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01/24/2016 10:03 PM (UTC)
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Blade4693 Wrote:
Blame WB. I doubt NRS has or had anything to do with the PC version or it's fate. NRS is likely under contract by WB...So even if Boon was like "Hey WB, we really want to make sure our PC fan base has a quality game as well..." and WB responds with "Fuck you, we don't care. Its not profitable at this point so we are abandoning it" There really isn't anything NRS or Boon can do about it.


Boon is not blameless. He most likely had never seen the PC version no less played it. Went into the asshole Joe and intentionally lied his ass off to sell copies of a version he couldn't vouch for. People have a right to blame Boon.
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01/24/2016 10:21 PM (UTC)
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What is he supposed to say ? " Yea I don't know how the PC version is ... probably shouldn't buy it until you read the reviews ... ". I'm sure WB would have been thrilled with that.
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01/24/2016 10:46 PM (UTC)
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jpetrunak Wrote:
What is he supposed to say ? " Yea I don't know how the PC version is ... probably shouldn't buy it until you read the reviews ... ". I'm sure WB would have been thrilled with that.


Just say he hasn't seen and tells them to talk whoever is making the Pc version. Don't stand sit and intentionally lie to people.
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01/24/2016 10:49 PM (UTC)
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I would rather have a legit answer come from someone in Netherrealm rather than assume what happened and get mad at a bunch of people I'm probably wrong at getting mad at.
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01/24/2016 11:13 PM (UTC)
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At the end of the day the buck stops at Boon. He is the head of NRS and MK is his creation. The uproar over KP2 and now this damages the MK brand. If he can not or will not stand up for the people who have been supporting him for the last 20 + years then its time for him to go.
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01/25/2016 12:00 AM (UTC)
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Fuck WB and Ed boon is just their corporate slave at this point.. I'm voting with my wallet and never buying another WB Game again i love mortal kombat but this is unexceptable from WB the PC community deserves better than this..
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DjangoDrag
01/25/2016 06:03 AM (UTC)
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The buck stops with the people calling the shots, and that's WB. WB owns MK in its entirety. Ed gets paid to make games for WB.

Ed's no more to blame for the MKX ports than he is for the Arkham Knight ports and the Shadow of Mordor ports. I get that it's way easier to blame Ed, but doing so is unproductive. It's not like there was no precedent for bad ports here. The only real way to combat WBs practices is to do so with your wallet.

I know Im a broken record here, but as soon as I learned the last gen version of MKX was being ported by another developer, I started saving for my Xbox Juan. Even then WB had a shitty track record with ports so I knew that I wasnt playing the odds by waiting for the last gen version. Im not trying to say "I told ya so" here, Im just saying where there's smoke there's fire.
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01/25/2016 12:20 PM (UTC)
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DjangoDrag Wrote:
The buck stops with the people calling the shots, and that's WB. WB owns MK in its entirety. Ed gets paid to make games for WB.

Ed's no more to blame for the MKX ports than he is for the Arkham Knight ports and the Shadow of Mordor ports. I get that it's way easier to blame Ed, but doing so is unproductive. It's not like there was no precedent for bad ports here. The only real way to combat WBs practices is to do so with your wallet.

I know Im a broken record here, but as soon as I learned the last gen version of MKX was being ported by another developer, I started saving for my Xbox Juan. Even then WB had a shitty track record with ports so I knew that I wasnt playing the odds by waiting for the last gen version. Im not trying to say "I told ya so" here, Im just saying where there's smoke there's fire.


Treating Boon like he's completely blameless is just as bad. He runs NRS and created MK so I'm sure he has some input. He puts himself out there as the face of MK. He went and knowingly and willingly talked up a product he had never seen or tested. As a result between 500K-1 Million customers bought a version under the impression that is was going to be just as good if not better than the console versions. They ended up being burned because the pc version was terrible and they were burned again when instead of it being fixed they just dropped support for it. Boon is just as responsible for this mess.
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01/25/2016 04:35 PM (UTC)
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Human-Smoke-4-ever Wrote:
DjangoDrag Wrote:
The buck stops with the people calling the shots, and that's WB. WB owns MK in its entirety. Ed gets paid to make games for WB.

Ed's no more to blame for the MKX ports than he is for the Arkham Knight ports and the Shadow of Mordor ports. I get that it's way easier to blame Ed, but doing so is unproductive. It's not like there was no precedent for bad ports here. The only real way to combat WBs practices is to do so with your wallet.

