Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon [in MKX]?
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Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon [in MKX]?
09/02/2014 05:45 PM EDT
The game's story mode will span up to 25 years in the future from the end of MK3. Do you think we will see the aftermath of the Armageddon story arc? Or do you think the apocalyptic event will be avoided in this alternate timeline due to the culling of fighters in the last game? It's going to be really interesting to see how this all plays out.

Personally, I think this is the last MK game as we know it, culminating with a final showdown that shakes everything up. Boon says the big bad is a returning character but I have a feeling he's holding out and The One Being will orchestrate everything. Given the large time period the game takes place over I think it makes a lot of sense. The next MK is going to be the true reboot, renewing almost everything from scratch. I mean it has to be. All the iconic fighters will be too old to enter another tournament.

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RE: Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon?
09/02/2014 05:48 PM EDT
Something tells me there won't even be an Armageddon.
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RE: Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon?
09/02/2014 06:13 PM EDT
I feel they won't want to retread that, Armageddon will be prevented.

I really hope they actually prevent it, I would HATE if they just ignore it and go in a completely different direction though.
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RE: Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon?
09/02/2014 06:21 PM EDT
MK 2011's story was done in a way to make it seem as if Raiden's actions, although leading to very negative consequences, would eventually prevent Armageddon from occurring. However, this is far from the truth as Delia, with her creation of Blaze, is the culprit behind Armageddon. There is also the element of Taven's and Daegon's quest having the purpose of rooting out Quan Chi, the true source of disruption in the realms. In fact, Quan Chi's presence and actions in MK 2011's story played a big part in a lot of bad things that happened such as the revival/healing of Shao Kahn, the resurrection of Sindel, the formation of a Soulnado, convincing Scorpion to go through with killing Bi-Han, etc. As far as we know, Quan Chi is still alive.
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RE: Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon?
09/02/2014 06:23 PM EDT
Hard to say. Hopefully they don't get into that just yet. If it does happen it will probably (and hopefully) will be completely different than in the original time line. I'm hoping Raiden's history changing actions will completely and drastically change the future for the most part. Not saying it will straight up prevent Armageddon from eventually happening but things will obviously not go down the same way they did in the original timeline, which I am fine with.
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RE: Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon?
09/02/2014 06:25 PM EDT
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MK 2011's story was done in a way to make it seem as if Raiden's actions, although leading to very negative consequences, would eventually prevent Armageddon from occurring. However, this is far from the truth as Delia, with her creation of Blaze, is the culprit behind Armageddon. There is also the element of Taven's and Daegon's quest having the purpose of rooting out Quan Chi, the true source of disruption in the realms. In fact, Quan Chi's presence and actions in MK 2011's story played a big part in a lot of bad things that happened such as the revival/healing of Shao Kahn, the resurrection of Sindel, the formation of a Soulnado, convincing Scorpion to go through with killing Bi-Han, etc. As far as we know, Quan Chi is still alive.

Having Quan Chi do all that shit was so forced. That was my biggest problem with MK9's story, everything else I liked.
But I think Onaga and Blaze will have some sort of influence on the story. I don't think NRS would just scrap all of that, but from what they've said it won't be MK4-Deception's story recap which is perfectly fine. I'd like to see Onaga and Blaze back in some sort of fashion.
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RE: Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon?
09/02/2014 06:26 PM EDT
I'm pretty sure the whole point of MK9 was to prevent Armageddon. Even though only a portion was prevented, there still leaves Onaga and Blaze. Not really sure if that will be a factor in this timeline..


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RE: Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon?
09/02/2014 06:27 PM EDT
Delia predicted that the realms would crumble because there were too many warriors with too much power colliding, right?

Well... alot of them are dead now. So problem solved?
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RE: Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon?
09/02/2014 06:33 PM EDT
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Delia predicted that the realms would crumble because there were too many warriors with too much power colliding, right?

Well... alot of them are dead now. So problem solved?


But then again, nobody ever stays dead in MK.

Unless you're Hsu Hao.


