Maybe so but not in all cases. Especially Mortal Kombat

sheeva

LOL

I say Sheeva.

No offence or anything, but instead of criticising someone for their post and trying to be funny, why not advise them on how to make a better post?

Anywayz, to Sharpeye, you made a few errors in that post. Mileena isn't a Shokotan (I think you meant Shokan, which is what Sheeva/Goro/Kintaro are), but she is Tarkatan (well... kind of). Also, your spelling is a little off. I am not sure why, but people on this site are a little tough with spelling. I know you understand it, and I would assume others do as well (if they laugh at it, they must have gotten the basic gist of it anywayz), but people here like to make jokes with "no0bs" who dont spell very well.

And I say Sheeva.

Damn, you're too nice.

For years I thought that Kitana was the female with the highest fighting skills and experience. I thought she could beat most of the characters of MK. I have no problem seeing Kitana defeat Sonya, Sheeva, Tanya, Frost.... She has been Shao Kahn's personal assassin for 10,000 years, meaning she must be something big. Lately I realized how powerful Sindel was because of her powers. Remove her powers and she can be beaten by many, but with her scream, flight, fireballs and fighting prowess I can easily see her in the top 10 best characters of MK. After all, she was Shao Kahn's Queen, she must have been given humongous powers.

Strongest Woman: Queen Sindel



Amen.

Sonya
Kitana
Sindel easily these three are the strongest overall in the MK series, they've dealt with a lot of shit.

I think there are many sorts of strengths, the females generally perceived as the strongest are Sonya, Kitana and Mileena though. But here goes my list:

*Physically*

Im guessing Sheeva is easily the strongest in this aspect. More muscle and brute force then the rest of the girls. She could lift them all up and play with them.

Next would be Nitara, being a vampire must give her some sort of extra power.

*Spiritually/Willpower*

Sonya Blade. You just get that feeling this tough chick will never give up. She would cross all sorts of hell just to free her friends without even thinking or caring about getting killed in the process. She has incredible potential for good.

*Experience/Powers*

Hmmm, this could vary since characters have very distinct and effective special powers. But for overall experience, I say Sindel. Oldest of the chicks, and still very young and active.

*Speed*

Probably the three ninja females: Mileena, Kitana, Jade and Tanya. Loads of speed. They give you that feeling that they are very fast and sneaky.

Okay, fair enough. Then just for fun, I'll offer my thoughts within context...

Strength- Mileena
According to Rain's Armageddon bio, Edenians are naturally strong people due to being decended from gods. That...plus being part Tarkatan, who are also naturally tough and strong people.

Skills- Kitana or Jade
At her peak, I would say Kitana was the best pure fighter. One of Shao Kahn's elite asassins with thousands of years experience fighting Tarkata, Shokan, Vampires and whatever other freaks live in Outworld and comes across as more disciplined. However, recently she seems to have put more effort into leadership and diplomacy than her fighting skills so Jade might have the edge over her now.

Endurance- Sareena
After Mythologies, Sareena was banished to the 5th Plane of the Netherealm to be tortured as punishment. She remained there until shortly before MK:DA when she finally escaped. That's about ten years or more of horrible torture in the worst part of the Netherealm. And Sareena endured it and survived.

Leadership ability- Kitana
Personally led Edenia's armies to war with much success. She's also been established as a good diplomat.

Powers- Sindel
By default if nothing else, because she seems to be the only one with actual powers. Everyone else just seems to have generic fireballs and teleportation moves. Maybe Ashrah.

Cunning- Nitara
As seen in MK:DA, Nitara is a pretty crafty and sneaky character. Tanya is another candidate, but I don't think we've seen what she's fully capable of yet.

Actually, I think it has been confirmed more than once that Jade is a stronger fighter than Kitana...

-In Deception, Jade defeated Kitana and then locked her in a prison cell.

-In Sindel's ending, Kitana was ordered to attack Jade and Sindel, and Jade successfully held her off.

I think this proves that Jade is a stronger, more proficient fighter than Kitana.

Physically:
Sheeva

In mind:
Kitana

In beauty ():
Kira, Sonya

in power:
Sindel

Few things...

- Jade didn't defeat Kitana and lock her in a cell. She was fighting Kitana and managed to throw her into a cell. There's a difference.

- Once again, Jade didn't defeat Kitana in Sindel's ending....she was holding her off. There's a difference.

- There's the possibility being under mind control hindered her abiliites. Same can be said why Ermac was able to easily fight off the five heroes at once in his ending.

