortal Kombat, I want to play as a strong female fighter. Mortal Kombat indeed as some of the most badasss female fighters that I can relate to.

Kitana, Sindel, Sonya Blade, Kassonya Cage, Trollanya, etc are all powerful martial artists that can do some epic fatalities.

My favorite kharakter quotes in MK9 :
Sindel : "You are pathetic and weak."
Kitana : "You will learn respect."

ROTFL. My favorite MK9 quotes. So simple, yet so flawless. Put those male fighters in their place! LOL I like it when female kharakters troll like that.

The only other female kharakter that's as badasss as Mortal Kombat, if not more, is the epik giraffe Bayonetta. This is why I want Ed Boon to steal and copy/palette-swap this kharakter for Mortal Kombat. lol

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sharefrock Wrote:
I think he means female characters in general not in MKX. Mortal Kombat in General has more female characters than any fighting game.


I posted this here because he said that in an interview about MKX, but i agree, i don't think he's saying there'll be a huge amount of female characters in this game, BUT i think he's referring to MKX when he says they'll get better representation than in previous games. And i disagree, Tekken, DOA and Soul Calibur have more female characters, Street Fighter has around the same amount.


Speaking of quantity, Mortal Kombat doesn't need too many females, in my opinion. And I'm a girl.
Females can be strong warriors, but in general men are stronger than women. They have more muscle mass. It makes sense to have way more male fighters.
Can you imagine a Mortal Kombat game with 20 females and only 5 males? LMAO!!!
It would be a flopasss tragik mess of gigantic fail proportions.
Mortal Kombat is perfect the way it is, I think.

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As for female representation then yes, you can actually already see that Cassie cage. wears actual SF uniform instead of her mother's BS uniform which looks like something made specifically for cosplay.

I mean she is in SF and yet she wears a freaking thong to fight.

It was ridiculous how sexuallized female characters were in MK9.

They had Mileena fighting with literally just a few toilet papers stringed together in one of her costumes.

As for MKX you can already see there is a huge change when it comes to female characters.


Personally, I think females should be free to do what they want and wear what they want. For example : if you want a style like Ashrah, that's fine. And if you want toilet paper like Mileena, that's also okay. It's a free country/realm.
If Shao Kahn and Goro want to wear mini shorts, it's great. And if Shinnok wants to be in a big robe, it's cool! It's all good. glasses smile
The diversity in Mortal Kombat is good.
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01/03/2015 10:03 PM EST
Exactly Maria.
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01/03/2015 10:24 PM EST
The problem with all-too revealing outfits is that it takes away from a detailed, full-blown, head to toe design a character COULD have. Just look how amazing all the designs are for MKX! Why would you wanna miss out on that for your favorite characters?

And sometimes, even just the design itself can add depth and nuance to a character.
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01/03/2015 10:35 PM EST
I'm all for better design but I hate when people try to push developers on defense with this "perfect portrayal of women" like there is only one correct way to portray a female character. I see other games get called sexist and people raise hell just because the women are showing a little cleavage and that's crazy. There is nothing wrong with sexy or over the top characters, especially in mortal kombat.
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01/03/2015 10:45 PM EST
Until we see more characters, it's impossible to say what the trend is for female design in MKX.

I have no agenda either way. The only problem I had with the female MK9 designs was that they looked poorly rendered and some of the costumes looked bad. That's about it.
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01/03/2015 11:12 PM EST
Yeah I don't have a problem with the skimpy outfits, I actually like them especially when they fit the character such as Mileena. I'm simply saying I understand why some people do. I don't 100% agree with it since ive always thought that a games' creators and devs should be able to portray their characters however they want to, but I get the other perspective.

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01/03/2015 11:28 PM EST
Cassie is the opposite of Sonya design wise and I'm fine with that too, she actually looks military. In the mag it says "boon defends mortal kombats portrayal of women" and I don't think he or the designers should have to. Mk is a goofy over the top franchise. That's all I'm saying, he gave the right answer regardless lol.
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01/04/2015 12:56 AM EST
Hello, everyone! Glad you've opened the topic which means it concerns some of you.
After reading Ed's statement I tried to put together some contra arguments hoping Ed himself will see them. Here's a very short video CLICK

You should take a look at the full article "We're losing all our Strong Female Characters to Trinity Syndrome" that I used for the video.

There's a full questionnaire at the end. Answering it will help us carry on our discussion at a new level!

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01/04/2015 05:09 AM EST
MK really only has so many female characters because of their constant roster overhauls. The most prominent women in MK debuted in the first two games with every subsequent woman playing a losing battle of trying to keep up.

That said I think the women of MK do pretty well. Of course MK is a world full of badassery so even the altruistic princess of a paradise realm will behead you.

Typically I don't have a problem with skimpy outfits on females but in MK9 they overall design scheme seemed to be "how much boob can we show without getting areola". Like someone mentioned earlier in the thread it kind of limited the clothing/body damage options because there was nothing to really take away from and a lot of the designs were just bad designs.