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RE: Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon?
09/02/2014 06:34 PM EDT
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Delia predicted that the realms would crumble because there were too many warriors with too much power colliding, right?

Well... alot of them are dead now. So problem solved?


But then again, nobody ever stays dead in MK.

Unless you're Hsu Hao.


I dare say that Hsu Hao never even existed in the new timeline.
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RE: Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon?
09/02/2014 06:50 PM EDT
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Something tells me there won't even be an Armageddon.


Probably not wrong on that one.

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RE: Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon?
09/02/2014 07:19 PM EDT
I just hope there will not be any Delia, Argus, Taven and Daegon in this timeline. Retcon it immediately out of existence.





Retcons can work and are necessary in some cases, like how Warhammer 40K retconned space dwarves out of existence because they were a stupid remnant of the fantasy in space era some 20 years ago. Or how chaos cults could operate on Earth where the Emperor was interred. Yes, chaos cults beyond the sight of a billion strong inquisitorial force.





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RE: Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon?
09/02/2014 07:43 PM EDT
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I just hope there will not be any Delia, Argus, Taven and Daegon in this timeline. Retcon it immediately out of existence.







Agreed. Get rid of those bitches.

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RE: Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon?
09/02/2014 07:47 PM EDT
I liked those four characters... Daegon the least, Taven the most with Delia and Argus being runner ups. However, I'd like for just Taven to turn up in MKX, just to confirm the whole Armageddon story in this timeline.
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RE: Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon?
09/02/2014 08:22 PM EDT
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I liked those four characters... Daegon the least, Taven the most with Delia and Argus being runner ups. However, I'd like for just Taven to turn up in MKX, just to confirm the whole Armageddon story in this timeline.


Eh, those guys had the misfortune of being shoved down our throats as pivotal plot points in a cash grab of a game(burn in hell midway). Most of mk's underutilized characters deserve a second chance, and I wouldn't mind them being reintroduced and repurposed at some point down the line, but the entire half baked Armageddon storyline should stay in the past.

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RE: Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon?
09/02/2014 08:26 PM EDT
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
I liked those four characters... Daegon the least, Taven the most with Delia and Argus being runner ups. However, I'd like for just Taven to turn up in MKX, just to confirm the whole Armageddon story in this timeline.


Eh, those guys had the misfortune of being shoved down our throats as pivotal plot points in a cash grab of a game(burn in hell midway). Most of mk's underutilized characters deserve a second chance, and I wouldn't mind them being reintroduced and repurposed at some point down the line, but the entire half baked Armageddon storyline should stay in the past.


That is true, that is true...

I just have this idea of Taven having these fiery dragon powers and maybe even be able to use Orin (the gold dragon) as a summonable beast...

Yeah... I'd love that...
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RE: Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon?
09/02/2014 08:29 PM EDT
Chrome Wrote:
I just hope there will not be any Delia, Argus, Taven and Daegon in this timeline. Retcon it immediately out of existence.

Like it or not - they do exist in they new timeline, since the whole MKA thing was of their creation. Now, of course, nobody keeps NRS obligated to mention them in the new timeline, but I think, like with some of ther post-MK3 characters, they will be indirectly mentioned in some endings, bioses and the like. As for the main question of topic: unlikely. MKA was prevented and that's it. Since MKX will not be retreat of the MKDA-MKA, there is no reason to expect MKA events to appear in the story.
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RE: Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon?
09/02/2014 08:38 PM EDT
Delia or Argus would be cool. The hell with Taven and Daegon!
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RE: Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon?
09/02/2014 08:41 PM EDT
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Like it or not - they do exist in they new timeline, since the whole MKA thing was of their creation.


Do you have any proof to back up that statement?

We have seen NRS change and recon whatever they want, which obviously shows that the old timeline and the new timeline are not the same.

Raiden didn't send a message back to his former self in the same timeline. If he did, the things we know from the original three first games would be the same in MK9 - alas, they are not.

We can easily conclude from the information we know that the Raiden who got the message is a Raiden from a different timeline.