I know Im a broken record here, but as soon as I learned the last gen version of MKX was being ported by another developer, I started saving for my Xbox Juan. Even then WB had a shitty track record with ports so I knew that I wasnt playing the odds by waiting for the last gen version. Im not trying to say "I told ya so" here, Im just saying where there's smoke there's fire.


Treating Boon like he's completely blameless is just as bad. He runs NRS and created MK so I'm sure he has some input. He puts himself out there as the face of MK. He went and knowingly and willingly talked up a product he had never seen or tested. As a result between 500K-1 Million customers bought a version under the impression that is was going to be just as good if not better than the console versions. They ended up being burned because the pc version was terrible and they were burned again when instead of it being fixed they just dropped support for it. Boon is just as responsible for this mess.


Except that's what he's paid to do. That is his job at the end of the day. He is not in charge of seeing that the ports are made accordingly and have no issues, he is only in charge of his development team and that's that. He was more or less in the same boat as us where he had to put his faith in WB that they would handle the situation and give the product to someone who could deliver on the responsibility of making the game work. Unfortunately, Boon doesn't call the shots. He could, for all we know, have wanted the work to continue on the PC versions of the game but ultimately that decision lies with WB, not NRS.

It's no different than when actors go pimp their movies saying "Oh yes, it was such a delight working with so and so and the film is great" when in reality they hated the experience and their co-star and think the movie is stupid. They aren't getting paid to tell the truth, they are getting paid to market the film and do the publicity rounds. It's like going back to '97 and expecting to see Ed on TV before Annihilation came out saying "This is a shit film, it's so terrible. Don't go see it." Of course he ain't gonna say that, that's bad publicity. WB let down NRS just as much as they did the PC fans because now that cloud of doubt hangs over the team as much as it does WB Games. They had to have faith WB would deliver a great product and they didn't, I can only imagine Ed's disappointment.
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01/25/2016 05:28 PM (UTC)
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What do you think about theory that WB decided to delay MKXL for PC to sit out SF5 and KI on PC hype?
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01/25/2016 05:44 PM (UTC)
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What do you think about theory that WB decided to delay MKXL for PC to sit out SF5 and KI on PC hype?


No. Don't do that to yourself. It's confirmed it's not going to PC. If they were delaying it for PC, they would have said so.
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01/25/2016 07:05 PM (UTC)
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VerminatorX Wrote:
What do you think about theory that WB decided to delay MKXL for PC to sit out SF5 and KI on PC hype?


No. Don't do that to yourself. It's confirmed it's not going to PC. If they were delaying it for PC, they would have said so.


Yeah, there's no need to grasp at straws here and it will only make the situation harder. All the evidence, apparently including official statements from Tyler, says that the PC version is no longer supported since there is literally no one to work on it. The devs that were contracted to make it are done and gone, and WB is very unlikely to go through the trouble of hiring a whole new developer to patch a game that is already riddled with issues. For WB, the PC version is basically a money pit.

One miracle has already happened with MKX, and that's NRS spending eight months rebuilding the game's online infrastructure from the ground up and patching it this close to the end of the game's lifecycle, very likely for free since supporting two online systems simultaneously is a farce. All signs point to the new netcode system being the reason for the KP2 delay, so I really wouldn't get excited for something that very, very, VERY likely is just not in the cards.

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01/25/2016 08:46 PM (UTC)
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Keep in mind the PC Port was handled by the same company that was responsible for the previous gen ports. In other words, they failed miserably. This is what happens when a game designed specifically for consoles is handed off to a 3rd party developer to do the conversion (or vice versa). WB doesnt pick good vendors to handle their conversions, as evidenced with both MKX and AK. I totally get your frustration if PC is the only gaming platform you have, in which case I understand, but don't say you're done with the products if you do have another option. I'm sure they'll get their shit together eventually. I'm sure there will be another way. Not particularly fond of their business practices this generation myself, but I'm keeping some faith that it'll improve. I would've loved to have picked up MKX for PC on sale in the future...the modding potential + graphics/framerate potentially would've been amazing.


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Eventually doesn't really work for those of us dicked around by shitty ports for PC, no ports for past gen and just general lack of consideration to the loyal fans. MKX is beyond our reach for good and we have the aftertaste of bitter betrayal with their broken promises.