In general I wouldn't say MK is a shining beacon of feminism in games but they're certainly not worse than any of the other fighting game franchises.
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01/04/2015 08:29 AM EST
A user named Kombat King left s good comment on youtube. I'd like to share our conversation here:

"Didnt SINDEL kill like 5 or 6 characters in the STORY of mk9? A female, right? And just because a female isnt saving the day doesnt make them weak. Lui kang is the hero of the franchise and Raiden is a God so of course they will drive the story. Look at Baraka, Reptile, Smoke, Cyrax, Sektor, Striker, Kabal, even Sub-zero and Scorpion mostly only play secondary roles in the main stories. I see kinda what you're saying but i dont think its so bad."

I think many of you will agree with him.

Being strong/weak isn't about kill count, saving the day or getting captured.

1) Male fighters [ even the ones playing secondary roles ] always push themselves and try to find a way out on their own. And this is what appeals to us, viewers. We want to be as smart, resourceful and skilled as them.

2) MK's females on the contrary either wait for a "prince" to get help from or get their pride broken down. In addition they often have a sharp tonque before a fight and then they lose it [Kitana especially]. Does it make us, viewers, want to be like them? Not really. Looking at Kitana and Sonya (the most developed characters in the story btw) I usually get embarrassed about our female pride: they both mostly behave stupidly. It's not okay for a female warrior.

3) A good example would be Avengers' Black Widow. No, she didn't save the day alone, she wasn't the strongest one, but she did sth very important to the story what her overpowered mates couldn't do without her. She wasn't hysterical or stubborn at all. She was smart and skilled enough to save at least herself and do her job well. That's why she is a Strong Female Character.

This is what I want from MK. You know what I mean?

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01/04/2015 10:17 AM EST
Definitely disagree with the second assertion especially in relationship to the first.

I don't think the ladies of MK are portrayed as any less driven or capable than the men. They tend to succeed and fail with equal measure. With all kombatants talking shit and being able to back it up. In fact I'd say the men had more of the problem. Jax needed to be rescued by Sonya and eventually got his arms ripped off, Johnny needed to be saved from Motaro, Kung Lao got cocky and got his neck snapped for it. I mean Kitana needed to be rescued but even then it was another woman that did it.
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01/04/2015 11:46 AM EST
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2) MK's females on the contrary either wait for a "prince" to get help from or get their pride broken down. In addition they often have a sharp tonque before a fight and then they lose it [Kitana especially]. Does it make us, viewers, want to be like them? Not really. Looking at Kitana and Sonya (the most developed characters in the story btw) I usually get embarrassed about our female pride: they both mostly behave stupidly. It's not okay for a female warrior.

3) A good example would be Avengers' Black Widow. No, she didn't save the day alone, she wasn't the strongest one, but she did sth very important to the story what her overpowered mates couldn't do without her. She wasn't hysterical or stubborn at all. She was smart and skilled enough to save at least herself and do her job well. That's why she is a Strong Female Character.

This is what I want from MK. You know what I mean?


No way. No female in MK is waiting for a prince charming. I don't see anybody there waiting for any princes or princesses of any kind. They are basically all krazy psychopaths, killing each other over realms.

Kitana losing one fight to Liu Kang in the MK9 Storymode was a non-factor to me. Who kares?
It doesn't take anything away from Kitana. At the end of the day, Kitana is still a badasss fighter, let's not get it twisted.

How do the females in MK act more stupid than the males? I say they are all equally delusional LOL... losing their dammn minds over realms and fighting to the death like insane lunatics.
(I love that Mortal Kombat is a big epic mess like this, by the way LOL)

And why should a female be so dammn intelligent and strong and everything at the same time? Why should anyone expect females to be perfect?
I don't think women need to be perfect. They are human, just like men.
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I don't think the ladies of MK are portrayed as any less driven or capable than the men. They tend to succeed and fail with equal measure. With all kombatants talking shit and being able to back it up. In fact I'd say the men had more of the problem. Jax needed to be rescued by Sonya and eventually got his arms ripped off, Johnny needed to be saved from Motaro, Kung Lao got cocky and got his neck snapped for it. I mean Kitana needed to be rescued but even then it was another woman that did it.


I agree with this post of yours, oracle.

Mortal Kombat is a badasss game because the males and females are all equally badasss.

I hope Ed Boon can kontinue the epik badasssness for years to come. LOL
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01/04/2015 11:56 AM EST
Here's the proof that MK fighters are all strong and equal.... Ed Boon almost literally has palette-swap female/male versions of every kharakter.....

Examples :

Goro = Sheeva
Sub-Zero = Frost
Scorpion = Tanya
Kano = Kira
Jax = Sonya
Kassonya Cage = Johnny Cage
Baraka = Mileena
Khameleon = Chameleon
etc

I mean.... things could not be more equal and obvious! LMAO!!
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01/04/2015 12:23 PM EST
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Here's the proof that MK fighters are all strong and equal.... Ed Boon almost literally has palette-swap female/male versions of every kharakter.....

Examples :

Goro = Sheeva
Sub-Zero = Frost
Scorpion = Tanya
Kano = Kira
Jax = Sonya
Kassonya Cage = Johnny Cage
Baraka = Mileena
Khameleon = Chameleon
etc

I mean.... things could not be more equal and obvious! LMAO!!


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