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KungLaodoesntsuck
12/05/2014 05:03 PM (UTC)
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I honestly wouldn't care if Razor was a racist, sexist, or just an asshole. The dude knows his shit. His views on MK and knowledge of the lore are really critical for the show.

I think what mode Razor would like is Team Battle from Tekken. You can pick up to 8 players for a team, then you fight another team with the same amount of people. And you fight until all members of a team are eliminated. And you start each fight with how much health you had from the last fight. And you just go down the line until someone loses a team. So you can't switch characters on the fly, but you can definitely pick a team with a theme.
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12/05/2014 05:03 PM (UTC)
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I'm surprised to see that Razor was banned, didn't actually know why it happened until I went back to that Ferra/Torr thread and well... I'm aware that he is a respected guy whose MK lore knowledge is admirable, but those comments are unacceptable and completely pointless. As for his replacement in the podcast, I don't think it's necessary ( my opinion doesn't really matter here I guess grin ), but someone has to tell him to stop with those asshole comments...
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12/05/2014 05:46 PM (UTC)
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I didn't know that RazorEdge was banned just for spewing insulting comments toward that Israeli guy until I read the first reply mentioning "his mom" and "herpes." After that I was just saying, "Congrats RazorsEdge. You are now officially the God of Blunder."

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12/05/2014 05:58 PM (UTC)
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krajax Wrote:
I didn't know that RazorEdge was banned just for spewing insulting comments toward that Israeli guy until I read the first reply mentioning "his mom" and "herpes." After that I was just saying, "Congrats RazorsEdge. You are now officially the God of Blunder you fucking idiot."


Easy there, Cowboy.
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12/05/2014 06:06 PM (UTC)
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Everyone is entitled to their take, but yes, let's not spawn more issues/arguments from this. I only asked because I wanted to get everyone else's take on the situation.

And if anyone wants to help contribute to the podcast, beyond potentially guesting, and of course listening each week. The best way to contribute and help out, is to share it with others. The ol' "you tell two friends, then they tell two friends" phrase can be applied. So sharing it on other MK forums, MK Facebook fan pages, or whoever meets the intended audience.
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12/05/2014 06:27 PM (UTC)
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redman Wrote:
krajax Wrote:
I didn't know that RazorEdge was banned just for spewing insulting comments toward that Israeli guy until I read the first reply mentioning "his mom" and "herpes." After that I was just saying, "Congrats RazorsEdge. You are now officially the God of Blunder you fucking idiot."


Easy there, Cowboy.


Sorry about that. The quote was meant to be sarcastic, but I was just baffled and disgusted at the same time. It’s just not like Razor to do that so here how I saw the thread progressed. First, RazorsEdge called Ferra a pygmy (just a joke, not offensive), and then the Israeli guy called RazorsEdge Captain Obvious (not intended to be an insult) on the Ferra observation, notes Motaro not be included in MKX for mechanical reasons (an already known fact in the MKO forum). Razors could have just ended his first two lines in the next post, but then he suddenly spews out, “ Except maybe if you could give your mother a message for me? Tell her I want a refund. She promised she didn't have Herpes. I don't appreciate the false advertising.” I just had one question after reading that, WHY? I can’t know what was going on in Razor’s head three days ago, but that insult was inexcusable even in an MK forum. If someone constantly disagrees with me or ignores my points in a debate argument, I don’t feed the troll, I simply don’t reply and ignore the thread. We can do better than degrade to name-calling and ad hominem attacks.
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12/05/2014 08:50 PM (UTC)
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krajax Wrote:
redman Wrote:
krajax Wrote:
I didn't know that RazorEdge was banned just for spewing insulting comments toward that Israeli guy until I read the first reply mentioning "his mom" and "herpes." After that I was just saying, "Congrats RazorsEdge. You are now officially the God of Blunder you fucking idiot."


Easy there, Cowboy.




I agree with you. It's in the past now though, we can only move forward. smile
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red5iver
12/05/2014 08:55 PM (UTC)
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I suppose we've all been there with taking arguments too far. I like Razor's contribution to this site and the podcast. He knows his stuff, and it compliments the team very well. Should he be banned? Probably. Stuff just went too far. I'd hate to see him off of the podcast though. Hopefully this can get sorted out for the best. Loving the podcast so far!
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12/05/2014 09:19 PM (UTC)
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Im on the boat that Razor should stay. He knows MK good. please dont replace him.