I was so hyped for this game ever since June 2014 and i've since had exactly six days of gameplay to show for all my longing. Why? Because the only friend i know who has it lives two counties away. At this point i'd take a shitty half-assed port over nothing. Heck, it's not like i even need online features.

As for the whole WB/NRS/Ed Boon debate, does it really matter who is to blame? What matters is the end result: bad business practices all round.
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01/26/2016 04:52 AM (UTC)
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Welp, guess I'm done with WB games... at least for a while. It's a shame, I really like these games, but I really can't justify forking over money for a next-gen console solely to play this one game. I thought the PC version was gonna be the solution to my dilemma, but I wish I could get the content that the other platforms are getting. I didn't think it would be that much of a problem since all the previous additional content was there just fine, but apparently it's just not worth it for whatever reason.

Guess I can still watch the story modes and read up on all the lore online, and maybe if they ever decide to do a PC released MK game in the future again I can wait till I'm sure I can get all the content I want before I buy it, when the market price for the game has fallen. Heck, maybe one day I'll find other games I like on a non-Nintendo console and I'll be inspired to try an NRS game again. Such a shame, as it is though sad
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01/26/2016 04:01 PM (UTC)
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Dude, when you are under contract there is literally nothing you can do. Here is an example. An artist I know is signed to a label. (Let's say Ed/NRS are the artist and WB is the label.)

Now this artist released a song not too long ago, and apparently the fans love it, so the artist was going to shoot a music video for it...and just the other day this same artist had to come on twitter and pretty much say " Sorry guys, I wanted to make a video for the song but my label said I couldn't, and since I am under contract there is absolutely nothing I can about it "

There is probably a similar situation with NRS and WB. If WB says they aren't going to fix or continue to support PC, there is likely nothing Boon or NRS can do about it.
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01/27/2016 04:41 PM (UTC)
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Blade4693 Wrote:
Dude, when you are under contract there is literally nothing you can do. Here is an example. An artist I know is signed to a label. (Let's say Ed/NRS are the artist and WB is the label.)

Now this artist released a song not too long ago, and apparently the fans love it, so the artist was going to shoot a music video for it...and just the other day this same artist had to come on twitter and pretty much say " Sorry guys, I wanted to make a video for the song but my label said I couldn't, and since I am under contract there is absolutely nothing I can about it "

There is probably a similar situation with NRS and WB. If WB says they aren't going to fix or continue to support PC, there is likely nothing Boon or NRS can do about it.


That's a pretty bad analogy. One is something you don't pay for and the other one is. While its disappointing if your favourite artist can't make a music video to a song that you like. It infuriating to pay money for a product that was released sub-par and the Development company just drops support with no word and no apology. WB/NRS deserve the backlash.
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01/27/2016 04:49 PM (UTC)
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Human-Smoke-4-ever Wrote:
Blade4693 Wrote:
Dude, when you are under contract there is literally nothing you can do. Here is an example. An artist I know is signed to a label. (Let's say Ed/NRS are the artist and WB is the label.)

Now this artist released a song not too long ago, and apparently the fans love it, so the artist was going to shoot a music video for it...and just the other day this same artist had to come on twitter and pretty much say " Sorry guys, I wanted to make a video for the song but my label said I couldn't, and since I am under contract there is absolutely nothing I can about it "

There is probably a similar situation with NRS and WB. If WB says they aren't going to fix or continue to support PC, there is likely nothing Boon or NRS can do about it.


That's a pretty bad analogy. One is something you don't pay for and the other one is. While its disappointing if your favourite artist can't make a music video to a song that you like. It infuriating to pay money for a product that was released sub-par and the Development company just drops support with no word and no apology. WB/NRS deserve the backlash.


I think you might have missed the point I was trying to make. It wasn't about money. It was a long the lines of if you are under contract under a big label/company/corporation/distributor etc. they call the shots. If WB says no more money into supporting PC MKX, then that's how it is going to be and there is nothing Boon or NRS can legally do about it so blaming them really isn't fair.