- And finally, if you noticed, I said at her peak Kitana was better but recently she seems to have been putting more effort in her leadership duties than her fighting skills.

Well, Jade got what she wanted by taking the lead the battle. If Kitana were stronger, Jade would not have been successful.


That's what I said. She held her off. It still shows, for the second time, that Kitana can't overpower her in combat.


You mean to say that Ermac was under mind control, but now that he's free he's more powerful, right? I don't think that's true because his enormous strength was already established back in MKT. In his ending, even Shao Kahn was not a match for him. He overwhelmed and destroyed Kahn.

I don't think Kitana's fighting skills were hindered while being under mind control. I'm sure Onaga used her because he knew she was a strong warrior. What good would a weakened Kitana do for him really?

And what if the fight kept going? What if Jade and Kitana finished their fight instead of Jade locking her up and retreating? What if Sindel didn't stop Onaga and Jade & Kitana finished that fight?

All it proves is that Jade is a match for Kitana. Nothing more.



Actually I was referring to the five heroes' skills being hindered because they were under mind control.
And the ending don't mean shit. Almost everyone beat Kahn in their ending.

You're not making a good point by using "What if" conjectures. Also, how do you know that the battles between them didn't last for a long time? How do you know Kitana didn't have a long time and enough chance to beat her?

Either way, Jade is clearly a more adept fighter and I think you're in denial about that simply because Kitana is your favorite.


There has never been any indication that characters' fighting skills become hindered when they're under mind control. I really think you're just using this as an excuse to make it seem like "it wasn't fair" that Jade overpowered Kitana twice. Characters have been under mind control throughout the entire series, and it's never been even hinted that they become weakened in that state, so I think it's fair to say that you're wrong.

Still, Ermac's strength was established back then. Not everyone beat Kahn because they were "overwhelmingly powerful." His established strength has been carried over into Deception, so it's obvious that that's the reason he was able to fight the 5 heroes, not because they were weakened. Did his ending say they were weakened? No, it said he was more than a match for them.

Again, how useful would it be for Onaga to have super fighters under his control if they're fighting skills are just gonna be retarded?

I do believe Jade seems to be a more adept fighter then Kitana and that she proved that with her encounters with the princess, but I guess Kitana could also defeat Jade, but maybe that will be in another occasion if the two ever fight again.

As for Ermac defeating all the heroes discussion, I don’t think their powers were reduced, nor do I believe he was able to defeat them all alone. Liu Kang plays a major role in that ending, and Im guessing that Ermac made the best use of his powers and as he kicked someone out of the way and was ready to face whoever was next to charge at him, Liu Kang started to free the one that was kicked away from the group (as it states in the ending, while Ermac occupied some Liu Kang was freeing the rest).

And maybe, since his spiritual form does seem to be able to make solid contact, Im guessing Liu Kang could had also kicked some of his friends here and there to help Ermac.

Ermac wouldn’t had been able to do it all by himself. I do believe he is truly powerful, extremely (and it really suits his character, I have always thought of him as the best of the “rainbow clan”), but not powerful enough to defeat 5 slaved heroes single-handedly. If Liu Kang hadn’t been there to free them, he could had never defeated them all. He was strong enough to face them and take them all, but not to actually defeat them alone.

Do you even understand what point I'm trying to make?



I don't. And if the fights lasted a long time, it would only further prove that Kitana and Jade are, at the least, evenly matched.



No, it's not clear...which is my point. Beyond that is specualtion. If you want to believe Jade is the better fighter, whoopti-fucking-doo for you. Maybe Jade has edged out Kitana now...as I mentioned in my post. But you're insistence that it's been proven for a fact is wrong.

And I hope the irony of your accusation that I'm only pushing for Kitana because she happens to be my favorite isn't lost on you....because it isn't lost on me.
Suddenly, I'm reminded why I initially wanted to disregard this thread with my first post...

Queve, it said in Ermac's ending... "He was more than a match for the 5 warriors." I'm not trying to say that what you said in your last post is wrong, but imo, I think that statement means he is capable of defeating them all single handedly.

Xia, it's not worth continuing this discussion with you since you're completely biased and it angers you to hear that Jade is stronger than Kitana. If Kitana were really stronger, wouldn't she have gotten the upper hand in at least ONE of her confrontations with Jade?

Also, "However, recently Kitana seems to have put more effort into leadership and diplomacy than her fighting skills so Jade might have the edge over her now" is only your assumption (and maybe your little soft way of admitting Jade is stronger) so I don't understand why you keep trying to shove it down my throat. If it's not even hinted at in the game, how can you believe it as fact?