I enjoyd the neatherkast a lot guys! Thank you guys for making time and giving us good MK analysis.

I defenitly agree about the stages, so far they lack that MK feel. im glad im not the only one. i hope to see more guys smile
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12/05/2014 11:15 PM (UTC)
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Well, regarding the episode 7...

As for the game modes, I would absolutely love the option of being able to create a custom arcade ladder. So, that's probably a new mode I'd like to be introduced the most. As for the returning game modes, I really liked the tournament mode in MK4. I used to set all the AI to control all the characters and then just watch and cheer for my faves lol.

As for the tag team mode from MK2011. I won't really miss it, I played it a bit early on, but then totally lost interest in it. Plus, the fact that it wasn't featured on the tourney scene made me even less interested in it.

As for Ermac, well, I love the character so I really enjoyed listening to all the praise they got in the episode. To me, their MKD primary costume still is the greatest design in any MK game ever. MKD did wonders for the character. As for MK2011, the design was great again as well as the gameplay, at least in terms of how much fun they are to use despite not being among the best characters in the game competitive-wise. LOL, I remember rolling my eyes at all the Ermacs in the tournaments very early on, just after the game was released (big damage, easy to use). Very soon Ermac faded away from the scene. After quite some time with no Ermac in tournies, I remember being very happy when DetroitBalln competed at one of the MLG events with Ermac and did some crazy uppercut combos. smile

No thoughts on MK Legacy Ermac? I just re-watched the episode with them and Kenshi and man, what a terrible, terrible design. :-\ Can't believe someone would go for that over any of their 4 MKD/MK2011 looks...

Holy shit it's hard to keep doing the 'they/them' stuff! I had no idea! LOL! blackcyborg, this is an official 'congrats!' Temp, Shad and Razor -> lol!

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12/06/2014 12:45 AM (UTC)
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You know, I thought the same thing when I saw Ermac's MKL2 design. It made my eyes bleed.
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12/06/2014 05:23 AM (UTC)
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Well, since Razor is banned, he asked me to post this statement from him to explain himself. Well, here it goes:

Why I deliberately got myself banned on Mortal Kombat Online

Let me start by saying that I'm posting this on Twitter because...well, frankly, I'm not currently planning to come back to the board when my temporary ban is over (though I definitely intend to stay on the podcast). At first, I didn't want to talk publicly about what happened and make the internet drama any worse, but given the comments about the offensive things I said, and especially the concerns about me continuing to be on the NetherKast, I think everyone deserves an honest explanation for what happened and why...at least, from my side of the story.

I also don't want what I have to say to reflect on the podcast or my fellow hosts in any way. Honesty is important to me, so I'm going to be candid about my feelings and I apologize in advance to anyone who gets into trouble for being associated with me or sharing this on my behalf. I also apologize that this issue has derailed the podcast's thread as much as it has. I assured BC I'd leave them out of all this controversy and be as diplomatic as possible, so...and this point is important:

*******

I'd like to politely ask everyone, after this has been shared, to NOT discuss this issue in the the podcast thread any further, thank you.

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In the meantime, remember: NetherKast Episode 7 is up on our Youtube channel, friends! Please be sure to check it out and comment (and to subscribe to our channel, not just the MKO one, since ours will keep you more up to date on future episodes when they release).

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So firstly, regarding the racist/xenophobic things I said in the thread where I was banned: let me make it perfectly clear that I DO NOT believe any of those sorts of things and I apologize to anyone whose opinion of me was lowered because I used those words. You have to understand that I only said them because my intention in the thread was to deliberately say the most offensive and insulting things I could think of at the time. I took it too far ON PURPOSE.

Why would I do something like that?

To show how bad moderation has gotten on MKO. To bring attention to the issue in as big a way as I could, a way that people could no longer ignore.

I sincerely believe this forum is dying. Averaging less than 20 posters online at any given time, during the pre-release hype period for a new game? Frankly, that's a very bad sign. It's pathetic compared to how busy the site was when MK9 was coming out.