It would be like me going into gamestop to make a return, then the employee saying due to store policy I can't make that return, and then me getting mad at that person like he is the one the creates the story policy, it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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01/30/2016 12:40 AM (UTC)
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So WB is actually blaming NRS for the dropping of PC support. http://www.designntrend.com/articles/69199/20160128/mortal-kombat-x-kombat-pack-2-pc-cancellation-netherrealm-warner-bros-email.htm
God, this whole thing has been one big clusterfuck.
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01/30/2016 12:54 AM (UTC)
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Human-Smoke-4-ever Wrote:
So WB is actually blaming NRS for the dropping of PC support.


http://www.designntrend.com/articles/69199/20160128/mortal-kombat-x-kombat-pack-2-pc-cancellation-netherrealm-warner-bros-email.htm


God, this whole thing has been one big clusterfuck.


Followed the link, took me to that site's homepage with no mention of that article. Even searched "Mortal Kombat X" on the site, and that article isn't coming up. Retraction?


*edit* dug a bit more and found it. To say that this article is reaching a bit is putting it mildly. Their only bit of evidence is from a Reddit poster who claims to have spoke with WB customer support. The E-mail in question seems to have been removed, and those commenting after having seen it are either doubtful of its validity, or chalking it up to an unprepared customer service rep.
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01/30/2016 01:11 AM (UTC)
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Damn it, I keep finding shit after I post... E-mail in question.




...misspelled "developer".


...and " satisfied".
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01/30/2016 04:02 AM (UTC)
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Shit's more shady than a shady place. To say that information is suspect is an understatement. Reddit user "BeeGeePi" says that WB Customer Support guy "Bertrand M." says that WB says that NRS made the call to stop PC support.

What's weird is that NRS NEVER supported the PC version. Other developers were contracted for that port. It's weird to say that it's a developers who weren't working on the port to begin with are to blame.

More importantly, it's more than a little weird that a company like WB is blaming one of their own developers. That's not a good business practice and would cause far more harm than good. Say what you will about WB, but they're not dumb. At least when they're not making Green Lantern movies.

This bit of news is definitely interesting, but hardly conclusive, and casts more doubt on itself than it offers answers. Considering that NRS wasn't involved with the Arkham Knight and Shadow of Mordor port situations, the blame still lies with the guys upstairs at WB.
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01/30/2016 12:43 PM (UTC)
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DjangoDrag Wrote:
Shit's more shady than a shady place. To say that information is suspect is an understatement. Reddit user "BeeGeePi" says that WB Customer Support guy "Bertrand M." says that WB says that NRS made the call to stop PC support.

What's weird is that NRS NEVER supported the PC version. Other developers were contracted for that port. It's weird to say that it's a developers who weren't working on the port to begin with are to blame.

More importantly, it's more than a little weird that a company like WB is blaming one of their own developers. That's not a good business practice and would cause far more harm than good. Say what you will about WB, but they're not dumb. At least when they're not making Green Lantern movies.

This bit of news is definitely interesting, but hardly conclusive, and casts more doubt on itself than it offers answers. Considering that NRS wasn't involved with the Arkham Knight and Shadow of Mordor port situations, the blame still lies with the guys upstairs at WB.


Considering the backlash to all of this I knew that the blame game was inevitable. WB really threw NRS under the bus with this though. Boon was made the sacrificial lamb here. Couldn't happen to a nicer asshole though.
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01/30/2016 10:13 PM (UTC)
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This really sucks. I was going to get this game just bcuz of tri-borg and then i read this shit. GG netherrealm. What a way to fuck over an entire platform.
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01/31/2016 02:39 PM (UTC)
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ClassicSmoke Wrote:
This really sucks. I was going to get this game just bcuz of tri-borg and then i read this shit. GG netherrealm. What a way to fuck over an entire platform.


It will be interesting to see what happens with future releases. I think its safe to say that most players will be more reluctant to give WB/NRS their money for Injustice 2 and MK XI.
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01/31/2016 07:23 PM (UTC)
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Human-Smoke-4-ever Wrote:
ClassicSmoke Wrote:
This really sucks. I was going to get this game just bcuz of tri-borg and then i read this shit. GG netherrealm. What a way to fuck over an entire platform.


It will be interesting to see what happens with future releases. I think its safe to say that most players will be more reluctant to give WB/NRS their money for Injustice 2 and MK XI.


I actually don't see that being the case. With WB, buying the primary release of a game has never been a gamble. Buying a port however is a huge risk. Thankfully it's not difficult to find out which is which.

Also, I actually think WB is going to scale back their ports in general, after their problems with Arkham Knight and MKX, among others. Buying ports likely may not even be an option next time around.
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