For an "aspiring writer," you really need to express your thoughts more clearly instead of slapping them in text, assuming (once again) that everyone will understand you.

You said "What if the fights continued?" implying they didn't last long enough or they didn't give Kitana enough of a chance.

I would have to say either Tanya or Jade.

And once again, the point of this discussion is lost on you. You seem to be under the impression that I refuse to acknowledge Jade's abilities. I stated that it was my personal belief that Kitana was a superior fighter. You stated that my belief was wrong due to their fights in Deception. I simply pointed out those fights were inconclussive and neither prove nor disprove my belief on the situation.

You seem to be under the impression that I'm trying to prove that Jade is in some way inferior. It's not the suggestion that Jade may be stronger that angers me. I'm not angry at all. If anything irks me, it's you and your inability to grasp the point I was trying to make. That and your constant assumption that everyone is as shallow and small-minded as you.



It is an assumption and I base on the fact that recent games have put emphasis on Kitana's role as a leader of Edenia and the mention that she did not complete her training with Bo' Rai Cho. Is it a definite fact? No. But is it definitely not a fact? No.

It's really no more of an assumption than your insistance that Kitana is fragile and delicate because of how (you think)she looks in certain pictures.



Maybe if you actually read my posts carefully you would't get lost. No one else seems to have a had a problem with my posts in the past.



I don't think the fights lasted long. In their first encounter, I think Jade would've made it her business to immoblize Kitana as fast as possible...hence throwing her into a cell. And I think Sindel would've made it her business to finish off Onaga as fast as possible...seeing as Onaga was standing right there.
However, maybe the fights did last a while. They didn't really go into much detail over how the fights went down.

Which brings me back to the point I've been making: the fights in Deception do not prove for certain that Kitana is a better or worse fighter than Jade nor does it prove for certain that Jade is a better or worse fighter.

Since you cannot grasp my posts, I'll repeat it again, plain and simple:
the fights in Deception don't prove who the better fighter is. They were inconclussive.

Kitana because she has the strength to win my heart. Awwwwww.

It's not really an assumtion. Tons of people see Kitana the way I do: an archetypical princess of flowery beauty. I'm not the only one that has agreed with this, so don't single me out. She's had millions of chances to prove herself as a strong woman from the movies, to the cartoon, to the MK4 endings, MKSM, and MKD Konquest and 90% of the time her personality is always the same thing... soft and flowery. Yeah, she can fight, but her personality is always the same antiquated, weak, boring thing, and you never admit it cuz you care only about her leadership skills and MK2 history. What about the Kitana we see outside of the bios!!?

And I get what you're trying to say about the inconclussive thing, but I don't agree that the fights prove nothing. It was 2 different battles and Kitana didn't get the upper hand in either. And this isn't my sole opinion. This is info from the games themselves. Jade seemed to have little trouble getting around Kitana. And of course she held her off rather than defeat since she wouldn't kill her, knowing she was only brainwashed.

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being Shao Kahns assassin for more than thousand years.... I think that proves a point. Kitana was groomed to kill and raised to lead. Her only de-feat and apparent deathblow came from Quan Chi, who is....let us face it is among those powerhouses like Kahn, Tsung, Onaga, Sub-Zero, Raiden, and presumably Scorpion, Fujin, Shinnok etc..

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Soft and flowerly? Thats not what the MK4 Gold ending told me. Or Kung Laos ending in the same game.... or the fact that she sent MIleena to plummet to her assumed death in MK4Gold. Or the fact that she killed her outright in MK2.

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fighting to capture someone is hell more difficult than fighting to kill. I can easily counterpoint your previous argument.
As much as I dislike the Edenians, Kitana is not the character who fucks around brainlessly.

In my opinion, If Jade and Kitana fought, Kitana would win. Jade would be a stronger and faster warrior, but Kitana would fight defensively and would use counter strikes to gain the advantage. Kitana would know exactly where and when to strike. Kitana seems like the warrior who likes to control the pace of her fights, while Jade seems to rush in with power moves.

And Kitana strikes me as anything BUT flowery and soft little princess. I'm pretty sure Kitana is, right after Sindel, the most to-be-feared femme in MK.

Chrome, First of all, I said... "What about the Kitana we see outside of the bios?" And second of all, you always disagree with me no matter what the subject is, so... yeah. Enough.

YingYeung, I can respect your opinions, but I bet Sindel is not the most to-be-feared female. Why do you think she is?