I have watched major fansites and forums die before in other fandoms, places I thought were untouchable because at one point in time, they were THE place to be in that community. But they always fall sooner or later. A bigger, fancier looking, better run site will eventually steal your spot atop the mountain and everybody will migrate there because they want to be where the people are. So I know what it looks like. In our case, it's likely to be a very slow death, the site will surely linger and limp on for many years, despite the board gradually becoming a ghost town. Want to see what our future looks like? Pay a visit to TotalMK. (I'm not saying his site was ever the biggest or best, I'm just saying that's what a site looks like when it dies but its dessicated corpse lingers on like a zombie because it refused to grow or change or get deleted.)

There's more than one reason WHY MKO is dying, most of them are things Mick unfortunately can't do anything about because he's not a coder, he's a custodian. His title says "Webmaster" but all he actually does is admin the forum and post front page news. Metaphorically speaking, he's Denethor, the Steward of Gondor, sitting on the tiny chair NEXT to the throne pretending to be a king while the big chair is empty and the country falls to the Orcs. It's not his fault MKO hasn't changed its layout since Deception came out and the board is permanently stuck with outdated HTML in 800x600 resolution. So I don't blame him for that, seems he's as helpless as we are there...but it is just one more thing that's chasing potential posters away, and that's a tragedy.

We could also talk about the fact that in the WB era, sites like ours no longer have exclusive content, the real news only goes to places like IGN, GameInformer, and Youtube, so there's nothing that makes MKO special or gives us a unique voice compared to other fansites. Or we could talk about people losing interest in the franchise because of the reboot/retcons hurting their interest in the story and characters, or because MKX doesn't have the Trilogy roster and those are the only characters the mainstream cares about, or it could be because MKX news has trickled out so slowly that we're all bored and have nothing to talk about...but if these were bigger issues, they'd be affecting EVERY MK site. It seems to me like TYM and TRMK are still quite thriving and MKO alone is the one whose userbase has been slowly but steadily hemorrhaging away over the past couple years.

So here's the reason that concerns me the most, because it's one Mick CAN do something about: the fact that the board has turned nasty. Verbal abuse has become commonplace and I think it's a safe assumption that it's scaring people away, they don't want to post in a hostile environment.

I have TRIED to campaign for the past FOUR years, since before it really became a problem, since before Mick was even the admin, when Crow was in charge and we still had a reasonably sized moderation staff, that flame wars and trolls were not being dealt with anywhere NEAR quickly and efficiently enough. Since that time, all the staff has LEFT the site and no one's been picked to replace them. I saw Predator post a week or two ago, he even did his job and gave Red Sumac some skull points, admirably enough...but that was an extremely rare sight. When's the last time you saw Ninja Mime or Tony the Tiger around, folks? They're all gone. We effectively have NO moderators. It's just Mick. It should be no wonder then that things have turned into the wild west.

When I say "I've tried to campaign", what do I mean exactly?

Well, this is far from the first time I've stated publicly that I think the rules are too lax and people clearly take advantage of the leeway to get away with being abusive to others freely. This is far from the first time I've stated publiclty that Mick being the ONLY moderator on the ENTIRE site is a big problem. I've just never made a big show of taking a stand before like I am now. I've also privately messaged Mick a couple times to bring to his attention times when another user was insulting and flaming people in clear violation of the few, vague rules we do have. In those PMs, I've voiced my concerns a bit that he allows people to get away with far too much.

You guys might remember me more than once telling the story before about how, under Crow, it took like 6 months of me going "Look what this guy is saying to people, why aren't you doing anything about it?" to get an active troll named "ColdWindBlows" banned back in 2010 or so. And I was a moderator-in-training back then. If a member of the staff isn't being listened to, what chance does anyone else have?

You might recall how long it took Mick to ban HankyPanky last year, despite almost EVERYONE on this board complaining about him constantly.

You might have noticed my public frustration with the fact that Red Sumac STILL constantly gets away unpunished with openly insulting people left and right. I'm banned after ONE thread, but in THREE years of trolling nothing has ever happened to him? Is he somebody's cousin? Is money secretly changing hands behind the scenes? Is he having sex with a staff member? What the fuck is protecting this guy?!