The events in the original timeline considering Taven, Daegon, Argus and Delia might never have happened in the new timeline. Perhaps there actually aren't going to be an Armageddon in the new timeline, even if the Raiden of the new timeline hadn't gotten the message.

This is all speculation though, however, it is enough to question this "fact" of yours. There have been no confirmation of the Argus family and Armageddon actually being a thing in the new timeline. Only that the Raiden of the new timeline suddenly got a vision from the Raiden of the old timeline which depicts his memories.
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RE: Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon?
09/02/2014 09:50 PM EDT
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Do you have any proof to back up that statement?

Argus is mentioned by name in Rain's ending. So there is your proof.
Rain's story is the same as in MKA, BTW.

So, at least Argus does exist in the New Timeline.

Kano is a member of Black Dragon, which is an offshoot of the Red Dragon created by Daegon.

As for the others - the golden rule of the canon says:
Unless things are denied - they are canon.
No amount of semantics, tesaurus raping, sophisms, personal preferences and other scary words will be able to twist that.

Existence of Taven, Daegon and Delia was not explictly denied. And while, understandably, right now they are somewhat in the air, Rain's ending coupled with the fact that NRS aknowledges post-MK3 characters and some of the plots from that era, makes it more than likely, that they will pop somewhere in the future, one way or the other. Most likely as Easter Eggs or references in some endings and bioses.
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RE: Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon?
09/02/2014 10:32 PM EDT
RedSumac Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Do you have any proof to back up that statement?

Argus is mentioned by name in Rain's ending. So there is your proof.
Rain's story is the same as in MKA, BTW.

So, at least Argus does exist in the New Timeline.

Kano is a member of Black Dragon, which is an offshoot of the Red Dragon created by Daegon.

As for the others - the golden rule of the canon says:
Unless things are denied - they are canon.
No amount of semantics, tesaurus raping, sophisms, personal preferences and other scary words will be able to twist that.

Existence of Taven, Daegon and Delia was not explictly denied. And while, understandably, right now they are somewhat in the air, Rain's ending coupled with the fact that NRS aknowledges post-MK3 characters and some of the plots from that era, makes it more than likely, that they will pop somewhere in the future, one way or the other. Most likely as Easter Eggs or references in some endings and bioses.


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RE: Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon?
09/03/2014 05:34 AM EDT
Darkhound74 Wrote:
I'm pretty sure the whole point of MK9 was to prevent Armageddon. Even though only a portion was prevented, there still leaves Onaga and Blaze.

Not really sure if that will be a factor in this timeline..


Well yes, the point of the story was to prevent Armageddon, but the way it came together did not properly solve the issue. Raiden thought that by allowing Shao Kahn to come to Earth that he would be destroyed by the Elder Gods, therefore preventing Armageddon. That is FAR from the case and one of the reasons why I dubbed him "The God of Blunder". The Elder Gods are kind of guilty as they did not give some big punishment to Shao Kahn post-MK3. They could have at least taken away his godhood or something.

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Delia predicted that the realms would crumble because there were too many warriors with too much power colliding, right?

Well... alot of them are dead now. So problem solved?


There are still a lot of super-powered warriors plus there's the menace that is Quan Chi.
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RE: Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon?
09/05/2014 02:53 AM EDT
i would not mind this switch out at all lol
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RE: Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon [in MKX]?
09/27/2014 11:26 PM EDT
I don't see it as the end of MK, but however I think things have changed permanently in the MK universe. Mortal Kombat X goes up to 25 years, the original timeline from MK 1 to Armageddon takes place over a period of 10 years.

Given that now we have a new generation of fighters like D'Vorah, Kotal Kahn, Cassie Cage and Ferra/Torr, Armageddon either does not happen or is delayed for a long time. I'm hoping to see the One Being return as I thought it would return for the sequel to Deception.
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RE: Will we see the aftermath of Armageddon [in MKX]?
09/27/2014 11:57 PM EDT
Maybe im wrong. But it seemed to me that Raiden's actions in MK9 prevented Shao Kahn from winning armageddon but did not actually prevent the event itself from happening.
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