When Mick responds to my concerns, he's always put on a professional tone but been a bit dismissive and patronizing. He's never actually taken action on any concern I've had in a visible way so I always get the impression that he's just brushing me off and ignoring my efforts to help or be a voice for positive change.

So the flaming and trolling has only gotten worse because either no one notices it, there's no one there to do anything about it, or the one person who IS there and has that power doesn't think what was said is severe enough to punish. And that's how escalation happens.

In my opinion, MKO has gradually become a toxic environment where intelligent debate cannot thrive, where it's no longer safe or fun to post, because any person, at any time, can call you names and get away with it and it ruins entire threads. I don't want to be a member of a place where it's not against the rules to say "shut up" or call someone an "idiot" and let's be honest, people there say a LOT worse than that to each other and no one seems to care.

People are starting to not have boundaries there anymore because they've realized they have nothing to fear, there will be no punishment if they treat someone else poorly, so they don't fear verbally abusing each other, they run their mouths however they like and the result is a BAD forum, where people DON'T want to be.

It's become a forum where *I* no longer want to be.

And I've been there TEN YEARS. I'm fairly certain I'm THE most constant/frequent poster there. If not, I'm definitely in the top three. This place has been like a home to me, that's a LOT of loyalty, passion, perhaps even addiction, that I have to fight against when I think about leaving this place. And, y'know, I've always tried to take care of this digital home of mine, to have an influence on the level of discourse, to encourage intelligent conversation and provide helpful and educational services for other posters. I enjoy deep analysis and exercises in logic and reason, that's what I come there for and what I want to see most. I like to talk essay-length about shit that seems meaningless to others, like Reiko's backstory, Tanya's personality/motivation, "Why does Liu Kang wear a headband?", stuff that most people will respond to with "those reasons don't exist, you're overthinking it, it's just a video game and the characters are shallow"...I'm one of the reasons MKO is a place where you could have those kind of conversations. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to puff up my ego there, I'm definitely not the first person to encourage those sorts of threads, and hopefully when I'm gone I won't be the last...but I don't think those kinds of threads survive for as long as they used to anymore because of the way people talk to each other there now.

All of these elements have added up to me feeling that taking some kind of drastic and extreme measure was necessary. I've been sitting on that feeling for quite a while, not sure how to proceed.

...So finally, on Tuesday afternoon, I decided to test a theory.

Yet another person with no social boundaries essentially attacked me unprovoked. Who that person is wasn't really important, it could have been almost anybody and my response probably would have been the same because I'd been kind of subconsciously waiting for a moment like this. I don't much care about this Sharefrock guy, I haven't had the time to, he's a newbie. I wasn't really mad about what he said, I was just annoyed that it seems like everybody has this aggressive "I'm attacking you at the drop of a hat just because I think you looked at me funny" attitude now and can talk that way to each other and get away with it. So in the moment, I decided to use him as a test subject in an experiment.

I decided to post the worst, most insulting shit I could think of, just to see what would happen. I was curious to see HOW far a person needed to go before Mick would get off his ass and do something.

Was that childish, immature, and inappropriate of me? Oh yes, extraordinarily so.

Do I still think it was necessary? Honestly, I kinda do.

And I gotta tell ya, I do NOT like the results.

The only thing I regret about what I did (other than the fact that it hurt the podcast, which I never intended), is that I don't think anyone caught on to the lesson I was trying to teach...so perhaps I went about it in the wrong way. But I think the outburst still needed to exist as an example of how bad things can get if they don't change, and as an attention-grabber, a shock to the system to wake everybody up and get them to take a look around and see what's happening to their community. It's just that we have to TALK about the example in order to learn anything from it, and being banned kinda prevents me from doing that, at least until almost three weeks from now, and by then it might be too late to make the point, people will have stopped caring and moved on.

So let's take a detailed look at what the results of my experiment were:

1) It took Mick HOURS to notice what I'd done and ban me for it. If we had a full moderation team who were active and cared, how long do you think those posts would've lasted? I SHOULD have been getting modded within minutes of each post, the argument should have been interrupted before it lasted a whole page.

2) I was banned immediately, without warning. In the past when I've pointed out someone ELSE was breaking the rules and should be banned for it, even in extreme ways like I did (I'm vaguely recalling an incident a few years ago with a newbie using homophobic slurs right around the same time when we were so proud of a thread about how many gay/trans members we had on the board, and had Hector Sanchez tweeting about it), I was told that it's MKO policy to never ban someone on the first strike, there are ALWAYS supposed to be warnings and some form of account probation first. (I don't know how this probation works, but if you ever see someone's avatar disappeared and was replaced with the generic Raiden-in-a-circle one but they can still post, I THINK that's what happened to them.)

Normally, I'd be happy to see this "giving too many warnings and second chances" practice dropped in the name of getting rid of problem-posters faster...but that brings me to my third point...

3) I was the ONLY person in the thread who was punished in ANY fashion. (except Optimus Grime, which is extra weird because the post he got skulled for didn't even say anything that breaks the rules.)

Sharefrock was not given skullpoints for insulting me in the first place and starting the argument, he was not given skullpoints for repeatedly calling me "dumb" or a "necrophiliac", or insulting my sister the same way I insulted his mother. Icebaby was not given skull points for calling us both "idiots" and telling us to "shut the hell up".

Justice is equality. Everyone who does wrong should be punished for it accordingly, not just the one guy who did the worst.

It seems to me that justice was not distributed equally here. I was singled out, while other people who break the rules continue to be encouraged to say anything they like without fear of punishment, which continues to foster MKO turning into a toxic environment where intelligent conversation dies on the vine and flame wars that derail threads thrive.

Why was I given special treatment in this example, why was I the only one skulled or banned? I'm rather getting the impression at this point that Mick just plain doesn't like me and never has. That I was punished because I'm the guy who speaks out, that this banning was meant to send a message to ME that I should "learn my place" or something like that, rather than to send a message to everyone that you're not allowed to flame each other, which is what it SHOULD have been.

It's clear to me now that I cannot BE the voice of change, because change is impossible here. I'll always be just another user, and apparently not a popular one with the staff, so I have no power to fix what's wrong there. My cries of injustice are, in fact, seen as an unwelcome burden, my voice is percieved as the buzzing of a fly by those I'm trying to reach, I'm just annoying background radiation. Perhaps it's not my place to try. It's not my website, my ten years of patronage and contributions don't actually MEAN anything, I hold no stock in it, why should I work so hard to fix it when it's broken?

All I know is that I no longer enjoy being there and I felt it was important to show everyone else the reason why I don't enjoy it there in a dramatic fashion. Because I think it's only a matter of time before you too, dear reader, feel like this place isn't fun anymore, like all people do anymore is argue and insult each other freely, and you don't want to be in a place like that anymore either.

In closing, I want to once again apologize to anyone who thought I meant the things I said to Sharefrock in the Ferra/Torr thread. I'm sorry for offending you and wish to assure you that none of those things I said are genuine beliefs I hold, I said them BECAUSE they are offensive, I said them to create a controversy on purpose, to prove a point. Hopefully, the point I tried to make has now been made clearer for everyone.

Like I said, I don't currently intend to come back when the ban is up unless MKO goes through some major changes and the problems I see are fixed in a satisfactory way. (Though just to be clear, I have no intention of leaving the podcast and am grateful to my cohosts that they have no intention of kicking me out, since the NetherKast is not officially part of MKO, we exist for the entire Mortal Kombat fandom.) So until then, this public statement was a one-time thing and I'm going to stick to that. I know, I know, "never say never" and all that...but honestly, if you want to talk to me, I can still be reached elsewhere. I have a DeviantArt, sometimes I respond to the podcast's Youtube comments, you now know that I have a twitter account, etc.

Lastly, I want to say a huge THANK YOU to all my friends, fans, and followers, to the people out there who have on occasion posted extremely flattering things like "I only come here for Razor's posts", to anyone who was appreciative when I'd share my knowledge of MK continuity and lore...anyone out there who has benefitted from or was pleased by my hard work and efforts to educate others and encourage the spread of accurate information and intelligent debate. I've always done what I do for the benefit of you guys and any little popularity and support I've recieved has always meant a lot to me. I'd like to continue doing what I do, just...in a more friendly environment.

But hey, what I think isn't really important in the grand scheme, I'm just another spoke on the wheel. It'll keep rolling without me. MKO will continue to exist in spite of itself, and if nobody agrees with what I've said and done, if you're still all enjoying your forumgoing experience and think Mick's doing a fine job, that's cool, no hard feelings. I just wanted you guys to understand why I said those things, so I hope now you do, and don't think less of me for it.

Thank you for listening.
- Razor

I want to add something from myself. I have known Razor for couple of years on this board and when I read his comments in that thread I INSTANTY knew that there is something fishy here and he is doing it on purpose. That guy is probably the walking encyclopedia of MK storyline and I enjoy his intelligent posts and truly believe MKO is losing another valuable poster.

So having said that, Razor asked me to tell you guys to not discuss the matter any further because he regrets that the matter derailed the thread and would prefer people get back to talking about the show.
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12/06/2014 09:00 AM (UTC)
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If users want to improve their community surroundings, they have to be willing to contribute selflessly, respectfully, and with the full weight of responsibility.

The circumstances of this ban are completely without ambiguity. Retroactive justification is a juvenile excuse. There's never a reason for anyone to post as maliciously and persistently as in this case. It's inexcusable and warrants instant banning. It came from a place of intolerance - in action and in expressed reasoning. All this demonstrates is a lack of self-control, respect, maturity, and perspective. Characteristics that disqualify a user from privilege. Long term users are expected to know better and be accountable. It is farcical for a user to claim to know better, and to do the very thing he is complaining about (or worse).

Most users are of an age to know right from wrong by requirement of sign-up. It is their responsibility - as in life - to behave accordingly. The notion that "it's only the internet" is not an acceptable social concept. Everyone involved is a human being. Your statements here are written documents submitted within a public domain. If you wouldn't do it in a public building with friends and strangers - you shouldn't do it on the forums. Sadly, this can not always be taken for granted as understood by all demographics. Tantrums based on self-important grudges - also not acceptable.

As in public arenas - social interactions may include disagreements, tensions, and some degree of heated exchange. Current moderation policy allows for this natural conversational occurance, but the severity of each case is measured and assessed in isolation, and with long term consideration. Persistent problem users, particularly those who receive warnings and/or demonstrate understanding of their infringement, face a scale of penalties. This may include a period of assessment and indefinite expulsion. Every user must be responsible for themselves and their own conduct. Participating in and/or escalating disagreements is the responsibility of those involved. Exacerbating tensions may result in reprimands. Nobody may blame moderators for their own actions.

Upon recent review, more attention has been given to the issue of bringing the community into disrepute. Every user is advised to remove themselves from situations of dismay, report problem users, and allow due process to be taken independently.

Users must respect the process and can have no expectations of being privileged to cases that do not involve them. Every report received is assessed, and acted upon, where necessary. Reporting concerns is the proper way of handling a problem. Users must respect that the best solution may be to adjust their own involvement. Response time is not a valid excuse for involving yourself further. Again - nobody may blame moderators for their own actions. Derailing a thread topic for personal grudges is a quick measure for reprimand.

There is no such thing as a free strike. If your offense is severe enough, you will be banned immediately without warning.

Flagged offensive language (an internal system) is a limited list. Descriptive Words such as "idiot" or "necrophiliac", while far from encouraged, are not cases of immediate cause for moderation [pending assessment of usage].

Clarification: Users posting with removed avatars and signatures are "shadow banned" - meaning their avatar and signature has been removed. As clearly stated in the community FAQ, typical reasons for this are for offensive [signature] content or exceeding forum limits. It is not a grace period or 'free strike' policy. [It may also simply mean the user has not set an avatar or signature at that time.]

Current moderation policy is designed to allow for social opportunity and moderator discretion, but you can certainly gain an understanding of expected guidelines through a general moral compass, and the community guidelines available. Do not expect moderators to stop to re-explain this available information, or dissuade your presumptions.

Unfortunately, there have been infractions over the past year that have required action at various times. Being ignorant to this is not a valid reason to assume it is not the case. Being of the opinion that freedoms are too lax is not a valid exception to the rule. A sense of self-importance is not license to expect extra personal entitlements. While garden variety users may have their own thresholds for indiscretion and accountability, no amount of contribution will allow for exemptions.

As to the pressures that undermine this process. Unfortunately, one of the biggest problems facing the MKO community of late is the complete preoccupation with negativity, and a lack of initiative. Many personalized complaints are quickly remedied by the simple act of the individual becoming involved in a positive manner. It is difficult to expect moderation to reasonably provide any solution where these matters are concerned.

The NetherKast should have simply been a good community contribution. It is disappointing that it has been compromised in such a needless manner, under a flimsy guise of virtue. Selfish. shabby, disrespectful to the site and community. It is farcical to withhold the project from fully investing in MKO for the sake avoiding reprimands, while also espousing a better understanding of said virtues.

I'm not going to comment on other specifics. Many details are not for public consumption. A lot of this is pointless, baseless, or factually incorrect supposition. We need to shake off this preoccupation with depressed negativity, and stop inventing grim fantasy narratives to fill in for the adult world of administration and responsibility. Perhaps the sooner that happens, the sooner we actually can promote responsible individuals from within the community.

If you're a user reading this and generally sitting on your hands instead of sharing your interests, think about hitting reply or starting a new post. Do it respectfully, without the expectation of excluding other users, or marshalling authority over the topic. You might find you feel better about a lot of things. Through the highs and lows, MKO typically has the highest traffic of any dedicated MK site. If you the reader start having a positive input, you might just find you can enjoy that.

It's your community. Don't mess it up!
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12/06/2014 10:25 AM (UTC)
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Well, that escalated pretty quickly.
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12/06/2014 10:34 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge may know a lot about MK lore, but the guy never seemed like he'd progressed beyond the age of 14. And his little racist stunt (and the sob-story "reason" behind it) proves it. Nothing of value was lost.
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12/06/2014 10:51 AM (UTC)
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EDIT: this has gone on for long enough. back on topic.
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12/06/2014 11:21 AM (UTC)
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Glad RazorsEdge is gone, he always acted like he was better than everyone. So long loser.
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12/06/2014 01:13 PM (UTC)
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Jesus, now I actively want Razor gone from the podcast. That is pathetic and deeply irritating. I was expecting an actual explanation, not someone painting themselves as the martyr for our sins, the victim in all of this complete with the overdramatic 'woe-is-me'/'the-end-is-nigh' attitude, dripping with a superiority complex. I guess that makes Mick Pontius Pilate and RedSumac Barabbas?

Interesting how MKO is dying despite being busier than TRMK, as always. TYM can't be compared considering thats the internet hub for the competitive NRS crowd, and MKO's MKX forum is far busier than theirs. And hankypanky still posts there, doing his Khrome shit so presumably their mods suck too and their forum is also dying a death. All MK forums must be dying then.

But of course, all this is only because Mick doesn't like him. He's singled out, the noble victim trying to draw our attention to the cruel anarchy all around us, fighting a doomed cause. I don't think its an exaggeration to say that Razor deserves a Nobel Peace Prize. He certainly thinks he does. It couldn't just be that Mick has a certain policy on moderation, sticks to it and does his bloody job, no he's just Denethor waiting for Aragorn to save his kingdom. I suppose this makes Razor Faramir, and Mick will only realize how important Razor was just as the kingdom falls and he believes Razor dead.

It's distinctly possible Razor, if you're reading this, that the reason everyone is so mean to you is because you come off like the most arrogant guy in the world. Like the guy who's fluent in Klingon and insists he be respected for it when he could have learned an actual foreign language, a lot of the times you sound incredibly patronizing and dismissive, ironically the very things you accuse Mick of being toward you.

When I first joined MKO, back in June it was after lurking here since MKA. I joined because of the hype for MKX and within the first few days got into a very heated and immature argument with Icebaby, a poster whose posts I had read for years and respected immensely. Both of us used language we regretted and after tempers had cooled, Icebaby actually made a thread in the general forum to apologize for being crabby to everyone and I sent her, in both PM and in the thread, a proper heartfelt apology because I used horrible language against someone I respected. That thread eventually grew into basically a giant hug, where everyone was being insanely nice and reconnecting with why we are here, because we love MK. Now, I watch Icebaby's streams on occasion, loved her on the NK, I've added her on PSN (I'm PorchMnkey4Life if you're reading this Icebaby) because she absolutely soared in my estimation after that. I knew she was a good poster beforehand but I really gained so much respect for her after that, which contrasts wildly with this case.

If MKO really was a 'wild wild west', would that have happened? Would there have been a really nice and rather sweet thread in the general where everyone chilled out, realized that squabbling over whether or not we liked Ferra/Torr was fairly irrelevant after seeing 30 seconds of footage and remembered that MKX was going to be fucking awesome? No. And you'd never see anything like that on another MK forum. TYM currently has this weird brotherhood v sisterhood thing going on, which people are taking way too seriously for too long for it to be ironic, and once MKX comes out it'll be rife with people calling each other out (PerfectLegend seriously needs to get destroyed by REO, multiple times preferably), TRMK has a user named TarkatanThrash who gives metalheads a bad name and fucking JadedRaven still posts there. JadedRaven, who's like a slowburn hankypanky . So basically, MKO may be a little more risque occasionally but its absolutely no more vicious or lacking in intelligent discussion than other VIDEO GAME forums. Bearing in mind that we are discussing a video game here Razor, not Tolstoy. Immaturity is kind of par for the course in these waters. And if I'm offered the choice between immaturity and Razor-level pretentiousness, I know what I'll go for.

Getting back to the podcast...

As Mick said, this has hurt the podcast for no reason. It's going to dramatically cut down on the amount of people who are aware of it and its going to massively impact on its visibility, all so Razor could have his immature little swan song. He's jeopardized the hard work of blackcyborg, Temp and Shad by essentially dooming the Netherkast to a tiny audience. MKO is the busiest MK fansite and the NKs posted on the MKO Youtube channel got a lot more hits than the NKs own Youtube channel. Honestly, if the choice is between keeping Razor or keeping the Netherkast on MKO, then the decision really should be the latter. Razor knows a lot of the lore, but have the MK wiki open in front of you and you'll be fine, no one really minds if Sonya's hairband was white instead of black in DOTR. His absence wouldn't be a fatal blow to the NK, I suspect the NKs absence from MKO will.

And if we're being frank, the reason he didn't think about the consequences his tantrum would have is because he doesn't really care. If he cared about the podcast, it'd be at the forefront of his mind, he was even reminded about the NK in the middle of his tantrum but kept on going. If he had cared, he would have realized what he was going to do would have consequences and those consequences would not be positive. I know he's going to be kept on and I'll still listen but I'd caution the guys to seriously consider this decision with respect to where they want the NK to go and if they want it to survive as a thing with good numbers for a niche podcast, instead of getting double figures in some dusty corner of Youtube.

Anyway back on actual topic, I'd love a retrospective on Rain. There might not be a lot to talk about, but I think he's a really interesting character
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12/06/2014 01:24 PM (UTC)
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EDIT: this has gone on for long enough. back on topic.
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12/06/2014 02:30 PM (UTC)
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I'll be the old man and say I hate the new Classic Mode in Smash. The last Smash I owned was Melee, and I loved their Classic Mode format. Couple fights here and there, Break the Targets, Race to the Finish, Collect Trophies, fight a metal character, then Master Hand. It was brilliant.

But I hate what Smash 4 does. Mostly because it's not the Classic Mode I remember. Choice is cool and all but it ruined Classic Mode for me. It shouldn't even be called Classic Mode if you ask me. But about MK...

For MK, the only way I'd see that working is through Choose Your Destiny. Which I've been wanting back for some time now.
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12/09/2014 05:30 AM (UTC)
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Folks, we are scheduled to be recording tomorrow night. The Show Must Go On - it was either Freddy Mercury or Street Fighter's Eagle who said that. Maybe both.

Anyway: We want to hear from you (Well, they do. I just kinda want you to send me money). Who should we cover for this week's podcast in our character retrospective? What about your chosen character would you like us to discuss?

Last week's episode saw us cover Ermac. Who's NeXt?

Hit us up with your next round of requests!
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12/09/2014 06:18 AM (UTC)
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Hmmmm I'm gonna go for Nitara. A somewhat underdeveloped character, but has an interesting story in DA and great potential for MKX.
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12/09/2014 08:08 AM (UTC)
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Hsu Hao.
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12/09/2014 08:53 AM (UTC)
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Hsu Hao.
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12/10/2014 02:59 AM (UTC)
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One more day until we record, it turns out! Still time to get those votes in!
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